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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 18 2017 20:17 GMT
#180421
President Trump, in a personal phone call to a grieving military father, offered him $25,000 and said he would direct his staff to establish an online fundraiser for the family, but neither happened, the father said.

Chris Baldridge, the father of Army Cpl. Dillon Baldridge, told The Washington Post that Trump called him at his home in Zebulon, N.C., a few weeks after his 22-year-old son and two fellow soldiers were gunned down by an Afghan police officer in a suspected insider attack June 10. Their phone conversation lasted about 15 minutes, Baldridge said, and centered for a time on the father’s struggle with the manner in which his son was killed.

“I said, ‘Me and my wife would rather our son died in trench warfare,’ “ Baldridge said. “I feel like he got murdered over there.”

Trump’s offer of $25,000 adds another dimension to the president’s relations with Gold Star families, an honorific given to those whose loved ones die while serving in support of the nation’s wars. The disclosure follows questions about how often the president has called or written to grieving military families.

The Washington Post contacted the White House about Baldridge’s account on Wednesday morning. Officials declined to discuss the events in detail.

But White House spokeswoman Lindsay Walters said in a statement Wednesday afternoon, “The check has been sent. It’s disgusting that the media is taking something that should be recognized as a generous and sincere gesture, made privately by the President, and using it to advance the media’s biased agenda. “

Trump said this week that he has “called every family of somebody that’s died, and it’s the hardest call to make.” At least 20 Americans have been killed in action since he became commander in chief in January. The Washington Post interviewed the families of 13 and found that his interactions with them vary. About half had received phone calls, they said. The others said they had not heard from the president.

In his call with Trump, Baldridge, a construction worker, expressed frustration with the military’s survivor benefits program. Because his ex-wife was listed as their son’s beneficiary, she was expected to receive the Pentagon’s $100,000 death gratuity — even though “I can barely rub two nickels together,” he told Trump.

The president’s response shocked him.

“He said, ‘I’m going to write you a check out of my personal account for $25,000,’ and I was just floored,” Baldridge said. “I could not believe he was saying that, and I wish I had it recorded because the man did say this. He said, ‘No other president has ever done something like this,’ but he said, ‘I’m going to do it.’ “

The president has faced worsening backlash since details emerged of his phone call Tuesday with the widow of Sgt. La David T. Johnson, who was killed Oct. 4 alongside three other U.S. soldiers in Niger. After not addressing the incident for 12 days, Trump on Monday falsely claimed that previous presidents never or rarely called the families of fallen service members. In fact, they did so regularly.



www.washingtonpost.com


And also
Whitney Hunter, a Gold Star widow whose husband Jonathon Hunter was killed in Afghanistan, said on CNN this afternoon she was told she would be receiving a call from President Trump, but the call never came.

Hunter told Brianna Keilar that she did meet with Vice President Mike Pence, who spoke with her and was “very genuine.”

She was informed she should expect a call from the President but “I never received the phone call.”

And while Hunter did not say anything critical of Trump, she expressed her disappointment:

“I don’t like that I was told that I would received the phone call but then I never did. I don’t have anything negative to say directly about the President, but my husband died for our country. He died for our nation, in defense of our nation, and I don’t want that to have been in vain… I don’t have anything negative to say about our President, but I do know the difference between right and wrong, and whenever you say you’re going to do something, you’re supposed to do it.”

She also got personal in talking about what a great man her husband was. “I married a hero,” Hunter said.

Watch above, via CNN.


www.mediaite.com
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
October 18 2017 20:19 GMT
#180422
wtf. "Don't want it to be in vain"?? He's earned his stripes regardless of if the president calls you. It is a very good thing for mr prez to call you, but call not happening doesn't mean it was "in vain".
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 18 2017 20:20 GMT
#180423
Also, if Trump did record that call without consent it would be illegal since the widow was in Florida. So far, not a very good day for Trump.
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
October 18 2017 20:23 GMT
#180424
On October 19 2017 05:19 Mohdoo wrote:
wtf. "Don't want it to be in vain"?? He's earned his stripes regardless of if the president calls you. It is a very good thing for mr prez to call you, but call not happening doesn't mean it was "in vain".


