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On September 26 2017 06:27 Nebuchad wrote:
Imagine having to pretend that the argument that "it's the wrong place to protest", coming from the people and the party who have defended the view that the protest is unfounded, is something other than a deflection.
It is much easier to understand once you realize the goal is to make it so there is no place to protest. Every place will be seen as to divisive. It is never the moment. Racial equality must wait and wait and wait until there is a moment to talk about race that will not anger or upset anyone.
Also, this is the NFL and its fans, who were upset by Beyonce backup singers having afros and pumping their fists.
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On September 26 2017 06:26 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2017 06:23 Danglars wrote:On September 26 2017 05:55 xDaunt wrote:On September 26 2017 05:36 Mohdoo wrote:On September 26 2017 05:33 xDaunt wrote:And this statement from the Steelers QB, ladies and gentlemen, is why it is always a bad idea to politicize nationalism and patriotism in this country: I was unable to sleep last night and want to share my thoughts and feelings on our team’s decision to remain in the tunnel for the National Anthem yesterday. The idea was to be unified as a team when so much attention is paid to things dividing our country, but I wish we approached it differently. We did not want to appear divided on the sideline with some standing and some kneeling or sitting.
As a team, it was not a protest of the flag or the Anthem. I personally don’t believe the Anthem is ever the time to make any type of protest. For me, and many others on my team and around the league, it is a tribute to those who commit to serve and protect our country, current and past, especially the ones that made the ultimate sacrifice.
I appreciate the unique diversity in my team and throughout the league and completely support the call for social change and the pursuit of true equality. Moving forward, I hope standing for the Anthem shows solidarity as a nation, that we stand united in respect for the people on the front lines protecting our freedom and keeping us safe. God bless those men and women. Source. The NFL knows its fucked. Trump won. He knows it, and I think he's daring democrats to join the NFL players in protesting the national anthem. Can you be more specific as to how any of this proves or shows anything? I don't see what you are seeing. The Steelers are one of the teams that stayed in the locker room during the national anthem in protest to what Trump said (I know Ben says the motive was different in his statement, but let's get real). Only one of their players came out (and uncoincidentally, he now has the most popular jersey in the country). The backlash from Steelers fans (and from NFL fans) has been more than noticeable. Big Ben is seeing it, and clearly felt compelled to publish this statement with his regrets. With a few words, Trump has routed the anthem protesters by making their actions a referendum on their patriotism instead of on the root issue of racial fairness. Yes, it's a dick a move on his part, but its effectiveness is undeniable. And in all fairness, the the protesters opened themselves up to it by it choosing the anthem as their point of protest in the first place. The cherry on top was that the protester of the protest, as it were, is a Hispanic American. This is a member of the group the liberal elite tells you must be most offended by who Trump is and what he does. He was the lone dissenter in registering this protest of Trump and racial injustice. Ben, to his credit, caught on to what crowd he doesn't want to be associated with. The kinds of people that think the flag and anthem are where you expose the country's racism. It's like the people who consider all forms of visible protest "a means to start the conversation on race" also happen to consider, "Fuck you!" a terrific start to conversations in general. You don't want to tell America that patriotism and nationalism are the enemies of the new race war. Trump's antics will take back seat and he'll enjoy a mild win (until he messes it up again, I'm sure). Front and center, brought to you by the crowd that also produced "Why you're a racist and what you can do about it" and "Conservatism is a cover for White Nationalism," we're now playing "This Country's Flag and Anthem are symbols of racial injustice to black athletes & allies." Never has anyone been so fortunate in his enemies than Donald Trump. Alright I'm out of this thread I can't take posts like this anymore lol
You didn't respond to my last reply to you. I wasn't aware you were actively in the thread right now.
On September 26 2017 06:27 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2017 06:23 Danglars wrote:On September 26 2017 05:55 xDaunt wrote:On September 26 2017 05:36 Mohdoo wrote:On September 26 2017 05:33 xDaunt wrote:And this statement from the Steelers QB, ladies and gentlemen, is why it is always a bad idea to politicize nationalism and patriotism in this country: I was unable to sleep last night and want to share my thoughts and feelings on our team’s decision to remain in the tunnel for the National Anthem yesterday. The idea was to be unified as a team when so much attention is paid to things dividing our country, but I wish we approached it differently. We did not want to appear divided on the sideline with some standing and some kneeling or sitting.
As a team, it was not a protest of the flag or the Anthem. I personally don’t believe the Anthem is ever the time to make any type of protest. For me, and many others on my team and around the league, it is a tribute to those who commit to serve and protect our country, current and past, especially the ones that made the ultimate sacrifice.
I appreciate the unique diversity in my team and throughout the league and completely support the call for social change and the pursuit of true equality. Moving forward, I hope standing for the Anthem shows solidarity as a nation, that we stand united in respect for the people on the front lines protecting our freedom and keeping us safe. God bless those men and women. Source. The NFL knows its fucked. Trump won. He knows it, and I think he's daring democrats to join the NFL players in protesting the national anthem. Can you be more specific as to how any of this proves or shows anything? I don't see what you are seeing. The Steelers are one of the teams that stayed in the locker room during the national anthem in protest to what Trump said (I know Ben says the motive was different in his statement, but let's get real). Only one of their players came out (and uncoincidentally, he now has the most popular jersey in the country). The backlash from Steelers fans (and from NFL fans) has been more than noticeable. Big Ben is seeing it, and clearly felt compelled to publish this statement with his regrets. With a few words, Trump has routed the anthem protesters by making their actions a referendum on their patriotism instead of on the root issue of racial fairness. Yes, it's a dick a move on his part, but its effectiveness is undeniable. And in all fairness, the the protesters opened themselves up to it by it choosing the anthem as their point of protest in the first place. The cherry on top was that the protester of the protest, as it were, is a Hispanic American. This is a member of the group the liberal elite tells you must be most offended by who Trump is and what he does. He was the lone dissenter in registering this protest of Trump and racial injustice. Ben, to his credit, caught on to what crowd he doesn't want to be associated with. The kinds of people that think the flag and anthem are where you expose the country's racism. It's like the people who consider all forms of visible protest "a means to start the conversation on race" also happen to consider, "Fuck you!" a terrific start to conversations in general.You don't want to tell America that patriotism and nationalism are the enemies of the new race war. Trump's antics will take back seat and he'll enjoy a mild win (until he messes it up again, I'm sure). Front and center, brought to you by the crowd that also produced "Why you're a racist and what you can do about it" and "Conservatism is a cover for White Nationalism," we're now playing "This Country's Flag and Anthem are symbols of racial injustice to black athletes & allies." Never has anyone been so fortunate in his enemies than Donald Trump. The bold part is ahistorical. The conversation started by saying "Hey you black people, you're our property now" Since then it's mostly been "Hey can we have our rights that you promised us now?" And America saying "Go Fuck Yourself" SO please stop with this bullshit "they want to start with fuck you" nonsense. It's offensively ridiculous.
You keep pretending we're back in the Civil Rights Era where you can make cogent comparisons to slavery and civil rights. Let me know when you're in 2017 and we can talk about the worst attitudes to center your movement in opposition of and we can talk about some very foolish ways to start conversations. I can't help your offense. You're being ridiculous.
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On September 26 2017 06:43 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2017 06:26 kollin wrote:On September 26 2017 06:23 Danglars wrote:On September 26 2017 05:55 xDaunt wrote:On September 26 2017 05:36 Mohdoo wrote:On September 26 2017 05:33 xDaunt wrote:And this statement from the Steelers QB, ladies and gentlemen, is why it is always a bad idea to politicize nationalism and patriotism in this country: I was unable to sleep last night and want to share my thoughts and feelings on our team’s decision to remain in the tunnel for the National Anthem yesterday. The idea was to be unified as a team when so much attention is paid to things dividing our country, but I wish we approached it differently. We did not want to appear divided on the sideline with some standing and some kneeling or sitting.
As a team, it was not a protest of the flag or the Anthem. I personally don’t believe the Anthem is ever the time to make any type of protest. For me, and many others on my team and around the league, it is a tribute to those who commit to serve and protect our country, current and past, especially the ones that made the ultimate sacrifice.
