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On August 30 2017 05:45 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2017 05:30 KwarK wrote:On August 30 2017 05:29 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2017 04:58 KwarK wrote:On August 30 2017 04:56 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2017 04:51 KwarK wrote:On August 30 2017 03:17 Danglars wrote:
I find broad similarities between you and actual haters based on skin color. And we're straight back to "judging conservatives for racism is basically racism". And any criticism of liberal elites is folly. I call them like I see them, and your argument is basically the same fringe with the political epithets and sacred cows reversed. Again, when people say you're being racist, they're not doing it as an insult. They're doing it because you're being racist. You can keep telling yourself that it's not connected to anything you're doing but that won't make it true. It's not an insult. It's a description. If you don't want the description then stop doing the thing. I feel like we're living in the equivalent of a bizarro world where a bunch of actual literal rapists who actually rape people are insisting that rapist is a rude insult and that they won't engage in any kind of debate until the other side agrees to stop calling them rapists. And then they go out and vote to legalize marital rape or some shit but insist they only did it to get back at the people who keep saying they're fine with rape. Look, we don't need your fourth time saying half the country is racist, there's no problem calling half the country racist, and the solution is for racist people to stop being racist. I wrote my response that there's a great need to bring people that think like you do back to sanity from lunacy. I laid it out, and you backpedaled like calling tons of people racists makes everything better. It doesn't. You're equivalent in character to some of the worst Trump MAGA characters I know and I have the devil of the time persuading people that your opinion of half the country is a minority in the Democratic party ... aka not everybody sees themselves as the white knights against a racist country sent by some colonial power to save the indigenous racists. In your opinion was the American population ever racist? If so, when was racism fixed? Does your wife, neighbors, friends know you think they're racist or do you have an insular friend circle? What do they think about it? I mean, do they outright admit it and say they're recovering, or maybe get angry? Does it ever trouble you to insult half the country and then ask them to vote like you do?
Pretty insular but we're all aware that we have our own racial biases and prejudices. I can admit that I'm not some kind of aracial superhuman, and so can my wife and my friends. You're still not getting it. It's not an insult. If my wife did a racist thing and I called her out on it, I wouldn't be insulting her, and she wouldn't take it as an insult. She'd try not to do the thing anymore. When I say that half the country is acting in a racist way I'm not saying it to look down on that half of the country, I'm saying it so they can try to not do the racist thing so much.
You really have absolutely no clue how any of this works.
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On August 30 2017 05:47 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2017 05:46 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2017 05:45 m4ini wrote:
How is that answer even connected to what you were quoting? He's been doing a lot of the questioning for the moment, and I wanted to get back to the implications of his first mega-post. And you wonder why people accuse you of deflecting from the issue? It's a very simple question, that could've been answered just by a single sentence. If you quote one thing and answer another of five pages back because it's more convenient, yeah that's on you.
Answering questions when asked by others is required in good faith discussions. I don’t understand why he posts these articles and then refuses to discuss the matter. He asks us endless questions, but refuses to answer even the most basic question put to him.
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On August 30 2017 05:27 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2017 05:09 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2017 04:22 Plansix wrote:On August 30 2017 04:15 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2017 03:51 Plansix wrote:On August 30 2017 03:49 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2017 03:41 Plansix wrote:On August 30 2017 03:37 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2017 03:24 Plansix wrote:On August 30 2017 03:20 Danglars wrote:
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No, you whitewash Hillary in the aftermath of her loss. A liar that rewards her friends, lights fires in North Africa, and deletes emails she doesn't want the FBI to get their mitts on can be seen as a worse result. We deserve better management of corruption? She also thinks you're deplorable, and probably doesn't do much thinking of your situation if you aren't a woman or a minority. So basically Trump in almost every way? The guy you voted for and continue to whitewash. More competent in her corruption and administration, greater corruption and abuse of power. So you voted for an incompetent and racist version of the same thing? Incompetence instead of competence in destruction. And I voted for a white man for president; so basically he was a racist by the metric of some here. I'm hardly joking, it's a pejorative and understood as one, but by definition it really had joined fascist for actual meaning. “definition it really had joined fascist” Can you rephrase that please? I’m have a hard time parsing what you are trying to say. Fascist showed up in Orwell's essay on Politics and the English Language. He said it now existed as simply "something not desirable." When you posit the racist choice for president, or really which racist you wanted for president, I say the word similarly exists as something like "a person I disagree with personally or politically." I’ve said this before: but I am convinced a man could burn a cross on Obama’s lawn and you would still question if that man was racist. Your refusal to engage with the word makes further discussion of this topic pointless. Then stop these political gotcha questions like you voted for Hillary or that racist. I've heard enough of your style binaries, like there's what you believe about immigration policy, and then there's the racist policy. Ironic because it was directly addressed by the article that I linked. This isn't a political gotcha questions. Over the past couple of years, I’ve come to the opinion that you simply refuse to engage with any discussion about racism unless you get to set the terms. And absent that, you simply refuse. That includes what I posted above. You are some uncomfortable with the topic, you just ignore it or claim that its unfair that its brought up.
