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On September 29 2017 05:27 Sermokala wrote:
Automation isn't the boggyman that people make it out to be. Its only going to stress the education and reintegration of different economies. The issue is people being shitty and not wanting to adjust to the new normal because change inherently causes fear and panic. Half the issues argued in this thread are probably caused by the fear and panic brought by change and the inability for people to sympathize with this.
agree with much of this; disagree on the last part some; though i'd note that it's not the inability of people to sympathize with this that's the problem so much (i'm assuming you're talking about the more left-aligned); as that a bunch of people, especially politicians, try to pretend it isn't happening or misplace blame and actively prevent it from happening (wherein i'm referring to the more right-aligned)
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On September 29 2017 05:39 Plansix wrote:
The highest level skill you can get is winning your lane while also teach your 1K pub lord support to not fuck with the creep agro by attacking the offlaner from behind. Its like teaching a man to fish while he kicks you in the balls.
err, wrong thread dude
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I don't know about the left but personally I'm quite eager to see automation and IA.
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I think there is a pretty good reason to be scared when our country is taking very minimal preparations to retool its population for the future, and generally likes to shit on education.
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The automated trucking industry has a lot of lobbyist, insurance agencies and reality in general to deal with before they start phasing out truckers. I find it hard to believe that companies will ship millions of dollars in products across the country in unmanned trucks. That seems like a whole lot of problems waiting to happen.
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On September 29 2017 05:33 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2017 05:27 Sermokala wrote:
Automation isn't the boggyman that people make it out to be. Its only going to stress the education and reintegration of different economies. The issue is people being shitty and not wanting to adjust to the new normal because change inherently causes fear and panic. Half the issues argued in this thread are probably caused by the fear and panic brought by change and the inability for people to sympathize with this. agree with much of this; disagree on the last part some; though i'd note that it's not the inability of people to sympathize with this that's the problem so much (i'm assuming you're talking about the more left-aligned); as that a bunch of people, especially politicians, try to pretend it isn't happening or misplace blame and actively prevent it from happening (wherein i'm referring to the more right-aligned)
I would say It would fall equally. People fail to self sympathize with loss of culture and struggle to keep the memory of that going beyond when it should die.
On September 29 2017 05:48 Plansix wrote:
The automated trucking industry has a lot of lobbyist, insurance agencies and reality in general to deal with before they start phasing out truckers. I find it hard to believe that companies will ship millions of dollars in products across the country in unmanned trucks. That seems like a whole lot of problems waiting to happen.
Officer that drone fell on my property and I didn't know that someone wasn't trying to deliver that 8th microwave to me.
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In fairness he's seeking to transition most of the populace into debt slavery (still legal by the way), so $1000 dollars is just the right amount to get into a new car you can't afford or start a remodel you can't finish.
On September 29 2017 05:48 Plansix wrote:
The automated trucking industry has a lot of lobbyist, insurance agencies and reality in general to deal with before they start phasing out truckers. I find it hard to believe that companies will ship millions of dollars in products across the country in unmanned trucks. That seems like a whole lot of problems waiting to happen.
It's a $700 billion industry with ~1/3 of the costs going to compensate drivers, where there's a will there's a way. But it will start with them just there for emergencies/repairs on the road, and as a point of contact at deliveries.
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On September 29 2017 05:48 Plansix wrote:
The automated trucking industry has a lot of lobbyist, insurance agencies and reality in general to deal with before they start phasing out truckers. I find it hard to believe that companies will ship millions of dollars in products across the country in unmanned trucks. That seems like a whole lot of problems waiting to happen.
It's not happening now, but why is it such a stretch to believe that it will happen in the next decade? Humans suck at driving, especially for long sustained distances and hours. It doesn't even have to be an entirely separate industry. Once it's economically feasible to replace existing drivers with automated trucks, I don't see why the lobbyists would care about the actual drivers over their own profit margins.
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His point was, at least partially, about them getting robbed I think.
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On September 29 2017 05:55 chocorush wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2017 05:48 Plansix wrote:
The automated trucking industry has a lot of lobbyist, insurance agencies and reality in general to deal with before they start phasing out truckers. I find it hard to believe that companies will ship millions of dollars in products across the country in unmanned trucks. That seems like a whole lot of problems waiting to happen. It's not happening now, but why is it such a stretch to believe that it will happen in the next decade? Humans suck at driving, especially for long sustained distances and hours. It doesn't even have to be an entirely separate industry. Once it's economically feasible to replace existing drivers with automated trucks, I don't see why the lobbyists would care about the actual drivers over their own profit margins.
Provided a system that isn't complete crap, not paying a bunch of people and not having them stop working every x hours to eat and sleep will be worth solving that whole lot of problems waiting to happen.
Think of emails phasing out postmen, not a fast process but it won't take a lifetime either.