I appreciate the unique diversity in my team and throughout the league and completely support the call for social change and the pursuit of true equality. Moving forward, I hope standing for the Anthem shows solidarity as a nation, that we stand united in respect for the people on the front lines protecting our freedom and keeping us safe. God bless those men and women. Source. The NFL knows its fucked. Trump won. He knows it, and I think he's daring democrats to join the NFL players in protesting the national anthem. Can you be more specific as to how any of this proves or shows anything? I don't see what you are seeing. The Steelers are one of the teams that stayed in the locker room during the national anthem in protest to what Trump said (I know Ben says the motive was different in his statement, but let's get real). Only one of their players came out (and uncoincidentally, he now has the most popular jersey in the country). The backlash from Steelers fans (and from NFL fans) has been more than noticeable. Big Ben is seeing it, and clearly felt compelled to publish this statement with his regrets. With a few words, Trump has routed the anthem protesters by making their actions a referendum on their patriotism instead of on the root issue of racial fairness. Yes, it's a dick a move on his part, but its effectiveness is undeniable. And in all fairness, the the protesters opened themselves up to it by it choosing the anthem as their point of protest in the first place. The cherry on top was that the protester of the protest, as it were, is a Hispanic American. This is a member of the group the liberal elite tells you must be most offended by who Trump is and what he does. He was the lone dissenter in registering this protest of Trump and racial injustice. Ben, to his credit, caught on to what crowd he doesn't want to be associated with. The kinds of people that think the flag and anthem are where you expose the country's racism. It's like the people who consider all forms of visible protest "a means to start the conversation on race" also happen to consider, "Fuck you!" a terrific start to conversations in general. You don't want to tell America that patriotism and nationalism are the enemies of the new race war. Trump's antics will take back seat and he'll enjoy a mild win (until he messes it up again, I'm sure). Front and center, brought to you by the crowd that also produced "Why you're a racist and what you can do about it" and "Conservatism is a cover for White Nationalism," we're now playing "This Country's Flag and Anthem are symbols of racial injustice to black athletes & allies." Never has anyone been so fortunate in his enemies than Donald Trump. Alright I'm out of this thread I can't take posts like this anymore lol You didn't respond to my last reply to you. I wasn't aware you were actively in the thread right now. Show nested quote +On September 26 2017 06:27 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 26 2017 06:23 Danglars wrote:On September 26 2017 05:55 xDaunt wrote:On September 26 2017 05:36 Mohdoo wrote:On September 26 2017 05:33 xDaunt wrote:And this statement from the Steelers QB, ladies and gentlemen, is why it is always a bad idea to politicize nationalism and patriotism in this country: I was unable to sleep last night and want to share my thoughts and feelings on our team’s decision to remain in the tunnel for the National Anthem yesterday. The idea was to be unified as a team when so much attention is paid to things dividing our country, but I wish we approached it differently. We did not want to appear divided on the sideline with some standing and some kneeling or sitting.
As a team, it was not a protest of the flag or the Anthem. I personally don’t believe the Anthem is ever the time to make any type of protest. For me, and many others on my team and around the league, it is a tribute to those who commit to serve and protect our country, current and past, especially the ones that made the ultimate sacrifice.
I appreciate the unique diversity in my team and throughout the league and completely support the call for social change and the pursuit of true equality. Moving forward, I hope standing for the Anthem shows solidarity as a nation, that we stand united in respect for the people on the front lines protecting our freedom and keeping us safe. God bless those men and women. Source. The NFL knows its fucked. Trump won. He knows it, and I think he's daring democrats to join the NFL players in protesting the national anthem. Can you be more specific as to how any of this proves or shows anything? I don't see what you are seeing. The Steelers are one of the teams that stayed in the locker room during the national anthem in protest to what Trump said (I know Ben says the motive was different in his statement, but let's get real). Only one of their players came out (and uncoincidentally, he now has the most popular jersey in the country). The backlash from Steelers fans (and from NFL fans) has been more than noticeable. Big Ben is seeing it, and clearly felt compelled to publish this statement with his regrets. With a few words, Trump has routed the anthem protesters by making their actions a referendum on their patriotism instead of on the root issue of racial fairness. Yes, it's a dick a move on his part, but its effectiveness is undeniable. And in all fairness, the the protesters opened themselves up to it by it choosing the anthem as their point of protest in the first place. The cherry on top was that the protester of the protest, as it were, is a Hispanic American. This is a member of the group the liberal elite tells you must be most offended by who Trump is and what he does. He was the lone dissenter in registering this protest of Trump and racial injustice. Ben, to his credit, caught on to what crowd he doesn't want to be associated with. The kinds of people that think the flag and anthem are where you expose the country's racism. It's like the people who consider all forms of visible protest "a means to start the conversation on race" also happen to consider, "Fuck you!" a terrific start to conversations in general.You don't want to tell America that patriotism and nationalism are the enemies of the new race war. Trump's antics will take back seat and he'll enjoy a mild win (until he messes it up again, I'm sure). Front and center, brought to you by the crowd that also produced "Why you're a racist and what you can do about it" and "Conservatism is a cover for White Nationalism," we're now playing "This Country's Flag and Anthem are symbols of racial injustice to black athletes & allies." Never has anyone been so fortunate in his enemies than Donald Trump. The bold part is ahistorical. The conversation started by saying "Hey you black people, you're our property now" Since then it's mostly been "Hey can we have our rights that you promised us now?" And America saying "Go Fuck Yourself" SO please stop with this bullshit "they want to start with fuck you" nonsense. It's offensively ridiculous. You keep pretending we're back in the Civil Rights Era where you can make cogent comparisons to slavery and civil rights. Let me know when you're in 2017 and we can talk about the worst attitudes to center your movement in opposition of and we can talk about some very foolish ways to start conversations. I can't help your offense. You're being ridiculous.
You're using ahistorical analysis and intentional ignorance to pretend as if you're simply advancing the white supremacy narrative out of some good natured paternal effort to help the fractionally (in your eyes) legitimate part of the efforts. It disgusts me on a visceral level to see something so repugnant being repeated ad nauseam.
Go shit on NASCAR for mandating people worship the flag for a while if you have to keep on about this nonsense.
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so apparently he's getting all this attention due to a miscommunication or something.
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On September 26 2017 06:48 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2017 06:43 Danglars wrote:On September 26 2017 06:26 kollin wrote:On September 26 2017 06:23 Danglars wrote:On September 26 2017 05:55 xDaunt wrote:On September 26 2017 05:36 Mohdoo wrote:On September 26 2017 05:33 xDaunt wrote:And this statement from the Steelers QB, ladies and gentlemen, is why it is always a bad idea to politicize nationalism and patriotism in this country: I was unable to sleep last night and want to share my thoughts and feelings on our team’s decision to remain in the tunnel for the National Anthem yesterday. The idea was to be unified as a team when so much attention is paid to things dividing our country, but I wish we approached it differently. We did not want to appear divided on the sideline with some standing and some kneeling or sitting.
As a team, it was not a protest of the flag or the Anthem. I personally don’t believe the Anthem is ever the time to make any type of protest. For me, and many others on my team and around the league, it is a tribute to those who commit to serve and protect our country, current and past, especially the ones that made the ultimate sacrifice.