You seem uncomfortable asking real questions so you manipulate them to suit your tasks. Did you vote for Hillary or the racist? Did you vote for Hillary, but the more incompetent or racist version. I have the choice of not answering such a framed question, or waiting for your mood to change into actually asking who I voted for and why, or answering dishonesty with sarcasm. What is racism to you, anyways?
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On August 30 2017 05:45 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2017 05:30 KwarK wrote:On August 30 2017 05:29 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2017 04:58 KwarK wrote:On August 30 2017 04:56 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2017 04:51 KwarK wrote:On August 30 2017 03:17 Danglars wrote:
I find broad similarities between you and actual haters based on skin color. And we're straight back to "judging conservatives for racism is basically racism". And any criticism of liberal elites is folly. I call them like I see them, and your argument is basically the same fringe with the political epithets and sacred cows reversed. Again, when people say you're being racist, they're not doing it as an insult. They're doing it because you're being racist. You can keep telling yourself that it's not connected to anything you're doing but that won't make it true. It's not an insult. It's a description. If you don't want the description then stop doing the thing. I feel like we're living in the equivalent of a bizarro world where a bunch of actual literal rapists who actually rape people are insisting that rapist is a rude insult and that they won't engage in any kind of debate until the other side agrees to stop calling them rapists. And then they go out and vote to legalize marital rape or some shit but insist they only did it to get back at the people who keep saying they're fine with rape. Look, we don't need your fourth time saying half the country is racist, there's no problem calling half the country racist, and the solution is for racist people to stop being racist. I wrote my response that there's a great need to bring people that think like you do back to sanity from lunacy. I laid it out, and you backpedaled like calling tons of people racists makes everything better. It doesn't. You're equivalent in character to some of the worst Trump MAGA characters I know and I have the devil of the time persuading people that your opinion of half the country is a minority in the Democratic party ... aka not everybody sees themselves as the white knights against a racist country sent by some colonial power to save the indigenous racists. In your opinion was the American population ever racist? If so, when was racism fixed? Does your wife, neighbors, friends know you think they're racist or do you have an insular friend circle? What do they think about it? I mean, do they outright admit it and say they're recovering, or maybe get angry? Does it ever trouble you to insult half the country and then ask them to vote like you do?
So, what you're saying is that you refuse to give a direct answer because you're a recovering racist and you would like more time to come to terms with your past? That, even though the evidence exists to paint your "white savior" in a bad light are plentiful, you would rather not admit to anything just yet, until you, yourself, are comfortable with your own life? Are you suggesting that the forum posters in this thread stop attacking you while you continue to post shit-tier responses to questions demanding a straightforward answer?
If that's the case, then ok. I guess the posters should lay off of you for a bit.
