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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-27 13:53:14
September 27 2017 13:52 GMT
#177181
The NY Times did not apologize, if I recall trump threatened to sue and the NYT said they would see him in court and nothing happened.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 27 2017 13:58 GMT
#177182
On September 27 2017 22:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The NY Times did not apologize, if I recall trump threatened to sue and the NYT said they would see him in court and nothing happened.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/913034591879024640

I'm laughing at that "Collusion?" end to it.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 27 2017 14:03 GMT
#177183
i wonder what kind of wisdom trump will be able to offer with 280 characters
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-27 14:08:03
September 27 2017 14:07 GMT
#177184
On September 27 2017 23:03 ticklishmusic wrote:
i wonder what kind of wisdom trump will be able to offer with 280 characters


Well, posterity will probably never know his best gems because he deletes them when he's wrong. Like how he deleted his tweets backing Strange after Strange lost because he's a big Predisential baby.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 27 2017 14:18 GMT
#177185
Moore in the Senate will be a crackup. But first we get what's sure to be a hilarious general election campaign season. He's got a very unique record.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 27 2017 14:24 GMT
#177186
The best part about Moore is that he said Obama wasn’t a use citizen…last month. I expect him to drive the moderate Republicans right into the arms of the Democrats. The next couple of years are going to prove that the GOP is a powerless husk with no leverage.

And I love that Trump thinks that major news papers reporting on the same country means they are colluding.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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RealityIsKing
Profile Joined August 2016
613 Posts
September 27 2017 14:35 GMT
#177187
Dave Rubin summarized the NFL situation perfectly here

Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
September 27 2017 14:49 GMT
#177188
On September 27 2017 23:35 RealityIsKing wrote:
Dave Rubin summarized the NFL situation perfectly here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZNvlbLeFVA

I'll take the "I watch sports to escape politics." seriously when the same people want to remove the pledge from sporting events.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 27 2017 14:55 GMT
#177189
On September 27 2017 19:46 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2017 12:27 xDaunt wrote:
On September 27 2017 12:10 LegalLord wrote:
I just re-read the entire Coates piece and I pretty much stand by my original statement that it's a stupid piece of drivel that frames every problem it can as racism even when there's zero reason to see it that way. It's another testament, as if we needed one, that if you combine a long piece of writing with a lot of sources, no matter how shit your argument you will get a lot of people who think you have something meaningful to say, as long as it's sympathetic to your own cause. It's one of the most naked examples of that old "let's just face it, everyone who thinks differently is just a >>RACIST<<" syndrome that has infected our political discourse.It's neither surprising nor flattering why we have a few individuals who are beside themselves with praise for that piece.

Here's an easy way to see how insipid his point of view is. Just take a look at how all of the little acolytes to his world view have been responding to Wegandi, Danglars, me, et al. They really don't know how to deal with us and the points that we're making. This framework of theirs is so damned narrow and vapid that they can't contemplate why their chosen terminology and method of framing the issue are so self-sabotaging.


So you're saying that when people aren't answering it's evidence that they don't have answers? That's really throwing you and Danglars under the bus there, long history of pretending to threaten debates and then moving away from them when they could possibly happen.

It's not the lack of answers. It's the answers that have been given.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
September 27 2017 14:56 GMT
#177190
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 27 2017 15:04 GMT
#177191
How many more of these GOP establishment failures does Trump really need to see before he tosses McConnell, Ryan, et al. overboard?
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
September 27 2017 15:08 GMT
#177192
On September 28 2017 00:04 xDaunt wrote:
How many more of these GOP establishment failures does Trump really need to see before he tosses McConnell, Ryan, et al. overboard?