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On September 29 2017 05:55 chocorush wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2017 05:48 Plansix wrote:
The automated trucking industry has a lot of lobbyist, insurance agencies and reality in general to deal with before they start phasing out truckers. I find it hard to believe that companies will ship millions of dollars in products across the country in unmanned trucks. That seems like a whole lot of problems waiting to happen. It's not happening now, but why is it such a stretch to believe that it will happen in the next decade? Humans suck at driving, especially for long sustained distances and hours. It doesn't even have to be an entirely separate industry. Once it's economically feasible to replace existing drivers with automated trucks, I don't see why the lobbyists would care about the actual drivers over their own profit margins.
You know what humans are really good at? Abusing systems and stealing shit. We can't even keep email secure. Just think of this future where millions of dollars in products are traveling across the county.
Who knows? It could be some dope mad max shit with robot trucks? I could write a dystopian novel about a hollowed out Central America stealing automated trucking shipments from the cities run my mega corporations.
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On September 29 2017 05:49 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2017 05:33 zlefin wrote:On September 29 2017 05:27 Sermokala wrote:
Automation isn't the boggyman that people make it out to be. Its only going to stress the education and reintegration of different economies. The issue is people being shitty and not wanting to adjust to the new normal because change inherently causes fear and panic. Half the issues argued in this thread are probably caused by the fear and panic brought by change and the inability for people to sympathize with this. agree with much of this; disagree on the last part some; though i'd note that it's not the inability of people to sympathize with this that's the problem so much (i'm assuming you're talking about the more left-aligned); as that a bunch of people, especially politicians, try to pretend it isn't happening or misplace blame and actively prevent it from happening (wherein i'm referring to the more right-aligned) I would say It would fall equally. People fail to self sympathize with loss of culture and struggle to keep the memory of that going beyond when it should die. Show nested quote +On September 29 2017 05:48 Plansix wrote:
The automated trucking industry has a lot of lobbyist, insurance agencies and reality in general to deal with before they start phasing out truckers. I find it hard to believe that companies will ship millions of dollars in products across the country in unmanned trucks. That seems like a whole lot of problems waiting to happen. Officer that drone fell on my property and I didn't know that someone wasn't trying to deliver that 8th microwave to me.
I'm fine iwth agreeing to it an even spread with issues/problems coming from both sides. It would help if people were encouraged to value flexibility and adaptability and mobility more as a culture; given that we're in an era of constant change (and all likely will continue to be in an era of constant change for future lifetimes).
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On September 29 2017 06:05 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2017 05:55 chocorush wrote:On September 29 2017 05:48 Plansix wrote:
The automated trucking industry has a lot of lobbyist, insurance agencies and reality in general to deal with before they start phasing out truckers. I find it hard to believe that companies will ship millions of dollars in products across the country in unmanned trucks. That seems like a whole lot of problems waiting to happen. It's not happening now, but why is it such a stretch to believe that it will happen in the next decade? Humans suck at driving, especially for long sustained distances and hours. It doesn't even have to be an entirely separate industry. Once it's economically feasible to replace existing drivers with automated trucks, I don't see why the lobbyists would care about the actual drivers over their own profit margins. You know what humans are really good at? Abusing systems and stealing shit. We can't even keep email secure. Just think of this future where millions of dollars in products are traveling across the county. Who knows? It could be some dope mad max shit with robot trucks? I could write a dystopian novel about a hollowed out Central America stealing automated trucking shipments from the cities run my mega corporations.
What's stopping them today
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Scruples against hurting people? Whereas an autonomous truck is just property.
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On September 29 2017 06:24 Artisreal wrote:
Scruples against hurting people? Whereas an autonomous truck is just property.
That's what Wegandi's mercenaries privatized police are for.
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On September 29 2017 06:16 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2017 06:05 Plansix wrote:On September 29 2017 05:55 chocorush wrote:On September 29 2017 05:48 Plansix wrote:
The automated trucking industry has a lot of lobbyist, insurance agencies and reality in general to deal with before they start phasing out truckers. I find it hard to believe that companies will ship millions of dollars in products across the country in unmanned trucks. That seems like a whole lot of problems waiting to happen. It's not happening now, but why is it such a stretch to believe that it will happen in the next decade? Humans suck at driving, especially for long sustained distances and hours. It doesn't even have to be an entirely separate industry. Once it's economically feasible to replace existing drivers with automated trucks, I don't see why the lobbyists would care about the actual drivers over their own profit margins. You know what humans are really good at? Abusing systems and stealing shit. We can't even keep email secure. Just think of this future where millions of dollars in products are traveling across the county. Who knows? It could be some dope mad max shit with robot trucks? I could write a dystopian novel about a hollowed out Central America stealing automated trucking shipments from the cities run my mega corporations. What's stopping them today
The human driving the truck that can’t be easily tricked into stopping or getting off the highway in some remote area. Also the human driver they would have to let go, hurt or kill. The existence of humans is a huge deterrent to crime.
It is sort of like the Amazon delivery drone idea. It looks neat, until you think about how easy to knock a drone out of the sky.
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