I appreciate the unique diversity in my team and throughout the league and completely support the call for social change and the pursuit of true equality. Moving forward, I hope standing for the Anthem shows solidarity as a nation, that we stand united in respect for the people on the front lines protecting our freedom and keeping us safe. God bless those men and women. Source. The NFL knows its fucked. Trump won. He knows it, and I think he's daring democrats to join the NFL players in protesting the national anthem. Can you be more specific as to how any of this proves or shows anything? I don't see what you are seeing. The Steelers are one of the teams that stayed in the locker room during the national anthem in protest to what Trump said (I know Ben says the motive was different in his statement, but let's get real). Only one of their players came out (and uncoincidentally, he now has the most popular jersey in the country). The backlash from Steelers fans (and from NFL fans) has been more than noticeable. Big Ben is seeing it, and clearly felt compelled to publish this statement with his regrets. With a few words, Trump has routed the anthem protesters by making their actions a referendum on their patriotism instead of on the root issue of racial fairness. Yes, it's a dick a move on his part, but its effectiveness is undeniable. And in all fairness, the the protesters opened themselves up to it by it choosing the anthem as their point of protest in the first place. The cherry on top was that the protester of the protest, as it were, is a Hispanic American. This is a member of the group the liberal elite tells you must be most offended by who Trump is and what he does. He was the lone dissenter in registering this protest of Trump and racial injustice. Ben, to his credit, caught on to what crowd he doesn't want to be associated with. The kinds of people that think the flag and anthem are where you expose the country's racism. It's like the people who consider all forms of visible protest "a means to start the conversation on race" also happen to consider, "Fuck you!" a terrific start to conversations in general. You don't want to tell America that patriotism and nationalism are the enemies of the new race war. Trump's antics will take back seat and he'll enjoy a mild win (until he messes it up again, I'm sure). Front and center, brought to you by the crowd that also produced "Why you're a racist and what you can do about it" and "Conservatism is a cover for White Nationalism," we're now playing "This Country's Flag and Anthem are symbols of racial injustice to black athletes & allies." Never has anyone been so fortunate in his enemies than Donald Trump. Alright I'm out of this thread I can't take posts like this anymore lol You didn't respond to my last reply to you. I wasn't aware you were actively in the thread right now. On September 26 2017 06:27 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 26 2017 06:23 Danglars wrote:On September 26 2017 05:55 xDaunt wrote:On September 26 2017 05:36 Mohdoo wrote:On September 26 2017 05:33 xDaunt wrote:And this statement from the Steelers QB, ladies and gentlemen, is why it is always a bad idea to politicize nationalism and patriotism in this country: I was unable to sleep last night and want to share my thoughts and feelings on our team’s decision to remain in the tunnel for the National Anthem yesterday. The idea was to be unified as a team when so much attention is paid to things dividing our country, but I wish we approached it differently. We did not want to appear divided on the sideline with some standing and some kneeling or sitting.
As a team, it was not a protest of the flag or the Anthem. I personally don’t believe the Anthem is ever the time to make any type of protest. For me, and many others on my team and around the league, it is a tribute to those who commit to serve and protect our country, current and past, especially the ones that made the ultimate sacrifice.
I appreciate the unique diversity in my team and throughout the league and completely support the call for social change and the pursuit of true equality. Moving forward, I hope standing for the Anthem shows solidarity as a nation, that we stand united in respect for the people on the front lines protecting our freedom and keeping us safe. God bless those men and women. Source. The NFL knows its fucked. Trump won. He knows it, and I think he's daring democrats to join the NFL players in protesting the national anthem. Can you be more specific as to how any of this proves or shows anything? I don't see what you are seeing. The Steelers are one of the teams that stayed in the locker room during the national anthem in protest to what Trump said (I know Ben says the motive was different in his statement, but let's get real). Only one of their players came out (and uncoincidentally, he now has the most popular jersey in the country). The backlash from Steelers fans (and from NFL fans) has been more than noticeable. Big Ben is seeing it, and clearly felt compelled to publish this statement with his regrets. With a few words, Trump has routed the anthem protesters by making their actions a referendum on their patriotism instead of on the root issue of racial fairness. Yes, it's a dick a move on his part, but its effectiveness is undeniable. And in all fairness, the the protesters opened themselves up to it by it choosing the anthem as their point of protest in the first place. The cherry on top was that the protester of the protest, as it were, is a Hispanic American. This is a member of the group the liberal elite tells you must be most offended by who Trump is and what he does. He was the lone dissenter in registering this protest of Trump and racial injustice. Ben, to his credit, caught on to what crowd he doesn't want to be associated with. The kinds of people that think the flag and anthem are where you expose the country's racism. It's like the people who consider all forms of visible protest "a means to start the conversation on race" also happen to consider, "Fuck you!" a terrific start to conversations in general.You don't want to tell America that patriotism and nationalism are the enemies of the new race war. Trump's antics will take back seat and he'll enjoy a mild win (until he messes it up again, I'm sure). Front and center, brought to you by the crowd that also produced "Why you're a racist and what you can do about it" and "Conservatism is a cover for White Nationalism," we're now playing "This Country's Flag and Anthem are symbols of racial injustice to black athletes & allies." Never has anyone been so fortunate in his enemies than Donald Trump. The bold part is ahistorical. The conversation started by saying "Hey you black people, you're our property now" Since then it's mostly been "Hey can we have our rights that you promised us now?" And America saying "Go Fuck Yourself" SO please stop with this bullshit "they want to start with fuck you" nonsense. It's offensively ridiculous. You keep pretending we're back in the Civil Rights Era where you can make cogent comparisons to slavery and civil rights. Let me know when you're in 2017 and we can talk about the worst attitudes to center your movement in opposition of and we can talk about some very foolish ways to start conversations. I can't help your offense. You're being ridiculous. You're using ahistorical analysis and intentional ignorance to pretend as if you're simply advancing the white supremacy narrative out of some good natured paternal effort to help the fractionally (in your eyes) legitimate part of the efforts. It disgusts me on a visceral level to see something so repugnant being repeated ad nauseam. Go shit on NASCAR for mandating people worship the flag for a while if you have to keep on about this nonsense.
You are forgetting the critical conservative premise:
All legitimate civil rights and racial issues died the same day King died. Everything since has been race hustling by black racists and their white hating liberal allies.
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I hope this debacle over the flag and national anthem will have people open up the U.S. Flag Code to realize blatant disrespect of the Stars and Stripes is everywhere.
The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.
For all the near religious adoration you see it accompanied with, and it now being the topic of divisiveness over patriotism, there seems to be a general lack of awareness regarding its proper usage. It's only fair if this debate is sparked now that Americans, especially the ones on the side of the flag patriots, pick out these other forms of contempt and root them out.
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On September 26 2017 06:52 PhoenixVoid wrote:I hope this debacle over the flag and national anthem will have people open up the U.S. Flag Code to realize blatant disrespect of the Stars and Stripes is everywhere. Show nested quote + The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general. For all the near religious adoration you see it accompanied with, and it now being the topic of divisiveness over patriotism, there seems to be a general lack of awareness regarding its proper usage. It's only fair if this debate is sparked now that Americans, especially the ones on the side of the flag patriots, pick out these other forms of contempt and root them out.
That's why I'm saying pretending this has anything to do with the flag or anthem as portrayed by those like Danglars or xDaunt is beyond disingenuous and outright insulting all of our intelligences.
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On September 26 2017 06:52 PhoenixVoid wrote:I hope this debacle over the flag and national anthem will have people open up the U.S. Flag Code to realize blatant disrespect of the Stars and Stripes is everywhere. Show nested quote + The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general. For all the near religious adoration you see it accompanied with, and it now being the topic of divisiveness over patriotism, there seems to be a general lack of awareness regarding its proper usage. It's only fair if this debate is sparked now that Americans pick out these other forms of contempt and root them out.
My old neighbor got fined in the 1980s for having his flag out in the rain. We had a town ordinance saying that flags had to be taken in when it rained. Also part of the U.S. Flag Cod. They don’t enforce it anymore.
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On September 26 2017 06:48 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2017 06:43 Danglars wrote:On September 26 2017 06:26 kollin wrote:On September 26 2017 06:23 Danglars wrote:On September 26 2017 05:55 xDaunt wrote:On September 26 2017 05:36 Mohdoo wrote:On September 26 2017 05:33 xDaunt wrote:And this statement from the Steelers QB, ladies and gentlemen, is why it is always a bad idea to politicize nationalism and patriotism in this country: I was unable to sleep last night and want to share my thoughts and feelings on our team’s decision to remain in the tunnel for the National Anthem yesterday. The idea was to be unified as a team when so much attention is paid to things dividing our country, but I wish we approached it differently. We did not want to appear divided on the sideline with some standing and some kneeling or sitting.
As a team, it was not a protest of the flag or the Anthem. I personally don’t believe the Anthem is ever the time to make any type of protest. For me, and many others on my team and around the league, it is a tribute to those who commit to serve and protect our country, current and past, especially the ones that made the ultimate sacrifice.
