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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
On December 05 2017 07:24 kollin wrote: The failure of the right-wingers here to respond to the strongest refutations of their arguments kind of underlines the absurdist nightmare that this thread is. Just remember that we started out as being from your country and learned much of what we are from you. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8220 Posts
On December 05 2017 07:21 Sermokala wrote: Someones got to keep the French person talking about Us politics stereotype entertained. Seriously i’m all for diversity of opinion, and I get the rational behind most right wing opinions. But when it comes to those two, i just don’t get it. I mean on top of my head. Lgbt rights? Against it of course! Nazis marching? Freedom of opinion! Torture? All for it! Anti racism? Literally cancer! Assassinating innocent civilians? Yep! Muslims? Complete danger, horrible people! Refugees fleeing war? Fuuuuuuuuck them! Absurd inequalities? Fuck the poor! Healthcare affordable for everyone? Let the poor die, I don’t wanna pay more my premium. Etc etc etc... I really hope that it’s nothing to do with standard US right wingers. Just with those two. There is a point where I stop looking at reasonable divergence of opinions (which i have with, say, standard french right wingers, whose argument i usually completely understand), and just start wondering what kind of people think like that. If you find me a single post by either of them that shows, say, an atom of compassion (considering Danglars volume of contribution, it shouldn’t be difficult), I’m ready to apologize. And compassion is a human virtue, not a liberal opinion. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 05 2017 07:28 Sermokala wrote: Just remember that we started out as being from your country and learned much of what we are from you. They abolished slavery before us, so we pretty much lose that argument forever. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On December 05 2017 07:28 Sermokala wrote: Just remember that we started out as being from your country and learned much of what we are from you. I don't mean it's a failure of the right wing in general - just particular people in this thread. That being said, you're right - maybe the persecution complex the evangelical right has is rooted in their flight from England due to their religion. Ironic how that same evangelical right is too coddled up in fear and hatred to allow present-day refugees the same opportunity that their forebears did. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On December 05 2017 07:34 kollin wrote: I don't mean it's a failure of the right wing in general - just particular people in this thread. That being said, you're right - maybe the persecution complex the evangelical right has is rooted in their flight from England due to their religion. Ironic how that same evangelical right is too coddled up in fear and hatred to allow present-day refugees the same opportunity that their forebears did. a fair number of those that long ago fled was because the area was too tolerant of heretics, not because it wasn't tolerant enough. they weren't seeking religious freedom, they wanted to adopt a mcuh stricter code. and re: biff; they represent a minority of right-wingers, there are quite a few of similar ilk, but far from a majority of the right. the more typical right-wingers are more reasonable (far as I know at least, my calibration is far from perfect as there'es too much crazy for me to follow most of it). | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/woman-shares-new-evidence-of-relationship-with-roy-moore-when-she-was-17/2017/12/04/0c3d1cde-d903-11e7-a841-2066faf731ef_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_debbie-510pm:homepage/story&utm_term=.fa1c085d2f92 | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On December 05 2017 07:32 Nyxisto wrote: Why don't we make this cake thing easy, business owners must carry out every transaction in which the identity of the buyer is irrelevant. i.e if it's doable by a one time payment and you're done there can't be a legal reason to deny it. Then we don't need to argue about what's a protected class is all day That sounds miserable for business owners and employees. Imagine someone constantly passive-aggressively harassing you via their patronage (i.e sexually explicit or violent cake messages) . | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8220 Posts
On December 05 2017 07:37 zlefin wrote: a fair number of those that long ago fled was because the area was too tolerant of heretics, not because it wasn't tolerant enough. they weren't seeking religious freedom, they wanted to adopt a mcuh stricter code. and re: biff; they represent a minority of right-wingers, there are quite a few of similar ilk, but far from a majority of the right. the more typical right-wingers are more reasonable (or at least used to be; due to the large amounts of the right that started going crzay ~1990 my calibration may be off). Seriously it’s good to know because I was started to get freaked out. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 05 2017 07:34 kollin wrote: I don't mean it's a failure of the right wing in general - just particular people in this thread. That being said, you're right - maybe the persecution complex the evangelical right has is rooted in their flight from England due to their religion. Ironic how that same evangelical right is too coddled up in fear and hatred to allow present-day refugees the same opportunity that their forebears did. It is easier to understand if you view them as a cultivated voter base that the GOP has been catering to for +20 years. The culture war in the US has been the GOP bread and butter since the late 1990s. Look at Alabama, a state where 50% of voters say they will never vote for a Democrat in recent polling. They didn’t come to that opinion all on their own. That type of grievance politics is the foundation of the GOP’s base for 20 years. Not free markets. Not management and small government. The grievance of white, Christian voters. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On December 05 2017 07:39 Biff The Understudy wrote: Seriously it’s good to know because I was started to get freaked out. there are several other kinds of problematic crazy of course; especially ever since the 90s when parts of the right started really going cray-cray. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