That is what we are harping on? Not the fact that the widow was lied to?
Something witty
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
October 18 2017 20:28 GMT
#180425
On October 19 2017 05:23 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 05:19 Mohdoo wrote:
wtf. "Don't want it to be in vain"?? He's earned his stripes regardless of if the president calls you. It is a very good thing for mr prez to call you, but call not happening doesn't mean it was "in vain".


That is what we are harping on? Not the fact that the widow was lied to?


I mean, of course that part is way more garbage. I'm just taking exception to the idea that anything about the nobility or value of his service is in any way diminished (meaning it is vulnerable in some way) by Trump not calling. Nothing can make his service be in vain.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 18 2017 20:34 GMT
#180426
On October 19 2017 05:28 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 05:23 IyMoon wrote:
On October 19 2017 05:19 Mohdoo wrote:
wtf. "Don't want it to be in vain"?? He's earned his stripes regardless of if the president calls you. It is a very good thing for mr prez to call you, but call not happening doesn't mean it was "in vain".


That is what we are harping on? Not the fact that the widow was lied to?


I mean, of course that part is way more garbage. I'm just taking exception to the idea that anything about the nobility or value of his service is in any way diminished (meaning it is vulnerable in some way) by Trump not calling. Nothing can make his service be in vain.

I wouldn’t read into the specific verbiage of the totally not media trained grieving widow.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44203 Posts
October 18 2017 20:38 GMT
#180427
On October 19 2017 05:28 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 05:23 IyMoon wrote:
On October 19 2017 05:19 Mohdoo wrote:
wtf. "Don't want it to be in vain"?? He's earned his stripes regardless of if the president calls you. It is a very good thing for mr prez to call you, but call not happening doesn't mean it was "in vain".


That is what we are harping on? Not the fact that the widow was lied to?


I mean, of course that part is way more garbage. I'm just taking exception to the idea that anything about the nobility or value of his service is in any way diminished (meaning it is vulnerable in some way) by Trump not calling. Nothing can make his service be in vain.

It can be if the nation renounces his service symbolically. Take the example of the Wehrmacht, or Vietnam vets for that matter. Whether the sacrifice was in vain is decided later on.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
October 18 2017 20:43 GMT
#180428
On October 19 2017 04:55 Introvert wrote:
I'm not going to accept what any of them say.


Well that doesn't make much sense.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
October 18 2017 21:04 GMT
#180429
On October 19 2017 05:34 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 05:28 Mohdoo wrote:
On October 19 2017 05:23 IyMoon wrote:
On October 19 2017 05:19 Mohdoo wrote:
wtf. "Don't want it to be in vain"?? He's earned his stripes regardless of if the president calls you. It is a very good thing for mr prez to call you, but call not happening doesn't mean it was "in vain".


That is what we are harping on? Not the fact that the widow was lied to?


I mean, of course that part is way more garbage. I'm just taking exception to the idea that anything about the nobility or value of his service is in any way diminished (meaning it is vulnerable in some way) by Trump not calling. Nothing can make his service be in vain.

I wouldn’t read into the specific verbiage of the totally not media trained grieving widow.


Yeah, I'm an idiot. You're right. It's not like this was some kinda PR statement lol
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
October 18 2017 21:07 GMT
#180430
On October 19 2017 05:16 Wulfey_LA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 05:10 Plansix wrote:
I love that some folks have gone to full “asking for receipts” with this Trump phone call. Until we have a full audio recording independently reviewed by an approved neutral mediator with no political affiliations, it is impossible to tell what is real. Forget good faith, we need prima facie evidence.


As if we haven't been at this exact location in a Trump 72 hour news cycle shit fest once a week for the last 7 months before.