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On August 30 2017 05:42 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2017 05:20 Gorsameth wrote:On August 30 2017 05:09 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2017 04:22 Plansix wrote:On August 30 2017 04:15 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2017 03:51 Plansix wrote:On August 30 2017 03:49 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2017 03:41 Plansix wrote:On August 30 2017 03:37 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2017 03:24 Plansix wrote:
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So basically Trump in almost every way? The guy you voted for and continue to whitewash. More competent in her corruption and administration, greater corruption and abuse of power. So you voted for an incompetent and racist version of the same thing? Incompetence instead of competence in destruction. And I voted for a white man for president; so basically he was a racist by the metric of some here. I'm hardly joking, it's a pejorative and understood as one, but by definition it really had joined fascist for actual meaning. “definition it really had joined fascist” Can you rephrase that please? I’m have a hard time parsing what you are trying to say. Fascist showed up in Orwell's essay on Politics and the English Language. He said it now existed as simply "something not desirable." When you posit the racist choice for president, or really which racist you wanted for president, I say the word similarly exists as something like "a person I disagree with personally or politically." I’ve said this before: but I am convinced a man could burn a cross on Obama’s lawn and you would still question if that man was racist. Your refusal to engage with the word makes further discussion of this topic pointless. Then stop these political gotcha questions like you voted for Hillary or that racist. I've heard enough of your style binaries, like there's what you believe about immigration policy, and then there's the racist policy. Ironic because it was directly addressed by the article that I linked. If you could please answer me this. At what point does a voter become responsible for the racist policies enacted by the politician he voted for? What was the field? Are the racist policies Gorsameth not liking the policies (this forum all day long on immigration policies. Wall = Racism), is he locking the blacks up? If I refused to vote Hillary, was that a vote for Trump and thus for racism?
Fine, deflection it is. Which is basically the same as answering it anyway so thanks.
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While we're on the topic, I'll assert that I don't consider Trump necessarily a racist but an equal opportunity selfish scumbag that happens to be politically advantaged by appealing to racists. There's a subtle difference between being actively racist and being a selfish and morally bankrupt politician where being racist is advantageous. However, most of this thread has no interest in inconvenient nuance so the difference is apparently lost.
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On August 30 2017 05:33 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2017 05:31 m4ini wrote:On August 30 2017 05:29 KwarK wrote:
Danglars is the racism equivalent of an anti-vaxxer. That's a cute way to call someone an idiot. .. at least that's the first thing that sprung to my mind. He literally doesn't believe in any of the most basic facts needed to have a meaningful opinion on the subject but insists upon repeating irrelevant statements he read on the internet as if they refute arguments he completely fails to understand.
It's not that you don't understand your own arguments, it's that you haven't thought them through enough to understand their logical consequences or implications for broader society. Then three posts later you're down to sound bites and anti-vaxxers.
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On August 30 2017 05:49 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2017 05:21 m4ini wrote:On August 30 2017 05:19 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 30 2017 05:17 zlefin wrote:On August 30 2017 05:14 LegalLord wrote:On August 30 2017 05:09 m4ini wrote:On August 30 2017 05:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Christ... She's going to run again...
Are democrats that dumb? I doubt it. They very well might be. They managed to get Trump elected, after all. that would be the republicans who got him elected; not the democrats. You're both right. Democrats failed to field a candidate that would win. Republicans were probably just as surprised by this win. Hillary could've won though, that's the point. The way they handled the entire campaign is what lost them. Keep in mind, the majority voted for HRC. It's not just the eMails, it's how they "handled" Sanders, how people had to resign because of fuckery, etc and so on. What in the campaign leads you to that conclusion?
How often are you gonna quote and answer the same post? Let me ask you this, lets see if you get a clear answer out: what conclusion would you come to now? At the risk of responding twice (and this thread moves quick, sorry), I'd say the situation with Arpaio starts to change things. Most of the accusations of racism in the campaign were intellectually bankrupt and obviously politically motivated. You seem to have an honesty streak, so I wondered what about his campaign struck you that way. I mean this as more than Trump sticking his foot in his mouth and being an incompetent communicator.
I don't have an "honest streak", i just tell it how i see it (and in regards to the 2016 election, i never had a different opinion about either party).
You seem to confuse the matter a little bit, it's not just about his campaign. He was a racist before he ran for office, factually. Denying black tenants, the stupid birth certificate bullshit, calling mexicans unisono "rapist" and "mexico isn't sending their good guys" doesn't help either. The list is long, and i really can't be bothered to point out every bit of racism by him - i feel like this was already enough, and it turned out to be correct to assume he's racist.