I appreciate the unique diversity in my team and throughout the league and completely support the call for social change and the pursuit of true equality. Moving forward, I hope standing for the Anthem shows solidarity as a nation, that we stand united in respect for the people on the front lines protecting our freedom and keeping us safe. God bless those men and women. Source. The NFL knows its fucked. Trump won. He knows it, and I think he's daring democrats to join the NFL players in protesting the national anthem. Can you be more specific as to how any of this proves or shows anything? I don't see what you are seeing. The Steelers are one of the teams that stayed in the locker room during the national anthem in protest to what Trump said (I know Ben says the motive was different in his statement, but let's get real). Only one of their players came out (and uncoincidentally, he now has the most popular jersey in the country). The backlash from Steelers fans (and from NFL fans) has been more than noticeable. Big Ben is seeing it, and clearly felt compelled to publish this statement with his regrets. With a few words, Trump has routed the anthem protesters by making their actions a referendum on their patriotism instead of on the root issue of racial fairness. Yes, it's a dick a move on his part, but its effectiveness is undeniable. And in all fairness, the the protesters opened themselves up to it by it choosing the anthem as their point of protest in the first place. The cherry on top was that the protester of the protest, as it were, is a Hispanic American. This is a member of the group the liberal elite tells you must be most offended by who Trump is and what he does. He was the lone dissenter in registering this protest of Trump and racial injustice. Ben, to his credit, caught on to what crowd he doesn't want to be associated with. The kinds of people that think the flag and anthem are where you expose the country's racism. It's like the people who consider all forms of visible protest "a means to start the conversation on race" also happen to consider, "Fuck you!" a terrific start to conversations in general. You don't want to tell America that patriotism and nationalism are the enemies of the new race war. Trump's antics will take back seat and he'll enjoy a mild win (until he messes it up again, I'm sure). Front and center, brought to you by the crowd that also produced "Why you're a racist and what you can do about it" and "Conservatism is a cover for White Nationalism," we're now playing "This Country's Flag and Anthem are symbols of racial injustice to black athletes & allies." Never has anyone been so fortunate in his enemies than Donald Trump. Alright I'm out of this thread I can't take posts like this anymore lol You didn't respond to my last reply to you. I wasn't aware you were actively in the thread right now. On September 26 2017 06:27 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 26 2017 06:23 Danglars wrote:On September 26 2017 05:55 xDaunt wrote:On September 26 2017 05:36 Mohdoo wrote:On September 26 2017 05:33 xDaunt wrote:And this statement from the Steelers QB, ladies and gentlemen, is why it is always a bad idea to politicize nationalism and patriotism in this country: I was unable to sleep last night and want to share my thoughts and feelings on our team’s decision to remain in the tunnel for the National Anthem yesterday. The idea was to be unified as a team when so much attention is paid to things dividing our country, but I wish we approached it differently. We did not want to appear divided on the sideline with some standing and some kneeling or sitting.
As a team, it was not a protest of the flag or the Anthem. I personally don’t believe the Anthem is ever the time to make any type of protest. For me, and many others on my team and around the league, it is a tribute to those who commit to serve and protect our country, current and past, especially the ones that made the ultimate sacrifice.
I appreciate the unique diversity in my team and throughout the league and completely support the call for social change and the pursuit of true equality. Moving forward, I hope standing for the Anthem shows solidarity as a nation, that we stand united in respect for the people on the front lines protecting our freedom and keeping us safe. God bless those men and women. Source. The NFL knows its fucked. Trump won. He knows it, and I think he's daring democrats to join the NFL players in protesting the national anthem. Can you be more specific as to how any of this proves or shows anything? I don't see what you are seeing. The Steelers are one of the teams that stayed in the locker room during the national anthem in protest to what Trump said (I know Ben says the motive was different in his statement, but let's get real). Only one of their players came out (and uncoincidentally, he now has the most popular jersey in the country). The backlash from Steelers fans (and from NFL fans) has been more than noticeable. Big Ben is seeing it, and clearly felt compelled to publish this statement with his regrets. With a few words, Trump has routed the anthem protesters by making their actions a referendum on their patriotism instead of on the root issue of racial fairness. Yes, it's a dick a move on his part, but its effectiveness is undeniable. And in all fairness, the the protesters opened themselves up to it by it choosing the anthem as their point of protest in the first place. The cherry on top was that the protester of the protest, as it were, is a Hispanic American. This is a member of the group the liberal elite tells you must be most offended by who Trump is and what he does. He was the lone dissenter in registering this protest of Trump and racial injustice. Ben, to his credit, caught on to what crowd he doesn't want to be associated with. The kinds of people that think the flag and anthem are where you expose the country's racism. It's like the people who consider all forms of visible protest "a means to start the conversation on race" also happen to consider, "Fuck you!" a terrific start to conversations in general.You don't want to tell America that patriotism and nationalism are the enemies of the new race war. Trump's antics will take back seat and he'll enjoy a mild win (until he messes it up again, I'm sure). Front and center, brought to you by the crowd that also produced "Why you're a racist and what you can do about it" and "Conservatism is a cover for White Nationalism," we're now playing "This Country's Flag and Anthem are symbols of racial injustice to black athletes & allies." Never has anyone been so fortunate in his enemies than Donald Trump. The bold part is ahistorical. The conversation started by saying "Hey you black people, you're our property now" Since then it's mostly been "Hey can we have our rights that you promised us now?" And America saying "Go Fuck Yourself" SO please stop with this bullshit "they want to start with fuck you" nonsense. It's offensively ridiculous. You keep pretending we're back in the Civil Rights Era where you can make cogent comparisons to slavery and civil rights. Let me know when you're in 2017 and we can talk about the worst attitudes to center your movement in opposition of and we can talk about some very foolish ways to start conversations. I can't help your offense. You're being ridiculous. You're using ahistorical analysis and intentional ignorance to pretend as if you're simply advancing the white supremacy narrative out of some good natured paternal effort to help the fractionally (in your eyes) legitimate part of the efforts. It disgusts me on a visceral level to see something so repugnant being repeated ad nauseam. Go shit on NASCAR for mandating people worship the flag for a while if you have to keep on about this nonsense.
I phrased my comment in the circumstances and atmosphere of today. You keep wanting to time-machine back to past eras, which is an obvious attempt to recenter on more familiar ground. Your disgust maybe is maybe also in the 1960s, so I must ask you to take your disgust, repugnance, and offense to today's era. If your only defense is saying how my analysis would be wrong if both of us lived and talked fifty decades ago, I think your problem is a dearth of evidence and argumentation for your point.
I still haven't seen any examination of my comment other than bolding a sentence and calling it ahistorical. I think your current protests also need to actually engage if you desire engagement. You're proving that engagement is the least of your worries.
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On September 26 2017 06:57 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2017 06:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 26 2017 06:43 Danglars wrote:On September 26 2017 06:26 kollin wrote:On September 26 2017 06:23 Danglars wrote:On September 26 2017 05:55 xDaunt wrote:On September 26 2017 05:36 Mohdoo wrote:On September 26 2017 05:33 xDaunt wrote:And this statement from the Steelers QB, ladies and gentlemen, is why it is always a bad idea to politicize nationalism and patriotism in this country: I was unable to sleep last night and want to share my thoughts and feelings on our team’s decision to remain in the tunnel for the National Anthem yesterday. The idea was to be unified as a team when so much attention is paid to things dividing our country, but I wish we approached it differently. We did not want to appear divided on the sideline with some standing and some kneeling or sitting.
As a team, it was not a protest of the flag or the Anthem. I personally don’t believe the Anthem is ever the time to make any type of protest. For me, and many others on my team and around the league, it is a tribute to those who commit to serve and protect our country, current and past, especially the ones that made the ultimate sacrifice.
