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Gorsameth
Netherlands21953 Posts
On September 07 2017 04:41 Plansix wrote: Pretty much how I expected this to work out. The Democrats also get to put the GOP through another debt ceiling fight, which only helps them. With any luck there won't be a hurricane to help them push it through either. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 07 2017 04:43 Gorsameth wrote: With any luck there won't be a hurricane to help them push it through either. Pretty much. And it will come right after the holiday break, likely in the middle of their push for tax reform. And god knows what nightmare Trump will have created for them since then. It also give democrats leverage if the GOP skimps on long term disaster relief. | ||
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brian
United States9632 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21953 Posts
On September 07 2017 04:59 brian wrote: it feels like he's really hurting the GOP politicians. can't say i'm upset. but it's not as much as I'd like, because what he's done is postpone it past election day. Trump wants to win, to win he has to pass legislation, which the Republicans are completely incapable of doing. Trump would be perfectly fine with working with the Democrats so long as he comes out looking like a winner. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
On September 07 2017 05:05 Gorsameth wrote: Trump wants to win, to win he has to pass legislation, which the Republicans are completely incapable of doing. Trump would be perfectly fine with working with the Democrats so long as he comes out looking like a winner. It would be pretty funny if Trump ended up being a center-left president because the tea party platform is plain and simply not viable. The entire GOP platform is not designed for actual governing. It is more of an ideology than a system of governance. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On September 07 2017 05:20 Mohdoo wrote: It would be pretty funny if Trump ended up being a center-left president because the tea party platform is plain and simply not viable. The entire GOP platform is not designed for actual governing. It is more of an ideology than a system of governance. it'd be funny; but it woudln't make trump a center-left president; it'd just mean a lot of center-left legislation is done because that's the best coalition/option. trump is still pretty claerly eclectic-heavy right. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 07 2017 05:20 Mohdoo wrote: It would be pretty funny if Trump ended up being a center-left president because the tea party platform is plain and simply not viable. The entire GOP platform is not designed for actual governing. It is more of an ideology than a system of governance. Depending on how the polling looks, you could see moderate GOP members cutting a deal on DACA and freezing out the conservatives. There is no way they want that thing hanging around during the mid-terms for the Democrats to run on. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/348771-gop-lawmaker-wants-to-force-vote-on-bill-protecting-daca-recipients | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
On September 07 2017 05:26 Nevuk wrote: https://twitter.com/megwagner/status/905500432453181440 I hope this just becomes the polite way of saying "Trump's a shit" | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
On September 07 2017 05:40 xDaunt wrote: I'm still waiting for the republican imbeciles on Capitol Hill to figure out that they are the most hated and disposable figures in DC. After watching them operate over the past 9 months, I can't help but think that they have badly miscalculated politically. GOP spent so long being the opposition party that they don't even know what to do. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 07 2017 05:42 Mohdoo wrote: GOP spent so long being the opposition party that they don't even know what to do. For a large chunk of them, opposing Obama is all they have known. They were not elected to do anything beyond stop him from doing anything. They have never had to pass anything of substance, only say they intent to undo everything Obama did. And shockingly, that isn’t sufficient to govern. They are going to be beyond fucked if the Democrats put forth someone they can’t turn into a cartoon villain. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 07 2017 05:59 WolfintheSheep wrote: Guys, you're missing the true brilliance of this strategy. GOP knows how to be opposition, so if they let the minority do all the stuff they can still run as opposition. This plan is so terrible I am concerned it will work. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On September 07 2017 05:46 LegalLord wrote: GOP Congressfolk may be quite scummy and undesirable, and they're definitely worse than their Democratic counterparts, but the other side is doing their best to bridge that gap. can you cite some examples for that last part? | ||
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Kyadytim
United States886 Posts
On September 07 2017 04:29 Kickboxer wrote: Well, with regards to what I and people like me are worried about, this short article sums it up pretty well in extremely simplistic terms: http://bensoncody.blogspot.si/2017/08/ I think everyone is worried about that. Democrats are worried about it . Black people are worried about it + Show Spoiler + Journalists are worried about it https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/02/24/donald-trump-cpac-media-enemy-of-the-people/98347970/ - Seems like a reasonable worry to me - http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/27/poll-88-of-trump-voters-agree-that-media-is-the-enemy-of-americans/ Humans are tribal, and unfortunately the tribes the US seems to be self-sorting into are political. I'm worried about the recent trend towards dehumanizing the other political side. I couldn't find any references, but there has been a lot of "liberals hate America" over the last year or two. I can definitely see conservatives being worried about similar trends on the left that I'm not noticing. | ||
KwarK
United States43229 Posts
On September 07 2017 06:16 zlefin wrote: can you cite some examples for that last part? Surely you know better than to still fall for this kind of bait. | ||
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