That "incompetent communicator" really doesn't suit your argument either, because all that did is preventing him from hiding said racism.
edit: jeez the thread does move fast. Too fast for me, back to Destiny2.
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On August 30 2017 05:39 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2017 05:37 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2017 05:09 KwarK wrote:
I think Danglars genuinely believes that we think Trump is a racist because he's a white man and to us all white men are racists. I tire of the bullshit framed questions. You can ask me why I voted the way I did, but voting for the racist or Hillary ... it's like we're at the children's debate club. Show nested quote +On August 30 2017 03:49 Danglars wrote:
And I voted for a white man for president; so basically he was a racist by the metric of some here.
Context, friend. Have you ever heard of responding to a political hack with sarcasm and irony?
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On August 30 2017 05:51 mozoku wrote:
While we're on the topic, I'll assert that I don't consider Trump necessarily a racist but an equal opportunity selfish scumbag that happens to be politically advantaged by appealing to racists. There's a subtle difference between being actively racist and being a selfish and morally bankrupt politician where being racist is advantageous. However, most of this thread has no interest in inconvenient nuance so the difference is apparently lost.
Yes. People in the thread have a different opinion on what is racism and what makes someone racist. That is the topic in the thread right now.
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On August 30 2017 05:42 Uldridge wrote:
Danglars, do you condem the fact that >1/5th of the eligible black population in Kentucky can't vote?
Do you think that Trump is racist? Do you think there's institutionalized racism in this country?
Let's stop pussyfooting around.
Tell me, does Kentucky not have registration drives and courier services to poorer neighborhoods? Let's break it down into showing what you mean and not play a forumwide game of peppering me with questions.
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On August 30 2017 05:54 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2017 05:39 KwarK wrote:On August 30 2017 05:37 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2017 05:09 KwarK wrote:
I think Danglars genuinely believes that we think Trump is a racist because he's a white man and to us all white men are racists. I tire of the bullshit framed questions. You can ask me why I voted the way I did, but voting for the racist or Hillary ... it's like we're at the children's debate club. On August 30 2017 03:49 Danglars wrote:
And I voted for a white man for president; so basically he was a racist by the metric of some here. Context, friend. Have you ever heard of responding to a political hack with sarcasm and irony?
I can't tell the difference between the posts that you make that you intend to be taken seriously and the posts where you're deliberately saying something stupid as sarcasm. And honestly, I don't think that's on me.
In your opinion was the American population ever racist? If so, when was racism fixed?
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On August 30 2017 05:56 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2017 05:42 Uldridge wrote:
Danglars, do you condem the fact that >1/5th of the eligible black population in Kentucky can't vote?
Do you think that Trump is racist? Do you think there's institutionalized racism in this country?
Let's stop pussyfooting around. Tell me, does Kentucky not have registration drives and courier services to poorer neighborhoods? Let's break it down into showing what you mean and not play a forumwide game of peppering me with questions.
It's not that they're not registered. It's that they've been legally barred from voting. 26% of African American adults in Kentucky don't have the vote.
