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KwarK
United States43452 Posts
On November 29 2017 03:56 Danglars wrote: What "prevalence of Nazi ideology in main stream political discourse?" Is Paul Ryan advocating Nazi ideology now? "Very fine people" - The President He's also retweeted neo-Nazi propaganda a few times. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On November 29 2017 03:37 IyMoon wrote: So does this mean we should expect a gov shutdown? Has the gov ever shutdown when a party is in full control of the government? All government shutdowns that I can think of happen when a different party controls the executive and the legislative We've seen that the Republicans have very different factional views on budget priorities. The threat of a uni-party shutdown is definitely a factor to consider. The other one is passing a budget that has tons of Dem priorities and very few Trump and Republican priorities (aka Wall, Obamacare mandate repeal, shrink the size of government). The voters will have their hides for that in addition to not repealing Obamacare in their first year of united party control. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 29 2017 03:56 Danglars wrote: What "prevalence of Nazi ideology in main stream political discourse?" Is Paul Ryan advocating Nazi ideology now? Breitbart exists and Bannon happily worked with Richard Spencer and other white nationalist. Bannon was in the White House and from all reports Trump still takes his calls. Modern White Nationalists are part of the political discourse. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On November 29 2017 03:52 Danglars wrote: I don't see a point making a nonsense post saying "This is all nonsense, again." If it's nonsense, don't participate. It's very hard to separate who were extremists going for statues and who were moderates going for statues when they end up defaced, vandalized, and shrouded. Are you a clairvoyant? I'm not. that you can't see the very obvious point doesn't count for anything. Encouraging people to stop the nonsense is an entirely sensible course of action. the statue point you're making is so nonsensical that I'm ignoring it, and only putting this sentence to denote that I indeed read it. if it's turned into something resembling a more coherent argument, then there might be something to respond to. | ||
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KwarK
United States43452 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/23/04/2EB78B4000000578-3329934-image-m-46_1448254316150.jpg) Retweeted from this guy ![[image loading]](http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/img/charles/2015/11/22/LGF1827.jpg) Incidentally the source, "Crime Statistics Bureau in San Francisco", is fictional. This is nothing more than propaganda. The President is publishing neo-Nazi propaganda. That is a factually accurate statement. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
This CFPB stuff is just weird. I'm all for it staying in the news and getting more attention for its oversight and operation. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On November 29 2017 04:10 Plansix wrote: That agency is too independent for my taste. But modern banks are so deeply stupid and their culture is one that rewards terrible decisions for quarterly gain. I don’t trust Republicans to regulate the finance industry, considering they want to go right back to pre-2007 levels of regulation and zero criminal prosecution for white collar crimes. They should move its funding to being done by a panel of 3 Republicans and 3 Democrats, rather than all of congress. Too independent for my taste. There's just as much corruption possible with the head naming their own successor, than with ordinary political appointments. Might as well make the title hereditary imo. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 29 2017 04:04 KwarK wrote: Retweeted from this guy Incidentally the source, "Crime Statistics Bureau in San Francisco", is fictional. This is nothing more than propaganda. The President is publishing neo-Nazi propaganda. That is a factually accurate statement. I think a critical part about these re-tweets is that Trump also believes this stuff. He might be one of the most conformation bias prone politicians I have ever seen. He does not question tweets like the one above and will not listen to anyone who tells him that the information is false. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8231 Posts
On November 29 2017 04:12 Plansix wrote: I think a critical part about these re-tweets is that Trump also believes this stuff. He might be one of the most conformation bias prone politicians I have ever seen. He does not question tweets like the one above and will not listen to anyone who tells him that the information is false. I mean you only have to understand basic level math to figure out that something is off here | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 29 2017 04:12 Danglars wrote: Too independent for my taste. There's just as much corruption possible with the head naming their own successor, than with ordinary political appointments. Might as well make the title hereditary imo. It is temporary. The president still gets to name a new director, which can go through the senate. That is the one part I agree with. The acting director should be appointed by the previous director until the president and congress can do their thing. It keeps regulation and enforcement on track and doesn't derail justice for people who are seeking relief through the agency. I think the FBI and Justice department should work the same way and shield from the politics of the moment. It’s the budget that mostly bothers me. I think congress should have some input into that, if a bit shielded from the prevailing political winds of that day. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14073 Posts
