EPTLike no one wants this conflict, but leaving just creates a vacuum for other violence.
Edit: wait, he didn't announce a new policy....
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Plansix
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Like no one wants this conflict, but leaving just creates a vacuum for other violence. Edit: wait, he didn't announce a new policy.... | ||
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xDaunt
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Karis Vas Ryaar
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also apparently no timeline kind of contradicts no nation building. | ||
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What reality do the people who write this live in, to think such tripe could have a single positive impact on the world. For the record, I don't recall ever being forced to dress up as a kid... possibly my grandmother's funeral but I don't think I wore a tie or a suit. | ||
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Wegandi
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On August 22 2017 05:41 GreenHorizons wrote: Any of the ones making a similar argument. I don't think the racial problems we face today are all Republicans fault though in case that wasn't clear. You should know one of the more prominent folks who makes that position is black. You know...Larry Elder? There is truth to the claim that welfare has created more children without fathers in the home. Yes, the Drug War has a role to play here too, but to claim it's entirely the Drug War is not really true. Certainly 75% of black men aren't incarcerated (where, current figures put out of wedlock black children at over 75%). I'm not one to buy that this is such a societal ill (like a conservative would), but to dismiss it entirely seems odd (not the societal ill part, but that Welfare has incentive structures that've led to this situation). But yeah, it's only those racist white guys who put that forward....or Coons like Larry Elder? The hate non-left non-D blacks get from other blacks is frightening to be honest. User was warned for this post | ||
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Doodsmack
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Ousted White House chief strategist Steve Bannon is gearing up for battle and has set his sights on President Donald Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, according to Vanity Fair. Bannon and Kushner have a long history of disagreement, with the two frequently butting heads on the ideological plane, where Bannon's far-right nationalist instincts clashed with Kushner's more moderate views. In the wake of his ouster, Bannon is looking to even the score with West Wing rivals like Kushner, Vanity Fair reported. In keeping with that, Bannon reportedly wants former chief of staff Reince Priebus to testify to special counsel Robert Mueller that Kushner was significantly involved in Trump's decision to fire former FBI director James Comey in May. According to Vanity Fair, Priebus believes Kushner and his wife, Ivanka, convinced Trump to fire Comey during a weekend they spent with the president at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey. When Trump returned to the White House on May 8, he informed aides that he was going to fire Comey, and he dismissed the FBI director the next day. www.yahoo.com Go Bannon | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
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Wegandi
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On August 22 2017 10:56 Plansix wrote: There is so much to unpack there. But can I please has some evidence that welfare leads to single parents? And that the whole single parent thing isn't linked to poverty. I'll let the man speak for himself: As for why I don't think that the correlation between a single parent and poverty is as wide as traditional statistics lead us to believe is because the biggest variable (the single parent) is almost never controlled for. That is to say, the characteristics that lead to successful children in later life (e.g. the quality of parenting) is lower generally for those who make the decision to have single-parent births. So, of course you're going to have worse outcomes from that segment of the population (e.g. it's a self-sustaining loop) and higher quality parenting / decision-making which tends to improve with people who make planned decisions and those tend to be the people in two-parent houses (withstanding marriage - merely, 2 parent (and it doesn't matter if it's MM, FF, or MF)). To me, the correlation of single parent to poverty is tenuous and the better correlation is poor parenting to poverty. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
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On August 22 2017 10:42 xDaunt wrote: I wonder how much Trump's decision to stay in Afghanistan has to do with its rare earth mineral deposits. He obviously can't talk about it publicly, but I can't imagine that it is not a big consideration. He does have a massive boner for committing war crimes and plundering nations for resources | ||
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Gahlo
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On August 22 2017 11:05 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: https://twitter.com/AndrewKirell/status/899799638051520512 But of course! Presidents have only done trivial bullshit like get shot while giving a speech and continued giving it. | ||
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Wegandi
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On August 22 2017 11:15 KwarK wrote: People seem to think I misstate arguments a lot so I'm going to make an effort to clarify what I think you just said. Did you just suggest that a link between the number of potential wage earners in a family and the economic situation of the family is tenuous? Follow along - we're talking about the situation of children when being an adult when coming from single parent HH and non-single parent HH. Your little "haha" is irrelevant and not remotely about this conversation. Not whether, there is a correlation between a families economic situation and the # of wage earners (which is an obvious tautology, but w/e). I don't have the where-with-all to get into an argument with you because it's never an honest one. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
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On August 22 2017 11:18 Gahlo wrote: But of course! Presidents have only done trivial bullshit like get shot while giving a speech and continued giving it. that was a former president and presidential candidate. | ||
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On August 22 2017 11:37 Plansix wrote: Agree with all of those things, I just don't see how it is specific to black people. It's a racially neutral effect, but the problem is that black people have a far higher incidence of single parent households, so they have a larger incidence of the attendant adverse side effects. | ||
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Plansix
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On August 22 2017 11:41 xDaunt wrote: It's a racially neutral effect, but the problem is that black people have a far higher incidence of single parent households, so they have a larger incidence of the attendant adverse side effects. But is that because a larger percentage of their population is in poverty that whites? Or some other cause? How does welfare or any government policy increase the number of single parent house holds? | ||
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