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On August 30 2017 05:51 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2017 05:27 Plansix wrote:On August 30 2017 05:09 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2017 04:22 Plansix wrote:On August 30 2017 04:15 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2017 03:51 Plansix wrote:On August 30 2017 03:49 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2017 03:41 Plansix wrote:On August 30 2017 03:37 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2017 03:24 Plansix wrote:
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So basically Trump in almost every way? The guy you voted for and continue to whitewash. More competent in her corruption and administration, greater corruption and abuse of power. So you voted for an incompetent and racist version of the same thing? Incompetence instead of competence in destruction. And I voted for a white man for president; so basically he was a racist by the metric of some here. I'm hardly joking, it's a pejorative and understood as one, but by definition it really had joined fascist for actual meaning. “definition it really had joined fascist” Can you rephrase that please? I’m have a hard time parsing what you are trying to say. Fascist showed up in Orwell's essay on Politics and the English Language. He said it now existed as simply "something not desirable." When you posit the racist choice for president, or really which racist you wanted for president, I say the word similarly exists as something like "a person I disagree with personally or politically." I’ve said this before: but I am convinced a man could burn a cross on Obama’s lawn and you would still question if that man was racist. Your refusal to engage with the word makes further discussion of this topic pointless. Then stop these political gotcha questions like you voted for Hillary or that racist. I've heard enough of your style binaries, like there's what you believe about immigration policy, and then there's the racist policy. Ironic because it was directly addressed by the article that I linked. This isn't a political gotcha questions. Over the past couple of years, I’ve come to the opinion that you simply refuse to engage with any discussion about racism unless you get to set the terms. And absent that, you simply refuse. That includes what I posted above. You are some uncomfortable with the topic, you just ignore it or claim that its unfair that its brought up. You seem uncomfortable asking real questions so you manipulate them to suit your tasks. Did you vote for Hillary or the racist? Did you vote for Hillary, but the more incompetent or racist version. I have the choice of not answering such a framed question, or waiting for your mood to change into actually asking who I voted for and why, or answering dishonesty with sarcasm. What is racism to you, anyways?
I voted for Hillary because I didn’t want the ACA repealed, since my wife has a pre-existing condition and my nephew is autistic and my sister has a hard time affording healthcare. I had no faith in the GOP to do anything but destroy healthcare.
I’ve explained my opinions on racism numerous times in this thread. I’ve explained it to you several times and I won’t do it again.
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On August 30 2017 05:43 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2017 05:40 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2017 05:10 m4ini wrote:On August 30 2017 05:09 KwarK wrote:
I think Danglars genuinely believes that we think Trump is a racist because he's a white man and to us all white men are racists. Nah, the occasional racist joke makes the racist. Btw, i don't think Danglars believes that, i actually think he knows full well that Trump is a racist because of other reasons. I still like the Chapell show. Funny thing, never watched it because i have trouble understanding what he's saying. Kevin Hart, and Ben Clover are the most watched black comedians for me. On August 30 2017 05:10 semantics wrote:On August 30 2017 04:19 m4ini wrote:On August 30 2017 04:15 Plansix wrote:
I’ve known way to may racists who use racist jokes as the test to find out if they are in favorable company. Never cracked a joke about stereotypes? Or disabled people? edit: or gender? I think, and don't get this wrong, that people like you are as big a part of the problem as racism itself. You're not helping by screamishly pointing at anyone who's cracking a race/nationality joke. It is racism either way...Just because jokes can often be taken in good light doesn't make it less racist. Both joke teller and audience can make a joke more or less a racist act. Jokes are about expectations, you subvert an exception or you play into it, either way you're doing it at the expense of that thing. Meaning a joke can be funny multiple ways, an absurd or a straight take on it. So a joke based on race depending on the joke teller and audience, it can be racist and shit or just that mild racism we all kinda are fine with depending on the people because it's understood it's in poor taste/is bad Funny enough, does it make it better m4ini if you're a racist for your jokes, and Trump's a racist for (likely) participation in his father's real estate controversies and Arpaio? I think there's a difference between making a funny about american stereotypes etc and pardoning someone who tortured and "hunted" down blacks and latinos. What kind of retarded question is that?
Semantics just said "it is racism either way." As in, your behavior about cracking a joke about stereotypes will
have people call you a racist.
Now, if the bar is literally that low, and you're a racist, I'm a racist, Kwark's a racist, Hillary's a racist, Trump's a racist, do we go to calling like Level 10 Racism? The term gets bandied about for everything from cracking a joke about stereotypes to pardoning a racial profiling sheriff. I wonder if that concerns you at all.
