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On September 27 2017 00:37 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2017 00:33 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 27 2017 00:27 KwarK wrote:On September 27 2017 00:24 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 27 2017 00:15 KwarK wrote:On September 27 2017 00:14 RealityIsKing wrote:
Lots of people have to realize that most of the white people in the country had nothing to do with the slaving of blacks.
They didn't choose to be born as "whites". The football players don't actually think that all white people were active participants in the transatlantic slave trade. You're not understanding what the issue under discussion is. You should be embarrassed to have such a weak understanding of a subject that you're trying to be involved in. According to you, yeah. But according to facts, people these days didn't choose to be born as "white". I know it, you know it, and pretty much everybody knows it. Plus the slaves were freed too. Unless you have a time machine to go back and force all the British/French/Spanish people/empire that owned slave to pay reparation, there is no clear answer to this so-called "white supremacy" problem. Or are you willing to go back in ancestry.com to look for all the descendant of slave owners/slaves (plenty of blacks that aren't descendant of slaves just letting you know) and make descendant of slave owners pay reparation to descendant slaves? By the way, I'm not ashamed. I am a realist, not an ideologue. And according to reality, you can't go around shaming people to spread your message. The solution to the white supremacy problem is really simple. Treat black people like you treat white people. That's literally it. You're still not understanding the issue at all. You don't need a time machine to treat African Americans with respect. And again, literally nobody is saying that white people chose to be born white and should be shamed for it. That's an argument you made up in order to attack. Don't do that. Then black people(and others allies of black rights) should treat white people/others with respect too instead of using insulting, shaming tactics in violent manners. alternatively, maybe everyone regardless of race.
Yes, this, 100%.
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On September 27 2017 00:38 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2017 00:37 brian wrote:On September 27 2017 00:33 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 27 2017 00:27 KwarK wrote:On September 27 2017 00:24 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 27 2017 00:15 KwarK wrote:On September 27 2017 00:14 RealityIsKing wrote:
Lots of people have to realize that most of the white people in the country had nothing to do with the slaving of blacks.
They didn't choose to be born as "whites". The football players don't actually think that all white people were active participants in the transatlantic slave trade. You're not understanding what the issue under discussion is. You should be embarrassed to have such a weak understanding of a subject that you're trying to be involved in. According to you, yeah. But according to facts, people these days didn't choose to be born as "white". I know it, you know it, and pretty much everybody knows it. Plus the slaves were freed too. Unless you have a time machine to go back and force all the British/French/Spanish people/empire that owned slave to pay reparation, there is no clear answer to this so-called "white supremacy" problem. Or are you willing to go back in ancestry.com to look for all the descendant of slave owners/slaves (plenty of blacks that aren't descendant of slaves just letting you know) and make descendant of slave owners pay reparation to descendant slaves? By the way, I'm not ashamed. I am a realist, not an ideologue. And according to reality, you can't go around shaming people to spread your message. The solution to the white supremacy problem is really simple. Treat black people like you treat white people. That's literally it. You're still not understanding the issue at all. You don't need a time machine to treat African Americans with respect. And again, literally nobody is saying that white people chose to be born white and should be shamed for it. That's an argument you made up in order to attack. Don't do that. Then black people(and others allies of black rights) should treat white people/others with respect too instead of using insulting, shaming tactics in violent manners. alternatively, maybe everyone regardless of race. Yes, this, 100%.
There isn't a side here advocating disrespect.
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On September 27 2017 00:42 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2017 00:38 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 27 2017 00:37 brian wrote:On September 27 2017 00:33 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 27 2017 00:27 KwarK wrote:On September 27 2017 00:24 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 27 2017 00:15 KwarK wrote:On September 27 2017 00:14 RealityIsKing wrote:
Lots of people have to realize that most of the white people in the country had nothing to do with the slaving of blacks.