I appreciate the unique diversity in my team and throughout the league and completely support the call for social change and the pursuit of true equality. Moving forward, I hope standing for the Anthem shows solidarity as a nation, that we stand united in respect for the people on the front lines protecting our freedom and keeping us safe. God bless those men and women. Source. The NFL knows its fucked. Trump won. He knows it, and I think he's daring democrats to join the NFL players in protesting the national anthem. Can you be more specific as to how any of this proves or shows anything? I don't see what you are seeing. The Steelers are one of the teams that stayed in the locker room during the national anthem in protest to what Trump said (I know Ben says the motive was different in his statement, but let's get real). Only one of their players came out (and uncoincidentally, he now has the most popular jersey in the country). The backlash from Steelers fans (and from NFL fans) has been more than noticeable. Big Ben is seeing it, and clearly felt compelled to publish this statement with his regrets. With a few words, Trump has routed the anthem protesters by making their actions a referendum on their patriotism instead of on the root issue of racial fairness. Yes, it's a dick a move on his part, but its effectiveness is undeniable. And in all fairness, the the protesters opened themselves up to it by it choosing the anthem as their point of protest in the first place. The cherry on top was that the protester of the protest, as it were, is a Hispanic American. This is a member of the group the liberal elite tells you must be most offended by who Trump is and what he does. He was the lone dissenter in registering this protest of Trump and racial injustice. Ben, to his credit, caught on to what crowd he doesn't want to be associated with. The kinds of people that think the flag and anthem are where you expose the country's racism. It's like the people who consider all forms of visible protest "a means to start the conversation on race" also happen to consider, "Fuck you!" a terrific start to conversations in general. You don't want to tell America that patriotism and nationalism are the enemies of the new race war. Trump's antics will take back seat and he'll enjoy a mild win (until he messes it up again, I'm sure). Front and center, brought to you by the crowd that also produced "Why you're a racist and what you can do about it" and "Conservatism is a cover for White Nationalism," we're now playing "This Country's Flag and Anthem are symbols of racial injustice to black athletes & allies." Never has anyone been so fortunate in his enemies than Donald Trump. Alright I'm out of this thread I can't take posts like this anymore lol You didn't respond to my last reply to you. I wasn't aware you were actively in the thread right now. On September 26 2017 06:27 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 26 2017 06:23 Danglars wrote:On September 26 2017 05:55 xDaunt wrote:On September 26 2017 05:36 Mohdoo wrote:On September 26 2017 05:33 xDaunt wrote:And this statement from the Steelers QB, ladies and gentlemen, is why it is always a bad idea to politicize nationalism and patriotism in this country: I was unable to sleep last night and want to share my thoughts and feelings on our team’s decision to remain in the tunnel for the National Anthem yesterday. The idea was to be unified as a team when so much attention is paid to things dividing our country, but I wish we approached it differently. We did not want to appear divided on the sideline with some standing and some kneeling or sitting.
As a team, it was not a protest of the flag or the Anthem. I personally don’t believe the Anthem is ever the time to make any type of protest. For me, and many others on my team and around the league, it is a tribute to those who commit to serve and protect our country, current and past, especially the ones that made the ultimate sacrifice.
I appreciate the unique diversity in my team and throughout the league and completely support the call for social change and the pursuit of true equality. Moving forward, I hope standing for the Anthem shows solidarity as a nation, that we stand united in respect for the people on the front lines protecting our freedom and keeping us safe. God bless those men and women. Source. The NFL knows its fucked. Trump won. He knows it, and I think he's daring democrats to join the NFL players in protesting the national anthem. Can you be more specific as to how any of this proves or shows anything? I don't see what you are seeing. The Steelers are one of the teams that stayed in the locker room during the national anthem in protest to what Trump said (I know Ben says the motive was different in his statement, but let's get real). Only one of their players came out (and uncoincidentally, he now has the most popular jersey in the country). The backlash from Steelers fans (and from NFL fans) has been more than noticeable. Big Ben is seeing it, and clearly felt compelled to publish this statement with his regrets. With a few words, Trump has routed the anthem protesters by making their actions a referendum on their patriotism instead of on the root issue of racial fairness. Yes, it's a dick a move on his part, but its effectiveness is undeniable. And in all fairness, the the protesters opened themselves up to it by it choosing the anthem as their point of protest in the first place. The cherry on top was that the protester of the protest, as it were, is a Hispanic American. This is a member of the group the liberal elite tells you must be most offended by who Trump is and what he does. He was the lone dissenter in registering this protest of Trump and racial injustice. Ben, to his credit, caught on to what crowd he doesn't want to be associated with. The kinds of people that think the flag and anthem are where you expose the country's racism. It's like the people who consider all forms of visible protest "a means to start the conversation on race" also happen to consider, "Fuck you!" a terrific start to conversations in general.You don't want to tell America that patriotism and nationalism are the enemies of the new race war. Trump's antics will take back seat and he'll enjoy a mild win (until he messes it up again, I'm sure). Front and center, brought to you by the crowd that also produced "Why you're a racist and what you can do about it" and "Conservatism is a cover for White Nationalism," we're now playing "This Country's Flag and Anthem are symbols of racial injustice to black athletes & allies." Never has anyone been so fortunate in his enemies than Donald Trump. The bold part is ahistorical. The conversation started by saying "Hey you black people, you're our property now" Since then it's mostly been "Hey can we have our rights that you promised us now?" And America saying "Go Fuck Yourself" SO please stop with this bullshit "they want to start with fuck you" nonsense. It's offensively ridiculous. You keep pretending we're back in the Civil Rights Era where you can make cogent comparisons to slavery and civil rights. Let me know when you're in 2017 and we can talk about the worst attitudes to center your movement in opposition of and we can talk about some very foolish ways to start conversations. I can't help your offense. You're being ridiculous. You're using ahistorical analysis and intentional ignorance to pretend as if you're simply advancing the white supremacy narrative out of some good natured paternal effort to help the fractionally (in your eyes) legitimate part of the efforts. It disgusts me on a visceral level to see something so repugnant being repeated ad nauseam. Go shit on NASCAR for mandating people worship the flag for a while if you have to keep on about this nonsense. I phrased my comment in the circumstances and atmosphere of today. You keep wanting to time-machine back to past eras, which is an obvious attempt to recenter on more familiar ground. Your disgust maybe is maybe also in the 1960s, so I must ask you to take your disgust, repugnance, and offense to today's era. If your only defense is saying how my analysis would be wrong if both of us lived and talked fifty decades ago, I think your problem is a dearth of evidence and argumentation for your point. I still haven't seen any examination of my comment other than bolding a sentence and calling it ahistorical. I think your current protests also need to actually engage if you desire engagement. You're proving that engagement is the least of your worries.
C'mon Dangles, you and I got to get back to our plantations to watch the slaves.
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NASCAR turned the flag and anthem into marketing. NASCAR fans are patriotic and love their country. Please buy 5 NASCAR branded flags to show how much you love the USA.
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I just cringed myself out of existence. What the fuck is that absolute horse shit? Lol Can we escalate nuclear war with those guys?
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On September 26 2017 06:57 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2017 06:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 26 2017 06:43 Danglars wrote:On September 26 2017 06:26 kollin wrote:On September 26 2017 06:23 Danglars wrote:On September 26 2017 05:55 xDaunt wrote:On September 26 2017 05:36 Mohdoo wrote:On September 26 2017 05:33 xDaunt wrote:And this statement from the Steelers QB, ladies and gentlemen, is why it is always a bad idea to politicize nationalism and patriotism in this country: I was unable to sleep last night and want to share my thoughts and feelings on our team’s decision to remain in the tunnel for the National Anthem yesterday. The idea was to be unified as a team when so much attention is paid to things dividing our country, but I wish we approached it differently. We did not want to appear divided on the sideline with some standing and some kneeling or sitting.
As a team, it was not a protest of the flag or the Anthem. I personally don’t believe the Anthem is ever the time to make any type of protest. For me, and many others on my team and around the league, it is a tribute to those who commit to serve and protect our country, current and past, especially the ones that made the ultimate sacrifice.