On November 29 2017 03:59 Plansix wrote: I have seen little evidence that the alt right is a smaller group that the mythical antifa. Considering both are an unknowable number of people on the fringe of the political spectrum, I don't think anyone can claim one is more relevant that the other. I will agree that antifa is way better at trolling on twitter. They have that skill on lock. But the Alt right have Reddit down better then sanders ever had reddit down. I literally was going to post things that Kwark did in the last two pages but I was reading the thread for the past hour. Police departments in towns usually troll the nazies pretty well in the past with almost all minority security for the events. I mean theres a level of incompetence when you can make perfectly legitimate looking propaganda when you're the literal head of state and when you decide not to and instead just take something from an source you don't bother to have checked and can be instantly found to be false. Not even dictators were this bad. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On November 29 2017 04:15 Excludos wrote: I mean you only have to understand basic level math to figure out that something is off here I have spend the last couple of minutes trying to figure out how it's supposed to be read... I think it's (supposed to be, we all know it's fake) two or three different sets of data. As in: Blacks killed by Whites - 2% Blacks killed by Blacks - 97% and the remaining 1% makes up for everything else that's neither black nor white as a killer. So you come to 100% Whites killed by Whites and Whites killed by Blacks comes to a total of 97% so you have another 3% for everything else combined (idk, Asians etc?) And Killed by Police is supposed to be yet another completly different set of data because there are black and white and asian police officers. So those aren't supposed to overlap...? Why am I even trying to understand nazi propaganda | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On November 29 2017 03:41 Plansix wrote: Trump’s master plan of saying you don’t plan on making a deal is a good way to get a meeting about cutting a deal canceled. Trump is going to find out that hard way that the party in power gets blamed for government shut downs. Idk uh lets not cheer for the shutdown just because of political gain there's a whole lot of scientific progress (and lab animals) that suffer heavily during these things  . | ||
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KwarK
United States43452 Posts
On November 29 2017 04:24 Toadesstern wrote: Why am I even trying to understand nazi propaganda Because the President of the United States is sending it to his followers. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 29 2017 04:24 Logo wrote: Idk uh lets not cheer for the shutdown just because of political gain there's a whole lot of scientific progress (and lab animals) that suffer heavily during these things .Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want it. It is bad for everyone. My brother works for the federal government. The last shut down was not fun at all. Mortgage payments were nearly missed before they put him back to work. And the Obama administration was far more capable that the clown show in the oval office this time around. But Trump embodies the political desire to touch the stove and people voting for that. This is a guy who said that the US should default of its debt if they couldn’t get a better deal. I hate finance and math in general, but I know national default is apocalyptic. I am prepared for the worst. On November 29 2017 04:18 Sermokala wrote: But the Alt right have Reddit down better then sanders ever had reddit down. I literally was going to post things that Kwark did in the last two pages but I was reading the thread for the past hour. Police departments in towns usually troll the nazies pretty well in the past with almost all minority security for the events. I mean theres a level of incompetence when you can make perfectly legitimate looking propaganda when you're the literal head of state and when you decide not to and instead just take something from an source you don't bother to have checked and can be instantly found to be false. Not even dictators were this bad. Hitler wrote his own book. And you can tell because its terrible. Trump just retweets racist memes. | ||
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KwarK
United States43452 Posts
On November 29 2017 04:30 Plansix wrote: Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want it. It is bad for everyone. My brother works for the federal government. The last shut down was not fun at all. Mortgage payments were nearly missed before they put him back to work. And the Obama administration was far more capable that the clown show in the oval office this time around. But Trump embodies the political desire to touch the stove and people voting for that. This is a guy who said that the US should default of its debt if they couldn’t get a better deal. I hate finance and math in general, but I know national default is apocalyptic. I am prepared for the worst. He also said that he'd pay back the full $20t national debt in 8 years. When pressed on how he'd achieve that one of these advisers gave the amazing reply of selling all of the national parks and other Federal land to China in settlement of the debt. I guess we're lucky he didn't think to try to sell Alaska back to Russia. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On November 29 2017 04:35 Seuss wrote: We could sell Alaska to Canada. The Civ/Stellaris player in me is perpetually bothered by how it isn't connected with the rest of the country. Well, I'm glad that was the option you went for then. | ||
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