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{CC}StealthBlue
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On November 21 2017 08:49 a_flayer wrote: I've heard it described as being part of flawed/overzealous SJW culture. Boys and girls are held to the same standards in high school. So when boys (who are naturally more rowdy/aggressive) display traits that are natural to them, they're quickly labeled as having ADHD because clearly there must be something wrong with them, right? I'm not a fan of medicating children for being "rowdy/aggressive" but I don't really understand how it's any more "natural" for boys than girls. Unless you mean it's culturally indoctrinated, but in that case I think the solution would seem to me to be promote role models for boys that aren't rowdy/aggressive (gimme Sherlock Holmes and the Hardy Boys any day of the week, especially if you want to promote male reading). I mean, sure, there might (?) be some hormonal changes/differences especially with hitting puberty later, but I don't think those change behavior to levels teachers are having to intervene on at a high school level. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On November 21 2017 07:12 Stratos_speAr wrote: ... we have too many STEM degrees being churned out for not enough jobs nowadays. ... Is this true as a general statement? STEM is a pretty broad class, there are probably some subfields where there aren't enough jobs to go around. For instance it wouldn't surprise me if theoretical physics was such a field. But is it generally true for STEM as a whole? | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On November 21 2017 08:14 Danglars wrote: To the extent that wild labels should prompt reactive disbelief, sure, an actual "war on boys" isn't useful to start out looking why they do worse in elementary and secondary education. When you look at the topics in isolation, like overprescription of ADHD drugs, or reactions to typical young male behavior like engaging in mock fights and finger pistols, or recess time alotted, or reading books shown, I think you can make the case that there's a lot of harm being done. Especially in today's era where everybody has heightened awareness of little things having big effects. Seems interesting that when the right uses an arbitrary (and patently ridiculous) label, you try to parse out the nuanced meaning of it, whereas whenever the left does it, you slam it as gross generalizations, identity politics, etc. etc. Is this true as a general statement? STEM is a pretty broad class, there are probably some subfields where there aren't enough jobs to go around. For instance it wouldn't surprise me if theoretical physics was such a field. But is it generally true for STEM as a whole? No. It's much more complicated. https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2015/article/stem-crisis-or-stem-surplus-yes-and-yes.htm STEM is such a broad category that you can't really talk about it as a single entity. There are a surplus of Ph.D's in most science fields, but a lack of them in certain areas of the private sector. Conversely, there's a high need for bachelor's level STEM education in fields like software development, but much less needs in other areas of science/math. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On November 21 2017 09:56 Aquanim wrote: Is this true as a general statement? STEM is a pretty broad class, there are probably some subfields where there aren't enough jobs to go around. For instance it wouldn't surprise me if theoretical physics was such a field. But is it generally true for STEM as a whole? Beyond engineering, in the US, definitely. Not enough R&D jobs for all science degree holders, for example, nor enough career options besides. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16755 Posts
wage theft is rampant in Ontario and it occurred at all 3 of my employers... the worst was Fedex-Kinkos ( a US company ) it appears wage theft is a massive problem in the USA as well as the province of Ontario. https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/7ebdyu/billions_of_dollars_stolen_every_year_in_the_us/?st=ja8x4xjf&sh=cb78f5fc On November 21 2017 09:45 TheTenthDoc wrote: I'm not a fan of medicating children for being "rowdy/aggressive" but I don't really understand how it's any more "natural" for boys than girls. Unless you mean it's culturally indoctrinated, but in that case I think the solution would seem to me to be promote role models for boys that aren't rowdy/aggressive (gimme Sherlock Holmes and the Hardy Boys any day of the week, especially if you want to promote male reading). I mean, sure, there might (?) be some hormonal changes/differences especially with hitting puberty later, but I don't think those change behavior to levels teachers are having to intervene on at a high school level. increasing testosterone in any human makes them more violent... not less. boys have more testosterone than girls. all people should be judged equally before the law, however, let us not be foolish enough to somehow claim boys and girls are identical and their only differences are socialization.. .cause that just ain't true. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21772 Posts
On November 21 2017 10:33 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: This is why I constantly say in order for this country to become a modern one, Religion will have to be substantially weakened in everyday life. https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/932579767202844672 Not sure if I take CNN's idea of a Trump voter seriously. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On November 21 2017 10:33 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: This is why I constantly say in order for this country to become a modern one, Religion will have to be substantially weakened in everyday life. https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/932579767202844672 without religion, people still find plenty of ways to be stupid. also not seeing how that odd quote pertains to religion being a problem rather than stupidity in general. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On November 21 2017 10:39 zlefin wrote: without religion, people still find plenty of ways to be stupid. also not seeing how that odd quote pertains to religion being a problem rather than stupidity in general. Majority of evangelicals are stirring tribalism in the country through politics some even comparing Moore to Christ's persecution. Put this in the latter pile. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On November 21 2017 09:57 Stratos_speAr wrote: Seems interesting that when the right uses an arbitrary (and patently ridiculous) label, you try to parse out the nuanced meaning of it, whereas whenever the left does it, you slam it as gross generalizations, identity politics, etc. etc. No. It's much more complicated. https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2015/article/stem-crisis-or-stem-surplus-yes-and-yes.htm STEM is such a broad category that you can't really talk about it as a single entity. There are a surplus of Ph.D's in most science fields, but a lack of them in certain areas of the private sector. Conversely, there's a high need for bachelor's level STEM education in fields like software development, but much less needs in other areas of science/math. "War on boys" isn't some generic right term. It's a culture term. It cuts across both political camps. Now if you think the academic success and social development of our youngsters is a politically charged topic, I pity you. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On November 21 2017 10:33 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: This is why I constantly say in order for this country to become a modern one, Religion will have to be substantially weakened in everyday life. https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/932579767202844672 That's your evidence for your argument? A CNN panel? | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On November 21 2017 05:13 xDaunt wrote: Exactly. The root problem is the financial illiteracy of too many Americans. Let's just put the lotto aside for a moment. These are the same people that don't hesitate to drop $5 for a frappucino from Starbucks instead of brewing their own coffee at home. And don't even get me started on the vacations that they take or the money that they blow on other frivolous shit. The worst part is that these poor financial habits carry on from generation to generation. We're two or three generations into an expanding class of financial invalids who have no concept of how to properly manage money. Fuck music and arts classes in high school. We need to start teaching our kids what a credit score is and why it's important. Be careful what you wish for. The American economy runs on consumption of frivolous shit. Further, with more financial literacy comes more class-consciousness. Do you think people will be happy with low wages when they can't numb the scenes of their slow deaths with $5 sugar and caffeine bombs? On November 21 2017 07:37 Plansix wrote: You are asking the wrong question. What traits did you have that made PagerU want to target you? Because they paid to have those ads served to specific demographics. Conservatives have been leaning into the video game space since 2014. The idea that schools are against them and girls have an unfair advantage because they are girls has some allure for those who think beating Dark Souls is the most challenging task in human creation. Pretty perceptive, P6. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 21 2017 10:46 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/932786893829410816 Like they are literally extorting money from the US government after a crisis, on the week of thanksgiving. I've worked for some very shitty banks and none of them have ever been this cartoonish. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7339 Posts
On November 21 2017 10:33 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: This is why I constantly say in order for this country to become a modern one, Religion will have to be substantially weakened in everyday life. https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/932579767202844672 This man and his words make me feel upset for their sheer asininity. "Its good to be rich!" "I hate them there elites looking down on us" "He keeps winning" I mean what. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On November 21 2017 10:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote: here is why i proudly ripped off every retail employer i ever worked for as a teenager. wage theft is rampant in Ontario and it occurred at all 3 of my employers... the worst was Fedex-Kinkos ( a US company ) it appears wage theft is a massive problem in the USA as well as the province of Ontario. https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/7ebdyu/billions_of_dollars_stolen_every_year_in_the_us/?st=ja8x4xjf&sh=cb78f5fc increasing testosterone in any human makes them more violent... not less. boys have more testosterone than girls. all people should be judged equally before the law, however, let us not be foolish enough to somehow claim boys and girls are identical and their only differences are socialization.. .cause that just ain't true. Thinking about it I didn't really mean to say boys and girls are identical and their only differences are socialization. Just that some normalization of disruptive rowdiness as tolerable because males have hormones making them more aggressive is silly, because there's still a considerable social element that makes them say "these hormones make me want to be combative with the teacher/fist fight my peers so let's go" rather than say "hey I feel really pissed off right now and want to punch something/whatever, but that's not a cool thing to do" | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 21 2017 11:01 IgnE wrote: Be careful what you wish for. The American economy runs on consumption of frivolous shit. Further, with more financial literacy comes more class-consciousness. Do you think people will be happy with low wages when they can't numb the scenes of their slow deaths with $5 sugar and caffeine bombs? I'd rather empower individuals than continue to bear the social and economic costs of their ongoing stupidity. My bet is that class-consciousness would be less of a problem if the lower classes were suddenly given the tools that they need to improve their lots in life. | ||
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