I appreciate the unique diversity in my team and throughout the league and completely support the call for social change and the pursuit of true equality. Moving forward, I hope standing for the Anthem shows solidarity as a nation, that we stand united in respect for the people on the front lines protecting our freedom and keeping us safe. God bless those men and women. Source. The NFL knows its fucked. Trump won. He knows it, and I think he's daring democrats to join the NFL players in protesting the national anthem. Can you be more specific as to how any of this proves or shows anything? I don't see what you are seeing. The Steelers are one of the teams that stayed in the locker room during the national anthem in protest to what Trump said (I know Ben says the motive was different in his statement, but let's get real). Only one of their players came out (and uncoincidentally, he now has the most popular jersey in the country). The backlash from Steelers fans (and from NFL fans) has been more than noticeable. Big Ben is seeing it, and clearly felt compelled to publish this statement with his regrets. With a few words, Trump has routed the anthem protesters by making their actions a referendum on their patriotism instead of on the root issue of racial fairness. Yes, it's a dick a move on his part, but its effectiveness is undeniable. And in all fairness, the the protesters opened themselves up to it by it choosing the anthem as their point of protest in the first place. The cherry on top was that the protester of the protest, as it were, is a Hispanic American. This is a member of the group the liberal elite tells you must be most offended by who Trump is and what he does. He was the lone dissenter in registering this protest of Trump and racial injustice. Ben, to his credit, caught on to what crowd he doesn't want to be associated with. The kinds of people that think the flag and anthem are where you expose the country's racism. It's like the people who consider all forms of visible protest "a means to start the conversation on race" also happen to consider, "Fuck you!" a terrific start to conversations in general. You don't want to tell America that patriotism and nationalism are the enemies of the new race war. Trump's antics will take back seat and he'll enjoy a mild win (until he messes it up again, I'm sure). Front and center, brought to you by the crowd that also produced "Why you're a racist and what you can do about it" and "Conservatism is a cover for White Nationalism," we're now playing "This Country's Flag and Anthem are symbols of racial injustice to black athletes & allies." Never has anyone been so fortunate in his enemies than Donald Trump. Alright I'm out of this thread I can't take posts like this anymore lol You didn't respond to my last reply to you. I wasn't aware you were actively in the thread right now. On September 26 2017 06:27 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 26 2017 06:23 Danglars wrote:On September 26 2017 05:55 xDaunt wrote:On September 26 2017 05:36 Mohdoo wrote:On September 26 2017 05:33 xDaunt wrote:And this statement from the Steelers QB, ladies and gentlemen, is why it is always a bad idea to politicize nationalism and patriotism in this country: I was unable to sleep last night and want to share my thoughts and feelings on our team’s decision to remain in the tunnel for the National Anthem yesterday. The idea was to be unified as a team when so much attention is paid to things dividing our country, but I wish we approached it differently. We did not want to appear divided on the sideline with some standing and some kneeling or sitting.
As a team, it was not a protest of the flag or the Anthem. I personally don’t believe the Anthem is ever the time to make any type of protest. For me, and many others on my team and around the league, it is a tribute to those who commit to serve and protect our country, current and past, especially the ones that made the ultimate sacrifice.
I appreciate the unique diversity in my team and throughout the league and completely support the call for social change and the pursuit of true equality. Moving forward, I hope standing for the Anthem shows solidarity as a nation, that we stand united in respect for the people on the front lines protecting our freedom and keeping us safe. God bless those men and women. Source. The NFL knows its fucked. Trump won. He knows it, and I think he's daring democrats to join the NFL players in protesting the national anthem. Can you be more specific as to how any of this proves or shows anything? I don't see what you are seeing. The Steelers are one of the teams that stayed in the locker room during the national anthem in protest to what Trump said (I know Ben says the motive was different in his statement, but let's get real). Only one of their players came out (and uncoincidentally, he now has the most popular jersey in the country). The backlash from Steelers fans (and from NFL fans) has been more than noticeable. Big Ben is seeing it, and clearly felt compelled to publish this statement with his regrets. With a few words, Trump has routed the anthem protesters by making their actions a referendum on their patriotism instead of on the root issue of racial fairness. Yes, it's a dick a move on his part, but its effectiveness is undeniable. And in all fairness, the the protesters opened themselves up to it by it choosing the anthem as their point of protest in the first place. The cherry on top was that the protester of the protest, as it were, is a Hispanic American. This is a member of the group the liberal elite tells you must be most offended by who Trump is and what he does. He was the lone dissenter in registering this protest of Trump and racial injustice. Ben, to his credit, caught on to what crowd he doesn't want to be associated with. The kinds of people that think the flag and anthem are where you expose the country's racism. It's like the people who consider all forms of visible protest "a means to start the conversation on race" also happen to consider, "Fuck you!" a terrific start to conversations in general.You don't want to tell America that patriotism and nationalism are the enemies of the new race war. Trump's antics will take back seat and he'll enjoy a mild win (until he messes it up again, I'm sure). Front and center, brought to you by the crowd that also produced "Why you're a racist and what you can do about it" and "Conservatism is a cover for White Nationalism," we're now playing "This Country's Flag and Anthem are symbols of racial injustice to black athletes & allies." Never has anyone been so fortunate in his enemies than Donald Trump. The bold part is ahistorical. The conversation started by saying "Hey you black people, you're our property now" Since then it's mostly been "Hey can we have our rights that you promised us now?" And America saying "Go Fuck Yourself" SO please stop with this bullshit "they want to start with fuck you" nonsense. It's offensively ridiculous. You keep pretending we're back in the Civil Rights Era where you can make cogent comparisons to slavery and civil rights. Let me know when you're in 2017 and we can talk about the worst attitudes to center your movement in opposition of and we can talk about some very foolish ways to start conversations. I can't help your offense. You're being ridiculous. You're using ahistorical analysis and intentional ignorance to pretend as if you're simply advancing the white supremacy narrative out of some good natured paternal effort to help the fractionally (in your eyes) legitimate part of the efforts. It disgusts me on a visceral level to see something so repugnant being repeated ad nauseam. Go shit on NASCAR for mandating people worship the flag for a while if you have to keep on about this nonsense. I phrased my comment in the circumstances and atmosphere of today. You keep wanting to time-machine back to past eras, which is an obvious attempt to recenter on more familiar ground. Your disgust maybe is maybe also in the 1960s, so I must ask you to take your disgust, repugnance, and offense to today's era. If your only defense is saying how my analysis would be wrong if both of us lived and talked fifty decades ago, I think your problem is a dearth of evidence and argumentation for your point. I still haven't seen any examination of my comment other than bolding a sentence and calling it ahistorical. I think your current protests also need to actually engage if you desire engagement. You're proving that engagement is the least of your worries.
My god this is silly.
You don't just get to arbitrarily say the conversation started after MLK was targeted by the FBI and (coincidentally) assassinated. I know in circles of white privilege this makes sense, but outside, where white fragility isn't impenetrable, we can point out how absurd such an effort is and why the conversation never stopped and you can't just, for the sake of your trash argument, say it did.
I have previously examined and pointed out why the other points were preposterous and intentionally singled out what I saw as a new, but comparably ridiculous argument.
I'm not sure what you mean by "[my] current protests" but you're right if you're saying that rather than engage in rehashing why you're so absurdly wrong about several of your points, I'm just not going to let you repeat them without challenging them for how wrong they are.
I don't expect you'll stop, but I expect people will continue to increasingly become aware of just how absurd they are.
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So that's it then, it's dead for sure now? McCain already said no, thankfully. How many times is it now that Republicans have tried repealing Obamacare? They always get their hopes up, but they can't be bothered to write a bill that makes sense, so they can't even vote for it. Their own bill. What a fucking joke.
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On September 26 2017 07:07 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2017 06:57 Danglars wrote:On September 26 2017 06:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 26 2017 06:43 Danglars wrote:On September 26 2017 06:26 kollin wrote:On September 26 2017 06:23 Danglars wrote:On September 26 2017 05:55 xDaunt wrote:On September 26 2017 05:36 Mohdoo wrote:On September 26 2017 05:33 xDaunt wrote:And this statement from the Steelers QB, ladies and gentlemen, is why it is always a bad idea to politicize nationalism and patriotism in this country: I was unable to sleep last night and want to share my thoughts and feelings on our team’s decision to remain in the tunnel for the National Anthem yesterday. The idea was to be unified as a team when so much attention is paid to things dividing our country, but I wish we approached it differently. We did not want to appear divided on the sideline with some standing and some kneeling or sitting.
As a team, it was not a protest of the flag or the Anthem. I personally don’t believe the Anthem is ever the time to make any type of protest. For me, and many others on my team and around the league, it is a tribute to those who commit to serve and protect our country, current and past, especially the ones that made the ultimate sacrifice.