They didn't choose to be born as "whites". The football players don't actually think that all white people were active participants in the transatlantic slave trade. You're not understanding what the issue under discussion is. You should be embarrassed to have such a weak understanding of a subject that you're trying to be involved in. According to you, yeah. But according to facts, people these days didn't choose to be born as "white". I know it, you know it, and pretty much everybody knows it. Plus the slaves were freed too. Unless you have a time machine to go back and force all the British/French/Spanish people/empire that owned slave to pay reparation, there is no clear answer to this so-called "white supremacy" problem. Or are you willing to go back in ancestry.com to look for all the descendant of slave owners/slaves (plenty of blacks that aren't descendant of slaves just letting you know) and make descendant of slave owners pay reparation to descendant slaves? By the way, I'm not ashamed. I am a realist, not an ideologue. And according to reality, you can't go around shaming people to spread your message. The solution to the white supremacy problem is really simple. Treat black people like you treat white people. That's literally it. You're still not understanding the issue at all. You don't need a time machine to treat African Americans with respect. And again, literally nobody is saying that white people chose to be born white and should be shamed for it. That's an argument you made up in order to attack. Don't do that. Then black people(and others allies of black rights) should treat white people/others with respect too instead of using insulting, shaming tactics in violent manners. alternatively, maybe everyone regardless of race. Yes, this, 100%. There isn't a side here advocating disrespect.
I sure hope not.
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Some members of the chicago police department are getting reprimanded over this :
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Trump says he's going to Puerto Rico next week.
Trump said he’ll be going next Tuesday to survey the damage, claiming he doesn’t want to interfere with relief efforts. He also said he may travel to the Virgin Islands as well.
“Puerto Rico is very important to me,” the President said, “and Puerto Rico––the people are fantastic people. I grew up in New York, so I know many people from Puerto Rico, I know many Puerto Ricans. And these are great people, and we have to help them. The island is devastated.”
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On September 27 2017 00:44 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2017 00:42 KwarK wrote:On September 27 2017 00:38 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 27 2017 00:37 brian wrote:On September 27 2017 00:33 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 27 2017 00:27 KwarK wrote:On September 27 2017 00:24 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 27 2017 00:15 KwarK wrote:On September 27 2017 00:14 RealityIsKing wrote:
Lots of people have to realize that most of the white people in the country had nothing to do with the slaving of blacks.
They didn't choose to be born as "whites". The football players don't actually think that all white people were active participants in the transatlantic slave trade. You're not understanding what the issue under discussion is. You should be embarrassed to have such a weak understanding of a subject that you're trying to be involved in. According to you, yeah. But according to facts, people these days didn't choose to be born as "white". I know it, you know it, and pretty much everybody knows it. Plus the slaves were freed too. Unless you have a time machine to go back and force all the British/French/Spanish people/empire that owned slave to pay reparation, there is no clear answer to this so-called "white supremacy" problem. Or are you willing to go back in ancestry.com to look for all the descendant of slave owners/slaves (plenty of blacks that aren't descendant of slaves just letting you know) and make descendant of slave owners pay reparation to descendant slaves? By the way, I'm not ashamed. I am a realist, not an ideologue. And according to reality, you can't go around shaming people to spread your message. The solution to the white supremacy problem is really simple. Treat black people like you treat white people. That's literally it. You're still not understanding the issue at all. You don't need a time machine to treat African Americans with respect. And again, literally nobody is saying that white people chose to be born white and should be shamed for it. That's an argument you made up in order to attack. Don't do that. Then black people(and others allies of black rights) should treat white people/others with respect too instead of using insulting, shaming tactics in violent manners. alternatively, maybe everyone regardless of race. Yes, this, 100%. There isn't a side here advocating disrespect. I sure hope not.
Which begs the question of why you're trying to argue against those advocating disrespect when we both agree that they don't exist.
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President Trump is feuding with the NFL. He argued that players shouldn’t take a knee during the national anthem to protest police violence against African-Americans. Trump also urged NFL team owners to do something to stop them. It’s possible that Trump is reading the results of polls showing that most Americans disapprove of the players’ protests and that he believes he can take political advantage of a cultural divide. And he may be right — for now.
We don’t have any polling specifically about Trump’s recent NFL comments, but a Quinnipiac University poll from 2016 found that only 38 percent of those surveyed approved of players choosing not to stand during the anthem. But while these NFL protests may be unpopular right now, particularly with white people,1 similar protests in the past — involving race, civil rights and varying definitions of patriotism — came to be viewed much more positively after the fact.