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On August 30 2017 05:42 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2017 05:34 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2017 05:03 Plansix wrote:On August 30 2017 05:00 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2017 03:52 Logo wrote:On August 30 2017 03:49 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2017 03:41 Plansix wrote:On August 30 2017 03:37 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2017 03:24 Plansix wrote:On August 30 2017 03:20 Danglars wrote:
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No, you whitewash Hillary in the aftermath of her loss. A liar that rewards her friends, lights fires in North Africa, and deletes emails she doesn't want the FBI to get their mitts on can be seen as a worse result. We deserve better management of corruption? She also thinks you're deplorable, and probably doesn't do much thinking of your situation if you aren't a woman or a minority. So basically Trump in almost every way? The guy you voted for and continue to whitewash. More competent in her corruption and administration, greater corruption and abuse of power. So you voted for an incompetent and racist version of the same thing? Incompetence instead of competence in destruction. And I voted for a white man for president; so basically he was a racist by the metric of some here. I'm hardly joking, it's a pejorative and understood as one, but by definition it really had joined fascist for actual meaning. You know good and well there's like a dozen reasons people have brought up for Trump and racism that amounts to a lot more than he's a white male. You can dismiss it as circumstantial or not substantial enough, but it's silly to pretend that people don't have cause to see him that way. Presenting the election as a choice with an "incompetent and racist version of the same thing" is inviting scorn. It's a politically partisan attack and should be seen and treated as such. Your mythical "hmm let's go down the bullet points from immigration policy to Arpaio and reach a conclusion" isn't at issue. That is because you shit on people who voted for Clinton. You demand your views be respected at all costs, but then refuse to extend the same to others. Everything revolves around your feelings and that you feel respected and comfortable at the expense of everyone involved. Show me. You exaggerate like mad, but show me "you shit on people who voted for Clinton" and this bs about not extending the same to others. Nah, I’m all set. I won’t play into your victimhood any more. As I said before, you are more interested in proving the other side is terrible than having a discussion. You fail to provide other posters with the respect you constantly demand.
Then I accept you claim ill behavior on both sides, but are unwilling to show what you mean. I really see no point in justifying all this racism-mongering with "You did it too with Clinton" except lacking any proof.
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On August 30 2017 05:56 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2017 05:42 Uldridge wrote:
Danglars, do you condem the fact that >1/5th of the eligible black population in Kentucky can't vote?
Do you think that Trump is racist? Do you think there's institutionalized racism in this country?
Let's stop pussyfooting around. Tell me, does Kentucky not have registration drives and courier services to poorer neighborhoods? Let's break it down into showing what you mean and not play a forumwide game of peppering me with questions.
See, this is what people mean. Stop deflecting the questions I've asked you. You've read the posts before about the situation in Kentucky KwarK just mentioned AND you don't respond to the other two by focusing on the first with something entirely different.
Why is it so difficult to just answer the questions? Your life would be SO much easier.
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On August 30 2017 06:01 Danglars wrote:
Now, if the bar is literally that low, and you're a racist, I'm a racist, Kwark's a racist, Hillary's a racist, Trump's a racist, do we go to calling like Level 10 Racism? The term gets bandied about for everything from cracking a joke about stereotypes to pardoning a racial profiling sheriff. I wonder if that concerns you at all.
Who do you consider to be a real racist? Where is your bar? Can you give us an example?
On August 30 2017 06:03 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2017 05:42 Plansix wrote:On August 30 2017 05:34 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2017 05:03 Plansix wrote:On August 30 2017 05:00 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2017 03:52 Logo wrote:On August 30 2017 03:49 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2017 03:41 Plansix wrote:On August 30 2017 03:37 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2017 03:24 Plansix wrote:
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So basically Trump in almost every way? The guy you voted for and continue to whitewash. More competent in her corruption and administration, greater corruption and abuse of power. So you voted for an incompetent and racist version of the same thing? Incompetence instead of competence in destruction. And I voted for a white man for president; so basically he was a racist by the metric of some here. I'm hardly joking, it's a pejorative and understood as one, but by definition it really had joined fascist for actual meaning. You know good and well there's like a dozen reasons people have brought up for Trump and racism that amounts to a lot more than he's a white male. You can dismiss it as circumstantial or not substantial enough, but it's silly to pretend that people don't have cause to see him that way. Presenting the election as a choice with an "incompetent and racist version of the same thing" is inviting scorn. It's a politically partisan attack and should be seen and treated as such. Your mythical "hmm let's go down the bullet points from immigration policy to Arpaio and reach a conclusion" isn't at issue. That is because you shit on people who voted for Clinton. You demand your views be respected at all costs, but then refuse to extend the same to others. Everything revolves around your feelings and that you feel respected and comfortable at the expense of everyone involved. Show me. You exaggerate like mad, but show me "you shit on people who voted for Clinton" and this bs about not extending the same to others. Nah, I’m all set. I won’t play into your victimhood any more. As I said before, you are more interested in proving the other side is terrible than having a discussion. You fail to provide other posters with the respect you constantly demand. Then I accept you claim ill behavior on both sides, but are unwilling to show what you mean. I really see no point in justifying all this racism-mongering with "You did it too with Clinton" except lacking any proof.
