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Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10126 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-21 21:57:37
August 21 2017 21:51 GMT
#170301
On August 22 2017 04:53 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/899695643480006657

Where is the "sad" option in that poll ?

Edit - oh fuck it gets even better, it asks for donations to fight the mainstream media after you do the poll.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 21 2017 21:58 GMT
#170302


This line of tweets is an interesting read about civil servants and how they bridge the gap between administrations.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21668 Posts
August 21 2017 22:02 GMT
#170303
On August 22 2017 06:49 ticklishmusic wrote:
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On August 22 2017 06:40 LegalLord wrote:
On August 22 2017 06:25 ticklishmusic wrote:
On August 22 2017 04:56 LegalLord wrote:
Trump is getting a solid C+ right now on his presidential performance in my eyes. Would be an "okay" for sure.


maybe its my asianess speaking, but a C+ is basically an F.

anyways, as far as keeping the lights on i think it's more a testament to the sheer size of the ship of state and how hard it is to shift course/ do real damage even with the republicans running around setting shit on fire.

It's the collegiate UPenn passing grade, bro. A nice, friendly C+.


C's get degrees

+ Show Spoiler [bad joke inc] +
also, what do you call a doctor that finished in the bottom quartile of his class?
a doctor

In order to get that C the doctor also has to do more then 'not kill a patient who came in with a broken limb'

Its not whether or not a C is good enough, its that there is no way Trump deserve a C with his current list of accomplishments.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
August 21 2017 22:23 GMT
#170304
On August 22 2017 06:25 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2017 06:16 ninazerg wrote:
I don't know how a man with so much insecurity can effectively make executive decisions. I do not feel, at this point, that President Trump is making decisions, and is leaving much of the decision-making to his staff. I feel as though there is a power struggle within Trump's staff to influence a relatively weak president. Sort of a modern-day Warren G. Harding or Andrew Johnson.

he cannot. the general impression for a long time now is that he has been like that; and his "views" change based on who his advisors are and who spoke to him last; and that as such the power struggles behind the scenes have a large effect on what trump does.


His views do seem to fluctuate heavily, but when I say "It seems to me" or "I feel that", I really can't know for sure, so I'm not going to openly make that declaration. I just can't make sense out of the Steve Bannon fallout any other way than someone persuading Trump to drop Bannon.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
August 21 2017 22:41 GMT
#170305
On August 22 2017 07:23 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2017 06:25 zlefin wrote:
On August 22 2017 06:16 ninazerg wrote:
I don't know how a man with so much insecurity can effectively make executive decisions. I do not feel, at this point, that President Trump is making decisions, and is leaving much of the decision-making to his staff. I feel as though there is a power struggle within Trump's staff to influence a relatively weak president. Sort of a modern-day Warren G. Harding or Andrew Johnson.

he cannot. the general impression for a long time now is that he has been like that; and his "views" change based on who his advisors are and who spoke to him last; and that as such the power struggles behind the scenes have a large effect on what trump does.


His views do seem to fluctuate heavily, but when I say "It seems to me" or "I feel that", I really can't know for sure, so I'm not going to openly make that declaration. I just can't make sense out of the Steve Bannon fallout any other way than someone persuading Trump to drop Bannon.

I know; I'm just saying that that's what I've been reading from various news sources that analyze things. it's hard to know these things for sure; it's just a fairly common conclusion.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 21 2017 23:26 GMT
#170306
i would say that kelly becoming CoS was probably the main driver - bannon knew that there was a new sheriff in town and that his access/ influence over trump was going to be curtailed and if he stayed he'd either see himself slowly sidelined and eventually kicked out as the fall guy, and he decided to get out on his own terms, sort of. bannon may be pretty reprehensible, but the man is smart enough to know what's coming and how to make the best of it.

it's not entirely clear what bannon's relationship with trump will be going forward i think - there's the "the trump-bannon white house as we knew it is over" crew, the "breitbart goes to war on trump" crew, the "bannon unleashed to wreak havoc on trump's enemies" crew and the "breitbart vs the world, whoever that may be" crew and more besides.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-22 00:03:30
August 22 2017 00:03 GMT
#170307
This is quite the take from the Daily Caller

It’s High Time Barron Trump Starts Dressing Like He’s In the White House

Barron is the youngest son of Donald Trump and the only child the president shares with Melania Trump. Time and time again Barron has proved that he’s just a normal 11-year-old kid, despite the fact that his dad is the President of the United States and he lives in the White House. One thing that isn’t normal though is the way he dresses when he joins his parents for a public appearance.

