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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On October 19 2017 02:01 LegalLord wrote: Plenty of shitty, counterproductive protests back then too. As yes, another white guy trying to tell minorities exactly how and where they should and should not protest. I wonder where we've seen this before... | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On October 19 2017 01:49 Yurie wrote: Not being from the US I have totally failed to see how some random sports people kneeling to support some random cause is a big deal. Or even something worth covering positively or negatively at all. Could somebody explain what the uproar is about? The uproar is largely a red herring. Kneeling is a sign of respect equivalent to standing (or else churches have been doing shit wrong for centuries), so the hullabaloo about the athletes in question being "disrespectful" is not actually about respect insomuch as it is about conformity. They're not respecting the flag/anthem the same way everyone else is, and they're doing so intentionally to draw attention to a cause. If the cause were something uncontroversial like wounded veterans, breast cancer, or sick kids there would be little blowback. If it was an expression of Christian worship it wouldn't be controversial either (and in fact would probably be lauded, SEE: Tim Tebow). It's because the cause isn't "random" but racism that the issue has become heated. Which is where the red herring comes in. It's easier to criticize the protest than to engage the protest's message (which is basically true of every protest ever), so that's what's happening, and because the media thrives on conflict it happily allows that criticism to take precedence over the actual substance of the protest. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
I also respect that she was going to cuss him out right there and they didn't let her. Edit: Ok, this is why national news sucks. Why have I not been informed about her before this? This was information I needed and should have been delivered to me years ago. Wilson is an avid wearer of hats. She has a large collection that includes hundreds of hats of all different varieties. She wears one every day to honor her late grandmother. wiki | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On October 19 2017 02:09 PoulsenB wrote: If anyone wants a graphic representation of this post, just search Google Images for "low quality bait" yeah, the baits have definitely been on the rise lately too :/ | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
“I didn’t say what that congresswoman said. Didn’t say it at all. She knows it, and she now is not saying it. I did not say what she said, and I’d like her to make the statement again because I did not say what she said. I had a very nice conversation with the woman, with the wife – who sounded like a lovely woman – did not say what the congresswoman said and most people aren’t too surprised to hear that…let her make her statement again and then you’ll find out.” | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21734 Posts
On October 19 2017 02:24 Plansix wrote: Myeshia Johnson has backed up the story. Trump is a damn fool if he thinks he can just lie his way out of this one. Why? His following will buy it. Everyone else wont but they already hate him so who cares. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On October 19 2017 02:31 Gorsameth wrote: Why? His following will buy it. Everyone else wont but they already hate him so who cares. They're already buying it, but at this point, is this really how a president is suppose to act? I don't give a shit if 30% of the American voters like him, he has a way larger audience that dislike him, and that needs to start getting traction in Congress because when 2018 rolls around, don't expect a lot of seats to be red. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10740 Posts
And still discuss mainly kneeling and what he said to the wife of a dead soldier. Why? Just stop repeating the bullshit and talk about whats happening with that canada/mexico/us tradedeal? Stop being victims to reality tv 2.0 | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 19 2017 02:37 ShoCkeyy wrote: They're already buying it, but at this point, is this really how a president is suppose to act? I don't give a shit if 30% of the American voters like him, he has a way larger audience that dislike him, and that needs to start getting traction in Congress because when 2018 rolls around, don't expect a lot of seats to be red. Pretty much this. I feel like a broken record, but Nixon has 40% of the country supporting him when he was removed. Trump is below that, but his Republican support isn’t even that great. There are some people that won’t change their minds, but they don’t matter. His supporters are the only people who vote. And this type of distraction makes life so much harder for congress. You can already see senators at the end of their rope with Trump. We have a budget fight in December that the GOP is not prepared for. On October 19 2017 02:43 Velr wrote: You guys sound like some cult has overtaken your goverment. And still discuss mainly kneeling and what he said to the wife of a dead soldier. Why? Just stop repeating the bullshit and talk about whats happening with that canada/mexico/us tradedeal? Stop being victims to reality tv 2.0 It is going poorly and Trump might blow up NAFTA if he gets bored. Also his plan to slap a 200% tariff to help Boeing blew up in his face. | ||