I’ve been willing for two years or more. I’ve done this over and over with you. I’m not doing it again simply because you are to obtuse to remember. I am tired of explaining the same thing over and over when you won’t answer a simple question from 5 pages ago. You are not worth the effort of the paragraphs I would need to write again.
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On August 30 2017 06:01 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2017 05:43 m4ini wrote:On August 30 2017 05:40 Danglars wrote:On August 30 2017 05:10 m4ini wrote:On August 30 2017 05:09 KwarK wrote:
I think Danglars genuinely believes that we think Trump is a racist because he's a white man and to us all white men are racists. Nah, the occasional racist joke makes the racist. Btw, i don't think Danglars believes that, i actually think he knows full well that Trump is a racist because of other reasons. I still like the Chapell show. Funny thing, never watched it because i have trouble understanding what he's saying. Kevin Hart, and Ben Clover are the most watched black comedians for me. On August 30 2017 05:10 semantics wrote:On August 30 2017 04:19 m4ini wrote:On August 30 2017 04:15 Plansix wrote:
I’ve known way to may racists who use racist jokes as the test to find out if they are in favorable company. Never cracked a joke about stereotypes? Or disabled people? edit: or gender? I think, and don't get this wrong, that people like you are as big a part of the problem as racism itself. You're not helping by screamishly pointing at anyone who's cracking a race/nationality joke. It is racism either way...Just because jokes can often be taken in good light doesn't make it less racist. Both joke teller and audience can make a joke more or less a racist act. Jokes are about expectations, you subvert an exception or you play into it, either way you're doing it at the expense of that thing. Meaning a joke can be funny multiple ways, an absurd or a straight take on it. So a joke based on race depending on the joke teller and audience, it can be racist and shit or just that mild racism we all kinda are fine with depending on the people because it's understood it's in poor taste/is bad Funny enough, does it make it better m4ini if you're a racist for your jokes, and Trump's a racist for (likely) participation in his father's real estate controversies and Arpaio? I think there's a difference between making a funny about american stereotypes etc and pardoning someone who tortured and "hunted" down blacks and latinos. What kind of retarded question is that? Semantics just said "it is racism either way." As in, your behavior about cracking a joke about stereotypes will have people call you a racist. Now, if the bar is literally that low, and you're a racist, I'm a racist, Kwark's a racist, Hillary's a racist, Trump's a racist, do we go to calling like Level 10 Racism? The term gets bandied about for everything from cracking a joke about stereotypes to pardoning a racial profiling sheriff. I wonder if that concerns you at all.
It concerns me for sure.
Shit you are racist now if you're white and you exist.
Unless you join the people saying you're racist, then you're not.
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On August 30 2017 05:55 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2017 05:51 mozoku wrote:
While we're on the topic, I'll assert that I don't consider Trump necessarily a racist but an equal opportunity selfish scumbag that happens to be politically advantaged by appealing to racists. There's a subtle difference between being actively racist and being a selfish and morally bankrupt politician where being racist is advantageous. However, most of this thread has no interest in inconvenient nuance so the difference is apparently lost. Yes. People in the thread have a different opinion on what is racism and what makes someone racist. That is the topic in the thread right now.
I'm confused how you can consider someone who acts exclusively in selfish interest as racist, or how a "definition" that covers that use of the term is a useful one in any conversation. It's like saying a blind punch-o-matic robot at a circus is racist after 3 punches because the first 3 people in line happened to be black.
"Hey guys, the Sun is racist! It sunburns white people faster than other races! F*** that thing."
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