Marches for civil rights during the 1960s were generally seen negatively at the time. As the Washington Post noted last year, most Americans didn’t approve of the Freedom Riders, the March on Washington in 1963 or other similar protests. In fact, many Americans thought that these protests would hurt the advancement of civil rights. In addition, but many Americans held mixed-to-negative views of civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr. In a 1966 Gallup survey, 63 percent of Americans gave King a negative score on a scale from -5 to +5. Now, the civil rights marches are viewed as major successes, and just 4 percent of Americans rated King negatively on that same scale in a 2011 Gallup poll.
Many Americans also viewed gay rights marchers during the AIDS epidemic negatively. According to Business Insider, the March on Washington for Lesbian, Gay and Bi Equal Rights and Liberation in April 1993 drew more than 800,000 people fighting against discrimination and seeking more funding for AIDS research. But in a Newsweek survey conducted at the time, only 23 percent of Americans thought that the demonstration did more good than harm in the fight for gay rights. Today, gay rights organizations celebrate the march, same-sex marriage is legal and much of the platform demanded by protesters seems mainstream.
The polling on the marches for black and gay civil rights underscores a fundamental truth about surveys: They merely measure how people feel at the time the polls are conducted. People can change their minds later. Civil rights protests, moreover, tend to involve a minority making demands of society at large, and so by definition begin as “unpopular” — which means that their initial unpopularity doesn’t tell us much about how they’ll ultimately be viewed.
The other lens through which to view the anthem protests — the lens Trump has used — is that they are un-American. But here, too, public opinion can shift. The Vietnam War provides a stark example. It’s now viewed as a mistake in which government officials misled the American public. During the Vietnam protests in the late 1960s, though, most Americans didn’t feel that way. Some 500,000 people marched on Washington on Nov. 15, 1969. Just 19 percent of Americans approved of these marches, according to a November 1969 CBS News poll. A whopping 77 percent disapproved of the protests. In other words, the current protests being held during the national anthem are far more popular than some of the marches conducted during the height of the Vietnam War.
But you don’t have to go back 50 years years to find a major war protest that Americans reversed themselves on. In the lead-up to the Iraq War, millions of people around the globe took to the streets to march against it. Most Americans (58 percent) disagreed with the viewpoints the protesters were articulating, according to a January 2003 Gallup poll. In fact, a minority (26 percent), including some who agreed with the protesters’ goals, said they shouldn’t even be marching. Then the actual war got under way and thousands of soldiers began dying. After just two years at war, Gallup found that a majority of Americans fairly consistently thought the war a mistake.
Of course, it’s far from guaranteed that views of the current athletes’ protests will change. Sometimes a lot of people march for a cause that is ultimately forgotten. Few probably remember the Solidarity Day march in Washington, even though a quarter of a million Americans attended it. It was staged in protest of President Ronald Reagan’s firing of 12,000 striking air-traffic controllers. A majority of Americans backed Reagan in that dispute, and the air traffic controllers’ strike is still seen as unsuccessful.
Still, the national anthem protests could be seen differently in the weeks and months ahead. Already, the players have picked up the support of personalities across the NFL after Trump launched his verbal barbs over the weekend. They included coaches, owners (many of whom backed Trump in the 2016 presidential campaign) and even the commissioner, who issued a statement opposing Trump’s remarks.
fivethirtyeight.com
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On September 27 2017 00:44 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2017 00:42 KwarK wrote:On September 27 2017 00:38 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 27 2017 00:37 brian wrote:On September 27 2017 00:33 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 27 2017 00:27 KwarK wrote:On September 27 2017 00:24 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 27 2017 00:15 KwarK wrote:On September 27 2017 00:14 RealityIsKing wrote:
Lots of people have to realize that most of the white people in the country had nothing to do with the slaving of blacks.