Winning is a relative state. Trump can't be a winner if there aren't losers surrounding him.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
September 27 2017 15:10 GMT
#177193
On September 27 2017 23:35 RealityIsKing wrote:
Dave Rubin summarized the NFL situation perfectly here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZNvlbLeFVA


It's ok for it to be someone's escape from politics. It is not ok to take away the personhood from the people playing and to actually disallow them from being political. It is plain and simply not a reasonable request.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
September 27 2017 15:11 GMT
#177194
On September 28 2017 00:04 xDaunt wrote:
How many more of these GOP establishment failures does Trump really need to see before he tosses McConnell, Ryan, et al. overboard?

what would tossing them overboard constitute? i.e. how would it look if he were to do so?
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 27 2017 15:13 GMT
#177195
On September 27 2017 23:49 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2017 23:35 RealityIsKing wrote:
Dave Rubin summarized the NFL situation perfectly here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZNvlbLeFVA

I'll take the "I watch sports to escape politics." seriously when the same people want to remove the pledge from sporting events.

The pledge is not present at any sporting events.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22658 Posts
September 27 2017 15:15 GMT
#177196
On September 28 2017 00:04 xDaunt wrote:
How many more of these GOP establishment failures does Trump really need to see before he tosses McConnell, Ryan, et al. overboard?

Getting rid of the symptoms changes nothing.

The party is utterly divided and throwing out the moderate part isn't going to get moderate Republican states to vote for the bat shit crazy candidates who you would need to replace them with the unify the party.
Similarly the Southern Strategy has cultivated enough far-right supporters that moving in on the moderates is a manageable feat (from what I'm seeing).

The second option, of moving away from the tea party and back towards the center is probably more favorable in the long run tho.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22658 Posts
September 27 2017 15:16 GMT
#177197
On September 28 2017 00:13 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2017 23:49 Gahlo wrote:
On September 27 2017 23:35 RealityIsKing wrote:
Dave Rubin summarized the NFL situation perfectly here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZNvlbLeFVA

I'll take the "I watch sports to escape politics." seriously when the same people want to remove the pledge from sporting events.

The pledge is not present at any sporting events.

I assumed he meant the anthem.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-27 15:30:59
September 27 2017 15:30 GMT
#177198
On September 28 2017 00:13 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2017 23:49 Gahlo wrote:
On September 27 2017 23:35 RealityIsKing wrote:
Dave Rubin summarized the NFL situation perfectly here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZNvlbLeFVA

I'll take the "I watch sports to escape politics." seriously when the same people want to remove the pledge from sporting events.

The pledge is not present at any sporting events.

All right, time to remove it and the anthem from the NFL. Politics removed. Problem solved.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-27 15:50:21
September 27 2017 15:43 GMT
#177199
Do we have anyone here see Roy Moore as a net positive over the guy he just ejected? This honestly sounds like it goes a few steps beyond what I normally see people advocating for here:


After two failed gubernatorial bids, Moore was elected for a second six-year term as chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court in 2012. Again, he invoked the Bible during his swearing-in ceremony.

“We’ve got to remember that most of what we do in court comes from some Scripture or is backed by Scripture,” Moore said after taking the oath of office.

Again, the panel ousted him — this time, in 2016, permanently — after Moore reportedly urged state judges to defy the U.S. Supreme Court decision that legalized same-sex marriage. Moore has compared homosexuality to bestiality and called it “an inherent evil against which children must be protected.”

Moore does not celebrate all religions. This summer, he called Islam a “false religion” on the campaign trail.




"I think homosexuality should be illegal," Moore said. "Sodomy was declared illegal by the United States Supreme Court in 1987, it said there was no right under the constitution to enlarge the fundamental rights of homosexuals."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/09/27/a-short-history-of-roy-moores-controversial-interpretations-of-the-bible/

Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 27 2017 15:43 GMT
#177200
On September 28 2017 00:30 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2017 00:13 Danglars wrote:
On September 27 2017 23:49 Gahlo wrote:
On September 27 2017 23:35 RealityIsKing wrote:
Dave Rubin summarized the NFL situation perfectly here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZNvlbLeFVA

I'll take the "I watch sports to escape politics." seriously when the same people want to remove the pledge from sporting events.

The pledge is not present at any sporting events.

All right, time to remove it and the anthem from the NFL. Politics removed. Problem solved.

Remove what’s not present. Right.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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