I appreciate the unique diversity in my team and throughout the league and completely support the call for social change and the pursuit of true equality. Moving forward, I hope standing for the Anthem shows solidarity as a nation, that we stand united in respect for the people on the front lines protecting our freedom and keeping us safe. God bless those men and women. Source. The NFL knows its fucked. Trump won. He knows it, and I think he's daring democrats to join the NFL players in protesting the national anthem. Can you be more specific as to how any of this proves or shows anything? I don't see what you are seeing. The Steelers are one of the teams that stayed in the locker room during the national anthem in protest to what Trump said (I know Ben says the motive was different in his statement, but let's get real). Only one of their players came out (and uncoincidentally, he now has the most popular jersey in the country). The backlash from Steelers fans (and from NFL fans) has been more than noticeable. Big Ben is seeing it, and clearly felt compelled to publish this statement with his regrets. With a few words, Trump has routed the anthem protesters by making their actions a referendum on their patriotism instead of on the root issue of racial fairness. Yes, it's a dick a move on his part, but its effectiveness is undeniable. And in all fairness, the the protesters opened themselves up to it by it choosing the anthem as their point of protest in the first place. The cherry on top was that the protester of the protest, as it were, is a Hispanic American. This is a member of the group the liberal elite tells you must be most offended by who Trump is and what he does. He was the lone dissenter in registering this protest of Trump and racial injustice. Ben, to his credit, caught on to what crowd he doesn't want to be associated with. The kinds of people that think the flag and anthem are where you expose the country's racism. It's like the people who consider all forms of visible protest "a means to start the conversation on race" also happen to consider, "Fuck you!" a terrific start to conversations in general. You don't want to tell America that patriotism and nationalism are the enemies of the new race war. Trump's antics will take back seat and he'll enjoy a mild win (until he messes it up again, I'm sure). Front and center, brought to you by the crowd that also produced "Why you're a racist and what you can do about it" and "Conservatism is a cover for White Nationalism," we're now playing "This Country's Flag and Anthem are symbols of racial injustice to black athletes & allies." Never has anyone been so fortunate in his enemies than Donald Trump. Alright I'm out of this thread I can't take posts like this anymore lol You didn't respond to my last reply to you. I wasn't aware you were actively in the thread right now. On September 26 2017 06:27 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 26 2017 06:23 Danglars wrote:On September 26 2017 05:55 xDaunt wrote:On September 26 2017 05:36 Mohdoo wrote:On September 26 2017 05:33 xDaunt wrote:And this statement from the Steelers QB, ladies and gentlemen, is why it is always a bad idea to politicize nationalism and patriotism in this country: I was unable to sleep last night and want to share my thoughts and feelings on our team’s decision to remain in the tunnel for the National Anthem yesterday. The idea was to be unified as a team when so much attention is paid to things dividing our country, but I wish we approached it differently. We did not want to appear divided on the sideline with some standing and some kneeling or sitting.
As a team, it was not a protest of the flag or the Anthem. I personally don’t believe the Anthem is ever the time to make any type of protest. For me, and many others on my team and around the league, it is a tribute to those who commit to serve and protect our country, current and past, especially the ones that made the ultimate sacrifice.
I appreciate the unique diversity in my team and throughout the league and completely support the call for social change and the pursuit of true equality. Moving forward, I hope standing for the Anthem shows solidarity as a nation, that we stand united in respect for the people on the front lines protecting our freedom and keeping us safe. God bless those men and women. Source. The NFL knows its fucked. Trump won. He knows it, and I think he's daring democrats to join the NFL players in protesting the national anthem. Can you be more specific as to how any of this proves or shows anything? I don't see what you are seeing. The Steelers are one of the teams that stayed in the locker room during the national anthem in protest to what Trump said (I know Ben says the motive was different in his statement, but let's get real). Only one of their players came out (and uncoincidentally, he now has the most popular jersey in the country). The backlash from Steelers fans (and from NFL fans) has been more than noticeable. Big Ben is seeing it, and clearly felt compelled to publish this statement with his regrets. With a few words, Trump has routed the anthem protesters by making their actions a referendum on their patriotism instead of on the root issue of racial fairness. Yes, it's a dick a move on his part, but its effectiveness is undeniable. And in all fairness, the the protesters opened themselves up to it by it choosing the anthem as their point of protest in the first place. The cherry on top was that the protester of the protest, as it were, is a Hispanic American. This is a member of the group the liberal elite tells you must be most offended by who Trump is and what he does. He was the lone dissenter in registering this protest of Trump and racial injustice. Ben, to his credit, caught on to what crowd he doesn't want to be associated with. The kinds of people that think the flag and anthem are where you expose the country's racism. It's like the people who consider all forms of visible protest "a means to start the conversation on race" also happen to consider, "Fuck you!" a terrific start to conversations in general.You don't want to tell America that patriotism and nationalism are the enemies of the new race war. Trump's antics will take back seat and he'll enjoy a mild win (until he messes it up again, I'm sure). Front and center, brought to you by the crowd that also produced "Why you're a racist and what you can do about it" and "Conservatism is a cover for White Nationalism," we're now playing "This Country's Flag and Anthem are symbols of racial injustice to black athletes & allies." Never has anyone been so fortunate in his enemies than Donald Trump. The bold part is ahistorical. The conversation started by saying "Hey you black people, you're our property now" Since then it's mostly been "Hey can we have our rights that you promised us now?" And America saying "Go Fuck Yourself" SO please stop with this bullshit "they want to start with fuck you" nonsense. It's offensively ridiculous. You keep pretending we're back in the Civil Rights Era where you can make cogent comparisons to slavery and civil rights. Let me know when you're in 2017 and we can talk about the worst attitudes to center your movement in opposition of and we can talk about some very foolish ways to start conversations. I can't help your offense. You're being ridiculous. You're using ahistorical analysis and intentional ignorance to pretend as if you're simply advancing the white supremacy narrative out of some good natured paternal effort to help the fractionally (in your eyes) legitimate part of the efforts. It disgusts me on a visceral level to see something so repugnant being repeated ad nauseam. Go shit on NASCAR for mandating people worship the flag for a while if you have to keep on about this nonsense. I phrased my comment in the circumstances and atmosphere of today. You keep wanting to time-machine back to past eras, which is an obvious attempt to recenter on more familiar ground. Your disgust maybe is maybe also in the 1960s, so I must ask you to take your disgust, repugnance, and offense to today's era. If your only defense is saying how my analysis would be wrong if both of us lived and talked fifty decades ago, I think your problem is a dearth of evidence and argumentation for your point. I still haven't seen any examination of my comment other than bolding a sentence and calling it ahistorical. I think your current protests also need to actually engage if you desire engagement. You're proving that engagement is the least of your worries. My god this is silly. You don't just get to arbitrarily say the conversation started after MLK was targeted by the FBI and (coincidentally) assassinated. I know in circles of white privilege this makes sense, but outside, where white fragility isn't impenetrable, we can point out how absurd such an effort is and why the conversation never stopped and you can't just, for the sake of your trash argument, say it did. I have previously examined and pointed out why the other points were preposterous and intentionally singled out what I saw as a new, but comparably ridiculous argument. I'm not sure what you mean by "[my] current protests" but you're right if you're saying that rather than engage in rehashing why you're so absurdly wrong about several of your points, I'm just not going to let you repeat them without challenging them for how wrong they are. I don't expect you'll stop, but I expect people will continue to increasingly become aware of just how absurd they are.
I agree that it is rather silly to talk about how inane protests that "may be bad but they start the conversation" turned into the assassination of MLK. I say it starts the conversation in a bad way, but what I never expected it would become a time wormhole. Very surprising.
I'm less surprised that you use "white privilege" "white fragility" and "trash argument" all in one sentence. As am I that you refer back to past dealings instead of addressing what I actually wrote. Did you refute my argument back during the MLK march or was it after Rosa Parks? All this reference to history that you've "previously examined and pointed out" gets me confused as you flip between decades as fast as turning pages in a book. Let's just agree that I also previously examined and refuted your counter-argument, since that's in vogue these days. (Who knew you could dodge accusations so easily?)