They didn't choose to be born as "whites". The football players don't actually think that all white people were active participants in the transatlantic slave trade. You're not understanding what the issue under discussion is. You should be embarrassed to have such a weak understanding of a subject that you're trying to be involved in. According to you, yeah. But according to facts, people these days didn't choose to be born as "white". I know it, you know it, and pretty much everybody knows it. Plus the slaves were freed too. Unless you have a time machine to go back and force all the British/French/Spanish people/empire that owned slave to pay reparation, there is no clear answer to this so-called "white supremacy" problem. Or are you willing to go back in ancestry.com to look for all the descendant of slave owners/slaves (plenty of blacks that aren't descendant of slaves just letting you know) and make descendant of slave owners pay reparation to descendant slaves? By the way, I'm not ashamed. I am a realist, not an ideologue. And according to reality, you can't go around shaming people to spread your message. The solution to the white supremacy problem is really simple. Treat black people like you treat white people. That's literally it. You're still not understanding the issue at all. You don't need a time machine to treat African Americans with respect. And again, literally nobody is saying that white people chose to be born white and should be shamed for it. That's an argument you made up in order to attack. Don't do that. Then black people(and others allies of black rights) should treat white people/others with respect too instead of using insulting, shaming tactics in violent manners. alternatively, maybe everyone regardless of race. Yes, this, 100%. There isn't a side here advocating disrespect. I sure hope not.
So what is your point?
Black people want to be treated equally.
White people are generally ok with the idea of equality.
But nothing is being done to actually make that equality happen.
So now what? Do we sit on our ass and wait for equality to happen by the hand of god?
Or should blacks keep pushing for equality and keep drawing attention to it in the hope that someday the white man gets off his ass and actually does something to bring equality closer?
Yes some people are violent. Some people are always violent. That doesn't change the message.
There is no equality and minorities do not feel like their situation is improving anymore (obv its better then 100y ago, thats not the point)
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On September 27 2017 00:45 Nevuk wrote:Some members of the chicago police department are getting reprimanded over this :
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The fist, and its association with black power, probably was not the smartest choice. Tho just kneeling would probably have seen them reprimanded aswell.
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On September 27 2017 00:33 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2017 00:27 KwarK wrote:On September 27 2017 00:24 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 27 2017 00:15 KwarK wrote:On September 27 2017 00:14 RealityIsKing wrote:
Lots of people have to realize that most of the white people in the country had nothing to do with the slaving of blacks.
They didn't choose to be born as "whites". The football players don't actually think that all white people were active participants in the transatlantic slave trade. You're not understanding what the issue under discussion is. You should be embarrassed to have such a weak understanding of a subject that you're trying to be involved in. According to you, yeah. But according to facts, people these days didn't choose to be born as "white". I know it, you know it, and pretty much everybody knows it. Plus the slaves were freed too. Unless you have a time machine to go back and force all the British/French/Spanish people/empire that owned slave to pay reparation, there is no clear answer to this so-called "white supremacy" problem. Or are you willing to go back in ancestry.com to look for all the descendant of slave owners/slaves (plenty of blacks that aren't descendant of slaves just letting you know) and make descendant of slave owners pay reparation to descendant slaves? By the way, I'm not ashamed. I am a realist, not an ideologue. And according to reality, you can't go around shaming people to spread your message. The solution to the white supremacy problem is really simple. Treat black people like you treat white people. That's literally it. You're still not understanding the issue at all. You don't need a time machine to treat African Americans with respect. And again, literally nobody is saying that white people chose to be born white and should be shamed for it. That's an argument you made up in order to attack. Don't do that. Then black people(and others allies of black rights) should treat white people/others with respect too instead of using insulting, shaming tactics in violent manners.
I'm glad we got the solutions out of the way. Now you just got to agree with what's insulting.
On September 27 2017 00:51 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2017 00:45 Nevuk wrote:Some members of the chicago police department are getting reprimanded over this : The fist, and its association with black power, probably was not the smartest choice. Tho just kneeling would probably have seen them reprimanded aswell.
Didn't you hear they're redeeming that gesture?
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On September 27 2017 00:48 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2017 00:44 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 27 2017 00:42 KwarK wrote:On September 27 2017 00:38 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 27 2017 00:37 brian wrote:On September 27 2017 00:33 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 27 2017 00:27 KwarK wrote:On September 27 2017 00:24 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 27 2017 00:15 KwarK wrote:On September 27 2017 00:14 RealityIsKing wrote:
Lots of people have to realize that most of the white people in the country had nothing to do with the slaving of blacks.