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Wulfey_LA
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On October 19 2017 02:09 PoulsenB wrote: If anyone wants a graphic representation of this post, just search Google Images for "low quality bait" The fact that you see it as a bait is more indicative of your own political bend than of any actual baiting. Any desire to idolize the Civil Rights Movement and say that anything they did was good because it worked overall doesn't address the reality that much of what happened back then was a failure as well. The way people feel about police shootings and BLM-esque strategies are not necessarily the same. It's perfectly possible to agree with one's end goals - and be willing to do something about it (most significantly perhaps, to vote sympathetically) - but to be rightfully disgusted with the shittiness of the movement and the desire to create a "if you're not with us, you're against us" mentality in every situation possible. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 19 2017 02:49 LegalLord wrote: The fact that you see it as a bait is more indicative of your own political bend than of any actual baiting. Any desire to idolize the Civil Rights Movement and say that anything they did was good because it worked overall doesn't address the reality that much of what happened back then was a failure as well. The way people feel about police shootings and BLM-esque strategies are not necessarily the same. It's perfectly possible to agree with one's end goals - and be willing to do something about it (most significantly perhaps, to vote sympathetically) - but to be rightfully disgusted with the shittiness of the movement and the desire to create a "if you're not with us, you're against us" mentality in every situation possible. Lets get real for a second LL; you say you are a Russian national living in the US. Where did you receive your primary education? Russia or the US? Because you have a lot of strong opinions about the really specific parts of the history of a country you claim to have not grown up in. | ||
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Introvert
United States4789 Posts
On October 19 2017 01:12 KwarK wrote: This entire thing could be avoided had Trump not seen the need to brag about how much he cared about the troops and how much better he was than the past Presidents. It's an absurd situation. In the UK we had a minor controversy when Prime Minister Gordon Brown wrote a letter of condolence to the mother of a soldier killed in action and called her "Mrs James", not "Mrs Janes". The difference is Gordon Brown apologized, called her to express his regret, and is half blind. People capable of expressing humility don't run into these issues. We don't need to dismember the entire transcript and try and prove once and for all who was in the right. Who is in the right isn't the issue, nobody thinks that Trump was deliberately trying to upset the widow, no more than anyone thinks that Brown got the name wrong as an intentional slight. He just needs to apologize and move the hell on. I don't think Trump brought up this particular story. And we're still dancing around what else he said or what the mother said before that maybe he responded to badly. He could have said it in the most callous way possible, but I don't know for sure. So far we have this one sentence, right? Maybe two? And we've seen plenty of gold star families say things that one side or another regards as untrue, but we give them a pass. The fact that the Congresswoman even said anything is what's giving me the most suspicion here. I don't discount the possibility but I simply need more than this. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On October 19 2017 02:43 Velr wrote: You guys sound like some cult has overtaken your goverment. And still discuss mainly kneeling and what he said to the wife of a dead soldier. Why? Just stop repeating the bullshit and talk about whats happening with that canada/mexico/us tradedeal? Stop being victims to reality tv 2.0 Velr, read the thread. Plansix linked an article about Roy Moore (current Republican candidate for Session's senate seat) talking explicitly about the kneeling players. He has a wrongheaded opinion on the subject and it provokes discussion on what the right conception of that protest actually is to show how he's wrong. One poll says it's a tight race and a big divisive opinion on a current event is very germane. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On October 19 2017 03:04 Introvert wrote: I don't think Trump brought up this particular story. And we're still dancing around what else he said or what the mother said before that maybe he responded to badly. He could have said it in the most callous way possible, but I don't know for sure. So far we have this one sentence, right? Maybe two? And we've seen plenty of gold star families say things that one side or another regards as untrue, but we give them a pass. The fact that the Congresswoman even said anything is what's giving me the most suspicion here. I don't discount the possibility but I simply need more than this. They've also said he didn't know the soldier's or wife's name | ||
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