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OMG haha. No shit, remember when I said I was at a bar with white supremacist bikers (. Not kidding, they played this (except it was like a 4 minute version) and told people to stand at attention.
It was funny because my (white) friend that was with me and (wisely) didn't want to stir shit with a biker gang club simply by staying there, then proceeded to sit and try to talk to me while this was happening.
It was a surreal experience. It must also be surreal for NASCAR to demand flag worship while also allowing the confederate flag to be flown proudly.
On September 26 2017 07:20 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2017 07:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 26 2017 06:57 Danglars wrote:On September 26 2017 06:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 26 2017 06:43 Danglars wrote:On September 26 2017 06:26 kollin wrote:On September 26 2017 06:23 Danglars wrote:On September 26 2017 05:55 xDaunt wrote:On September 26 2017 05:36 Mohdoo wrote:On September 26 2017 05:33 xDaunt wrote:And this statement from the Steelers QB, ladies and gentlemen, is why it is always a bad idea to politicize nationalism and patriotism in this country: [quote] Source. The NFL knows its fucked. Trump won. He knows it, and I think he's daring democrats to join the NFL players in protesting the national anthem. Can you be more specific as to how any of this proves or shows anything? I don't see what you are seeing. The Steelers are one of the teams that stayed in the locker room during the national anthem in protest to what Trump said (I know Ben says the motive was different in his statement, but let's get real). Only one of their players came out (and uncoincidentally, he now has the most popular jersey in the country). The backlash from Steelers fans (and from NFL fans) has been more than noticeable. Big Ben is seeing it, and clearly felt compelled to publish this statement with his regrets. With a few words, Trump has routed the anthem protesters by making their actions a referendum on their patriotism instead of on the root issue of racial fairness. Yes, it's a dick a move on his part, but its effectiveness is undeniable. And in all fairness, the the protesters opened themselves up to it by it choosing the anthem as their point of protest in the first place. The cherry on top was that the protester of the protest, as it were, is a Hispanic American. This is a member of the group the liberal elite tells you must be most offended by who Trump is and what he does. He was the lone dissenter in registering this protest of Trump and racial injustice. Ben, to his credit, caught on to what crowd he doesn't want to be associated with. The kinds of people that think the flag and anthem are where you expose the country's racism. It's like the people who consider all forms of visible protest "a means to start the conversation on race" also happen to consider, "Fuck you!" a terrific start to conversations in general. You don't want to tell America that patriotism and nationalism are the enemies of the new race war. Trump's antics will take back seat and he'll enjoy a mild win (until he messes it up again, I'm sure). Front and center, brought to you by the crowd that also produced "Why you're a racist and what you can do about it" and "Conservatism is a cover for White Nationalism," we're now playing "This Country's Flag and Anthem are symbols of racial injustice to black athletes & allies." Never has anyone been so fortunate in his enemies than Donald Trump. Alright I'm out of this thread I can't take posts like this anymore lol You didn't respond to my last reply to you. I wasn't aware you were actively in the thread right now. On September 26 2017 06:27 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 26 2017 06:23 Danglars wrote:On September 26 2017 05:55 xDaunt wrote:On September 26 2017 05:36 Mohdoo wrote:On September 26 2017 05:33 xDaunt wrote:And this statement from the Steelers QB, ladies and gentlemen, is why it is always a bad idea to politicize nationalism and patriotism in this country: [quote] Source. The NFL knows its fucked. Trump won. He knows it, and I think he's daring democrats to join the NFL players in protesting the national anthem. Can you be more specific as to how any of this proves or shows anything? I don't see what you are seeing. The Steelers are one of the teams that stayed in the locker room during the national anthem in protest to what Trump said (I know Ben says the motive was different in his statement, but let's get real). Only one of their players came out (and uncoincidentally, he now has the most popular jersey in the country). The backlash from Steelers fans (and from NFL fans) has been more than noticeable. Big Ben is seeing it, and clearly felt compelled to publish this statement with his regrets. With a few words, Trump has routed the anthem protesters by making their actions a referendum on their patriotism instead of on the root issue of racial fairness. Yes, it's a dick a move on his part, but its effectiveness is undeniable. And in all fairness, the the protesters opened themselves up to it by it choosing the anthem as their point of protest in the first place. The cherry on top was that the protester of the protest, as it were, is a Hispanic American. This is a member of the group the liberal elite tells you must be most offended by who Trump is and what he does. He was the lone dissenter in registering this protest of Trump and racial injustice. Ben, to his credit, caught on to what crowd he doesn't want to be associated with. The kinds of people that think the flag and anthem are where you expose the country's racism. It's like the people who consider all forms of visible protest "a means to start the conversation on race" also happen to consider, "Fuck you!" a terrific start to conversations in general.You don't want to tell America that patriotism and nationalism are the enemies of the new race war. Trump's antics will take back seat and he'll enjoy a mild win (until he messes it up again, I'm sure). Front and center, brought to you by the crowd that also produced "Why you're a racist and what you can do about it" and "Conservatism is a cover for White Nationalism," we're now playing "This Country's Flag and Anthem are symbols of racial injustice to black athletes & allies." Never has anyone been so fortunate in his enemies than Donald Trump. The bold part is ahistorical. The conversation started by saying "Hey you black people, you're our property now" Since then it's mostly been "Hey can we have our rights that you promised us now?" And America saying "Go Fuck Yourself" SO please stop with this bullshit "they want to start with fuck you" nonsense. It's offensively ridiculous. You keep pretending we're back in the Civil Rights Era where you can make cogent comparisons to slavery and civil rights. Let me know when you're in 2017 and we can talk about the worst attitudes to center your movement in opposition of and we can talk about some very foolish ways to start conversations. I can't help your offense. You're being ridiculous. You're using ahistorical analysis and intentional ignorance to pretend as if you're simply advancing the white supremacy narrative out of some good natured paternal effort to help the fractionally (in your eyes) legitimate part of the efforts. It disgusts me on a visceral level to see something so repugnant being repeated ad nauseam. Go shit on NASCAR for mandating people worship the flag for a while if you have to keep on about this nonsense. I phrased my comment in the circumstances and atmosphere of today. You keep wanting to time-machine back to past eras, which is an obvious attempt to recenter on more familiar ground. Your disgust maybe is maybe also in the 1960s, so I must ask you to take your disgust, repugnance, and offense to today's era. If your only defense is saying how my analysis would be wrong if both of us lived and talked fifty decades ago, I think your problem is a dearth of evidence and argumentation for your point. I still haven't seen any examination of my comment other than bolding a sentence and calling it ahistorical. I think your current protests also need to actually engage if you desire engagement. You're proving that engagement is the least of your worries. My god this is silly. You don't just get to arbitrarily say the conversation started after MLK was targeted by the FBI and (coincidentally) assassinated. I know in circles of white privilege this makes sense, but outside, where white fragility isn't impenetrable, we can point out how absurd such an effort is and why the conversation never stopped and you can't just, for the sake of your trash argument, say it did. I have previously examined and pointed out why the other points were preposterous and intentionally singled out what I saw as a new, but comparably ridiculous argument. I'm not sure what you mean by "[my] current protests" but you're right if you're saying that rather than engage in rehashing why you're so absurdly wrong about several of your points, I'm just not going to let you repeat them without challenging them for how wrong they are. I don't expect you'll stop, but I expect people will continue to increasingly become aware of just how absurd they are. I agree that it is rather silly to talk about how inane protests that "may be bad but they start the conversation" turned into the assassination of MLK. I say it starts the conversation in a bad way, but what I never expected it would become a time wormhole. Very surprising. I'm less surprised that you use "white privilege" "white fragility" and "trash argument" all in one sentence. As am I that you refer back to past dealings instead of addressing what I actually wrote. Did you refute my argument back during the MLK march or was it after Rosa Parks? All this reference to history that you've "previously examined and pointed out" gets me confused as you flip between decades as fast as turning pages in a book. Let's just agree that I also previously examined and refuted your counter-argument, since that's in vogue these days. (Who knew you could dodge accusations so easily?)
I refuse to believe you could be as stupid as this post makes you seem.
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