They didn't choose to be born as "whites". The football players don't actually think that all white people were active participants in the transatlantic slave trade. You're not understanding what the issue under discussion is. You should be embarrassed to have such a weak understanding of a subject that you're trying to be involved in. According to you, yeah. But according to facts, people these days didn't choose to be born as "white". I know it, you know it, and pretty much everybody knows it. Plus the slaves were freed too. Unless you have a time machine to go back and force all the British/French/Spanish people/empire that owned slave to pay reparation, there is no clear answer to this so-called "white supremacy" problem. Or are you willing to go back in ancestry.com to look for all the descendant of slave owners/slaves (plenty of blacks that aren't descendant of slaves just letting you know) and make descendant of slave owners pay reparation to descendant slaves? By the way, I'm not ashamed. I am a realist, not an ideologue. And according to reality, you can't go around shaming people to spread your message. The solution to the white supremacy problem is really simple. Treat black people like you treat white people. That's literally it. You're still not understanding the issue at all. You don't need a time machine to treat African Americans with respect. And again, literally nobody is saying that white people chose to be born white and should be shamed for it. That's an argument you made up in order to attack. Don't do that. Then black people(and others allies of black rights) should treat white people/others with respect too instead of using insulting, shaming tactics in violent manners. alternatively, maybe everyone regardless of race. Yes, this, 100%. There isn't a side here advocating disrespect. I sure hope not. Which begs the question of why you're trying to argue against those advocating disrespect when we both agree that they don't exist.
Well you are the one that said "you should be embarrassed" which essentially means "how shameful".
That's not a respectful tactic.
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He's saying you should be embarrassed about having suck weak knowledge about a subject you are voicing your opinion on. Not about being white or about white transgressions of the past or whatever you are arguing against. You really should learn to read and understand a complete argument.
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On September 27 2017 01:06 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2017 00:48 KwarK wrote:On September 27 2017 00:44 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 27 2017 00:42 KwarK wrote:On September 27 2017 00:38 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 27 2017 00:37 brian wrote:On September 27 2017 00:33 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 27 2017 00:27 KwarK wrote:On September 27 2017 00:24 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 27 2017 00:15 KwarK wrote:
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The football players don't actually think that all white people were active participants in the transatlantic slave trade. You're not understanding what the issue under discussion is. You should be embarrassed to have such a weak understanding of a subject that you're trying to be involved in. According to you, yeah. But according to facts, people these days didn't choose to be born as "white". I know it, you know it, and pretty much everybody knows it. Plus the slaves were freed too. Unless you have a time machine to go back and force all the British/French/Spanish people/empire that owned slave to pay reparation, there is no clear answer to this so-called "white supremacy" problem. Or are you willing to go back in ancestry.com to look for all the descendant of slave owners/slaves (plenty of blacks that aren't descendant of slaves just letting you know) and make descendant of slave owners pay reparation to descendant slaves? By the way, I'm not ashamed. I am a realist, not an ideologue. And according to reality, you can't go around shaming people to spread your message. The solution to the white supremacy problem is really simple. Treat black people like you treat white people. That's literally it. You're still not understanding the issue at all. You don't need a time machine to treat African Americans with respect. And again, literally nobody is saying that white people chose to be born white and should be shamed for it. That's an argument you made up in order to attack. Don't do that. Then black people(and others allies of black rights) should treat white people/others with respect too instead of using insulting, shaming tactics in violent manners. alternatively, maybe everyone regardless of race. Yes, this, 100%. There isn't a side here advocating disrespect. I sure hope not. Which begs the question of why you're trying to argue against those advocating disrespect when we both agree that they don't exist. Well you are the one that said "you should be embarrassed" which essentially means "how shameful". That's not a respectful tactic.
That was due to poor arguing against a point no one made, not being white.
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If the resident..."conservative" posters in this thread feel ashamed by being called racists, maybe they should think about why they feel that way. If i am called a son of a bitch, i am laughing at the insult because i know my mother wasn't one. If i am called racist i am not acting ashamed except if i come to realize i actually was racist. So if you feel ashamed, maybe stop doing racist things? Like waving off racism because the slaves were freed. Or act pissed about black people raising the fist and then defend the free speech of neonazis with swastikas and doing Hitler salutes.
