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On September 07 2017 08:10 LegalLord wrote:

how about we just nuke the hurricane

On September 07 2017 08:18 Wulfey_LA wrote:
Post-IRMA prediction:

As a part of the bipartisan tax reform package, Chuck Schumer convinces DJT to accept the inclusion of a carbon tax to push back against the climate change driving city crushing hurricanes onto our shores.

On September 07 2017 08:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:


I don't think Schumer is that clever.

On September 07 2017 08:12 Toadesstern wrote:

we all know how that worked out in the series, don't we?

On September 07 2017 08:18 Wulfey_LA wrote:
Post-IRMA prediction:

As a part of the bipartisan tax reform package, Chuck Schumer convinces DJT to accept the inclusion of a carbon tax to push back against the climate change driving city crushing hurricanes onto our shores.

WASHINGTON — Officials at Washington National Cathedral will remove two stained-glass windows that pay tribute to the Confederate generals Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson, a decision reached after two years of discussion and made more urgent by the recent racially tinged violence in Charlottesville, Va.

Church leaders voted Tuesday night in an “overwhelming majority” to remove the windows and announced the decision on Wednesday in a letter, concluding that the windows “tell an incomplete and misleading account of our history.” The two 4-by-6-foot windows were donated in 1953 by the United Daughters of the Confederacy and a private donor, but were not noticed by current church leaders until 2015.

“We were joining a conversation that was very much alive,” said Mariann Edgar Budde, the bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington, who learned about the windows after the mass shooting in 2015 by a white supremacist at a historically black church in Charleston, S.C. “It was no longer abstract. It was right there in our cathedral.”

Scaffolding went up Wednesday at the cathedral, the site of state funerals and memorial services for several presidents and the second largest church building in the country, after the Cathedral of St. John the Divine in Manhattan. Removal of the windows will begin Thursday; they will be cleaned, conserved, stored and potentially moved to another part of the church to be used in an educational setting unaffiliated with worship.

“As difficult as it is to remove something that was dedicated in a sacred space, we felt it was a Christian imperative and our moral responsibility,” Bishop Budde said. “They are not the objects we wish to have in a sacred worship space.”

The decision comes as cities across the country have removed plaques and statues commemorating the Confederacy, and others are weighing whether to follow suit. While opponents say the monuments should be removed because they celebrate a shameful racial legacy, President Trump has said he sees a slippery slope toward erasing other contentious aspects of the nation’s history. Still, some descendants of the Confederate generals themselves have applauded the efforts to remove or rename monuments and landmarks.

“We’re not trying to remove history,” said the Very Rev. Randolph Hollerith, the dean at the cathedral. “We’re trying to put the windows in a context that’s more appropriate to them.”

The panes of glass that featured the Confederate flag were removed from each window last year after a six-month study by a five-person task force. But discussion continued about the windows’ presence in the church, a debate that came to a head after the deadly unrest in Charlottesville, in which white supremacists descended on the city to protest the removal of a statue of Lee.

“It just brought a greater urgency to the decision, but it wasn’t a reaction because we were on this path,” Bishop Budde said. “It just accelerated the timeline for the decision about the windows.”

The United Daughters of the Confederacy did not return requests for comment, and Dean Hollerith said he had not heard from the organization in an official capacity about the decision. Both he and Bishop Budde have heard mixed reactions from church members, but they said it was important for all to feel welcome in the cathedral, which serves as the national seat for the Episcopal Church.

“Confederate monuments, windows like ours — many of them have become symbols of racism and white supremacy, and they’ve become quite painful for brothers and sisters of this nation,” Dean Hollerith said. “As a nation, we need to do a better job of listening to one another.”

While cathedral leaders look for replacement designs, the windows will be covered with wood that is painted to emulate the stone around it. It is unclear how much the replacement process will cost, but Dean Hollerith said a donor had already offered financial support to the cathedral, which is also juggling the need for more than $20 million in repairs after a 2011 earthquake.

Both Bishop Budde and Dean Hollerith said that in addition to opening up the search for new designs, discussions about racial justice and inequality would continue.

“I’ve never wanted to take out fabric from this cathedral,” Dean Hollerith said. “But I fully believe we’re doing the right thing at the right time in the history of our nation.”

On September 07 2017 08:18 Wulfey_LA wrote:
Post-IRMA prediction:

As a part of the bipartisan tax reform package, Chuck Schumer convinces DJT to accept the inclusion of a carbon tax to push back against the climate change driving city crushing hurricanes onto our shores.

On September 07 2017 08:43 Danglars wrote:

Followed by all the sensible climate alarmists reminding everybody that one or two weather events do not prove or disprove climate change. And you're all rubes for thinking that really cold winter means global warming is over.

On September 07 2017 08:54 Plansix wrote:
We just need like 15 more years of extreme, record breaking weather and we will be able to finally prove climate change.

On September 07 2017 09:36 Mohdoo wrote:


But it will be blamed on increased solar panel adoption.

On September 07 2017 08:43 Danglars wrote:

Followed by all the sensible climate alarmists reminding everybody that one or two weather events do not prove or disprove climate change. And you're all rubes for thinking that really cold winter means global warming is over.

On September 07 2017 09:43 KwarK wrote:

I did read a conservative worrying that all the solar panels would suck the sun dry.

On September 07 2017 08:43 Danglars wrote:

Followed by all the sensible climate alarmists reminding everybody that one or two weather events do not prove or disprove climate change. And you're all rubes for thinking that really cold winter means global warming is over.

On September 07 2017 09:46 KwarK wrote:

This is true. Climate change weather will be weather that conforms to the wide limits of normal parameters but happens with improbable frequency. And things happen with improbable frequency all the time without any cause beyond a large sample being viewed narrowly.

On September 07 2017 09:51 Adreme wrote:


Scientists, unlike climate change deniers, are sort of forced to be correct and will say that because it is correct, but the deniers are not bound by that restriction and can lie all they want because the very position they are arguing is not based in reality so whats a little more. I can 100% guarantee that the first snowfall in DC will have a certain walking into the chamber and throwing another snowball and saying that it is proof that climate change is a lie.

On September 07 2017 09:56 Danglars wrote:

I'm going to need a translation of that first sentence there.

Secondly, I fully admit after the hurricane=climate change crazies are done, winter weather rubes will begin.