Stage 1: something horrible Trump says comes out, it demeans the Office of the Presidency and reveals his despicable character
Stage 2 (~12 hours): cultists pretend it is fake news until more confirmation (it was a Democrat who said it!)
Stage 3 (~18 hours): DJT lies about substance of statement
Stage 4 (~24 hours): further eyewitnesses come forwards contradicting DJT (cultists play epistemological games and pretend we haven't had this cycle before [WE ARE HERE])
Stage 5 (~48 hours): DJT confirms original statement in hate tweet
Stage 6 (~72 hours): anti-anti-Trump attacks media for focusing on terrible thing Trump says and cultists wash whole thing from their memory


Love this.
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
October 18 2017 21:23 GMT
#180431
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
October 18 2017 21:28 GMT
#180432
On October 19 2017 06:23 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
https://twitter.com/NPR/status/920741472927911936


I enjoyed this part from the article:


The Trump website also cited a donation to "Cystic Fibrosis" — as in the genetic disease, rather than a specific charity supporting research. The Trump Campaign document also has an entry for a $1,182.50 donation to "Child Abuse."


Because those donations, as written by the Golf Course's list, implies Trump's Golf Club is supporting Cystic Fibrosis and Child Abuse.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 18 2017 21:33 GMT
#180433


Trump shifts his case for decertification more fully into the national security interests of America.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 18 2017 21:34 GMT
#180434
The part about the golf course trying to claim is it a tax free entity because it is a public, open space was also pretty rich.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8148 Posts
October 18 2017 21:46 GMT
#180435
On October 19 2017 06:33 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/920733077349064707

Trump shifts his case for decertification more fully into the national security interests of America.

Luckily there are people making sentences for him. Pro tip: anything he tweets that is not within the strict boundaries of his 150 words vocabulary is from one of his croonies.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
October 18 2017 21:47 GMT
#180436
On October 19 2017 06:33 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/920733077349064707

Trump shifts his case for decertification more fully into the national security interests of America.


Well shit! If Nikki Haley says so, sign me up lolllllllllllllllll
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-18 21:56:24
October 18 2017 21:55 GMT
#180437
On October 19 2017 06:33 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/920733077349064707

Trump shifts his case for decertification more fully into the national security interests of America.

I thought we already established that the case is pretty weak if nonexistant that it is in the interest of national security of USA.

You yourself is incapable of describing a case, only able to present twitter as an argument. With the arguments put forth by the ambassadar, which are more eloquent than Trump can put forth, the very same argument could be placed to refuse to engage or trade with any country with less than stellar democratic rights, any country that arms fighters against ISIS or any country involved in selling weapons to the combatants in Yemen, or noncompliance with UN resolutions, which is a very broad list including Russia, Saudi Arabia, Isreal, China, UK, Germany and USA.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
October 18 2017 22:04 GMT
#180438
trump is certainly proving that the word of the US doesn't mean much to either allies or antagonists.

wait till he starts fucking with the debt or something and "backed by the full faith and credit of the US government" stops sounding as good as it used to.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
October 18 2017 22:05 GMT
#180439
On October 19 2017 06:55 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2017 06:33 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/920733077349064707

Trump shifts his case for decertification more fully into the national security interests of America.

I thought we already established that the case is pretty weak if nonexistant that it is in the interest of national security of USA.

You yourself is incapable of describing a case, only able to present twitter as an argument. With the arguments put forth by the ambassadar, which are more eloquent than Trump can put forth, the very same argument could be placed to refuse to engage or trade with any country with less than stellar democratic rights, any country that arms fighters against ISIS or any country involved in selling weapons to the combatants in Yemen, or noncompliance with UN resolutions, which is a very broad list including Russia, Saudi Arabia, Isreal, China, UK, Germany and USA.


If the argument had a shred of credibility, other nations would feel the same. It's not like Germany just wants to be as nice as possible to Iran and totally allow it to have nukes or something. Other countries want Iran to be benign. They support the Iran deal. If it was as bad as Trump says, it wouldn't have support. I just don't understand why people think all of these other countries, Russia included, support the plan.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
October 18 2017 22:07 GMT
#180440
Clearly it's because the other countries don't support winning as much as Trump does.
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