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On September 27 2017 01:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:
He's saying you should be embarrassed about having suck weak knowledge about a subject you are voicing your opinion on. Not about being white or about white transgressions of the past or whatever you are arguing against. You really should learn to read and understand a complete argument.
And yet doesn't explain anything further than that.
"You don't understand man!" is not a good argument.
So I have to take it as a troll comment.
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On September 27 2017 01:15 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2017 01:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:
He's saying you should be embarrassed about having suck weak knowledge about a subject you are voicing your opinion on. Not about being white or about white transgressions of the past or whatever you are arguing against. You really should learn to read and understand a complete argument. And yet doesn't explain anything further than that. "You don't understand man!" is not a good argument. So I have to take it as a troll comment.
as we have to take your straw mans and rebuttals against problems you’ve created on your own.
redundant, but ultimately i think necessary.
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On September 27 2017 01:17 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2017 01:15 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 27 2017 01:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:
He's saying you should be embarrassed about having suck weak knowledge about a subject you are voicing your opinion on. Not about being white or about white transgressions of the past or whatever you are arguing against. You really should learn to read and understand a complete argument. And yet doesn't explain anything further than that. "You don't understand man!" is not a good argument. So I have to take it as a troll comment. as we have to take your straw mans and rebuttals against problems you’ve created on your own.
No I actually provide historical context and explains why shaming others for dissenting opinions while offering reason why "You don't understand man!" doesn't really add on to anything.
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On September 27 2017 01:15 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2017 01:12 Liquid`Drone wrote:
He's saying you should be embarrassed about having suck weak knowledge about a subject you are voicing your opinion on. Not about being white or about white transgressions of the past or whatever you are arguing against. You really should learn to read and understand a complete argument. And yet doesn't explain anything further than that. "You don't understand man!" is not a good argument. So I have to take it as a troll comment.
You're literally the only person in the thread who doesn't understand his explanation. Or pretends not to. You don't understand isn't meant to be an argument, it's the situation we're in. You are meant to want to improve that situation.
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On September 27 2017 01:14 Broetchenholer wrote:
If the resident..."conservative" posters in this thread feel ashamed by being called racists, maybe they should think about why they feel that way. If i am called a son of a bitch, i am laughing at the insult because i know my mother wasn't one. If i am called racist i am not acting ashamed except if i come to realize i actually was racist. So if you feel ashamed, maybe stop doing racist things? Like waving off racism because the slaves were freed. Or act pissed about black people raising the fist and then defend the free speech of neonazis with swastikas and doing Hitler salutes.
I'll go ahead and speak for the resident conservative posters on this one:
We do not feel ashamed about anything because we know that we have not done anything racist.
You are very badly missing our point. Plansix seems to be catching on, but he's not quite ready to fully embrace severity of the messaging problem that y'all have.
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On September 27 2017 01:14 Broetchenholer wrote:
If the resident..."conservative" posters in this thread feel ashamed by being called racists, maybe they should think about why they feel that way. If i am called a son of a bitch, i am laughing at the insult because i know my mother wasn't one. If i am called racist i am not acting ashamed except if i come to realize i actually was racist. So if you feel ashamed, maybe stop doing racist things? Like waving off racism because the slaves were freed. Or act pissed about black people raising the fist and then defend the free speech of neonazis with swastikas and doing Hitler salutes.
But Danglars said people's live and career can be destroyed by that claim. So they really have to take every instance of being called racist as an impossible accusation. Since we are always just coming at them calling them racist. Nothing they do warrants this. It is just us lefties trying to destroy them and all they hold dear.
I really want to reiterate one certain point: The claim of being racist is not what people default to, even though this is being claimed day in day out. People are being called racist/having racist tendencies after acting like it. The only people here I remember as being accused by GH of having a racist posting pattern are xDaunt and Danglars. And those two didnt get that as a default when they were arguing for conservative viewpoints, but after multiple long and invested discussions here.
So I always wonder where the claim of "everyone being called racist" stems from? At least in this thread I see the accusation seldomly targeted at specific posters.
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