On December 05 2017 07:29 Plansix wrote: They abolished slavery before us, so we pretty much lose that argument forever. They started the slave trade so no one wins that argument. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 05 2017 07:41 Sermokala wrote: They started the slave trade so no one wins that argument. They also perfected modern Imperialism and made it seem so awesome that other nations tried to do it. Unlike the US. We just murdered all the native people and took their lands when we expended. We all live in glass houses. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On December 05 2017 07:38 Logo wrote: That sounds miserable for business owners and employees. Imagine someone constantly passive-aggressively harassing you via their patronage (i.e sexually explicit or violent cake messages) . That sounds like an obscure edge case because very few products can be customised that way. You could probably include the qualification that the products cannot be demeaning or used for harassment or whatever | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On December 05 2017 07:29 Biff The Understudy wrote: Seriously i’m all for diversity of opinion, and I get the rational behind most right wing opinions. But when it comes to those two, i just don’t get it. I mean on top of my head. Lgbt rights? Against it of course! Nazis marching? Freedom of opinion! Torture? All for it! Anti racism? Literally cancer! Assassinating innocent civilians? Yep! Muslims? Complete danger, horrible people! Absurd inequalities? Fuck the poor! Healthcare affordable for everyone? Let the poor die, I don’t wanna pay more my premium. Etc etc etc... I really hope that it’s nothing to do with standard US right wingers. Just with those two. There is a point where I stop looking at reasonable divergence of opinions (which i have with, say, standard french right wingers, whose argument i usually completely understand), and just start wondering what kind of people think like that. If you find me a single post by either of them that shows, say, an atom of compassion (considering Danglars volume of contribution, it shouldn’t be difficult), I’m ready to apologize. And compassion is a human virtue, not a liberal opinion. Sadly they're fairly standard run of the mill conservatives nowadays. If anything, after reading facebook comments, they are actually less dumb than the average ones, which is quite shocking. The ones you'll find at the voting booths and in facebook comments will shout in your face that Hillary murdered Ben Ghazi for hacking her emails because she sold uranium to the russians. the conservative posters here will just allude to it but won't straight up admit to believing it. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
On December 05 2017 07:34 kollin wrote: I don't mean it's a failure of the right wing in general - just particular people in this thread. That being said, you're right - maybe the persecution complex the evangelical right has is rooted in their flight from England due to their religion. Ironic how that same evangelical right is too coddled up in fear and hatred to allow present-day refugees the same opportunity that their forebears did. And its not like those people came from just the UK with that complex. if you were exiled from your ancestral homes because of your religion you tend to hold onto that religion as your identity harder then other influences on your identity. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On December 05 2017 07:24 kollin wrote: The failure of the right-wingers here to respond to the strongest refutations of their arguments kind of underlines the absurdist nightmare that this thread is. No one has ducked anything. You're living in a fantasy land. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On December 05 2017 07:37 IyMoon wrote: A women who has said she was in a relationship with her when she was 17 and him 30+ has produced some evidence of it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/woman-shares-new-evidence-of-relationship-with-roy-moore-when-she-was-17/2017/12/04/0c3d1cde-d903-11e7-a841-2066faf731ef_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_debbie-510pm:homepage/story&utm_term=.fa1c085d2f92 This is probably the most damning evidence so far. There is a lot more evidence than the single yearbook signature. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22695 Posts
On December 05 2017 06:07 Adreme wrote: Doesn't matter they just needed to get a bill to conference and can fix it there. Why even hold a revote when conference committee can fix it. From what I understand they need to redo the vote in both House and Senate after the conference reconciliation. Failing that they can pass the unmodded House bill in the Senate or visa versa. | ||
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