Barron was returning to the White House from New Jersey on Sunday and while the president and first lady traveled in their Sunday best, young Barron looked like he was hopping on Air Force One for a trip to the movie theater. (11 Times Barron Trump Proved He’s A Normal 11-Year-Old Kid)
Think about how many times your parents forced you to dress up when you were a kid for a special occasion. No matter how hard you resisted, it was inevitable, you weren’t leaving the house until you had your tie tied, your shirt tucked in nice and neat with your hair combed, and a blazer on.

That’s not how it goes for the president’s youngest child.

Donald Trump and Melania always depart the White House looking their best. The president wore a fine tailored suit and Melania wore an elegant dress just as jaw-dropping as the last. But then Barron steps out in a t-shirt, khaki shorts and some suede loafers. (VIDEO: Barron Trump Snaps A Pic Of Marine One)

What am I missing here? Is Barron just better than I ever was at rebelling against my parents? Yeah, I’d put the blazer and tie on and comb my hair and all that, but as soon as my mom turned her head you better believe I was messing my hair up and loosening my tie. Hell I might even undo a couple buttons on my shirt if I was feeling like a real badass.

Barron doesn’t have to worry about all that, but he should. His dad is always looking dapper and his mom has become a worldwide fashion icon since becoming first lady. The youngest Trump doesn’t have any responsibilities as the president’s son, but the least he could do is dress the part when he steps out in public.



dailycaller.com
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35144 Posts
August 22 2017 00:05 GMT
#170308
On August 22 2017 09:03 Nevuk wrote:
This is quite the take from the Daily Caller
Show nested quote +

It’s High Time Barron Trump Starts Dressing Like He’s In the White House

Barron is the youngest son of Donald Trump and the only child the president shares with Melania Trump. Time and time again Barron has proved that he’s just a normal 11-year-old kid, despite the fact that his dad is the President of the United States and he lives in the White House. One thing that isn’t normal though is the way he dresses when he joins his parents for a public appearance.

Barron was returning to the White House from New Jersey on Sunday and while the president and first lady traveled in their Sunday best, young Barron looked like he was hopping on Air Force One for a trip to the movie theater. (11 Times Barron Trump Proved He’s A Normal 11-Year-Old Kid)
Think about how many times your parents forced you to dress up when you were a kid for a special occasion. No matter how hard you resisted, it was inevitable, you weren’t leaving the house until you had your tie tied, your shirt tucked in nice and neat with your hair combed, and a blazer on.

That’s not how it goes for the president’s youngest child.

Donald Trump and Melania always depart the White House looking their best. The president wore a fine tailored suit and Melania wore an elegant dress just as jaw-dropping as the last. But then Barron steps out in a t-shirt, khaki shorts and some suede loafers. (VIDEO: Barron Trump Snaps A Pic Of Marine One)

What am I missing here? Is Barron just better than I ever was at rebelling against my parents? Yeah, I’d put the blazer and tie on and comb my hair and all that, but as soon as my mom turned her head you better believe I was messing my hair up and loosening my tie. Hell I might even undo a couple buttons on my shirt if I was feeling like a real badass.

Barron doesn’t have to worry about all that, but he should. His dad is always looking dapper and his mom has become a worldwide fashion icon since becoming first lady. The youngest Trump doesn’t have any responsibilities as the president’s son, but the least he could do is dress the part when he steps out in public.



dailycaller.com

The fuck? Just let the kid be.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-22 00:07:23
August 22 2017 00:06 GMT
#170309
So I just registered and got my ticket for Trumps rally Tom. If it happens I'll do all i can to get in. I figure this is a pretty historic moment in time and I want to experience the atmosphere of the rally. Here's to hoping i get in and I don't get attacked by some counter protesters.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21668 Posts
August 22 2017 00:10 GMT
#170310
On August 22 2017 09:03 Nevuk wrote:
This is quite the take from the Daily Caller
Show nested quote +

It’s High Time Barron Trump Starts Dressing Like He’s In the White House

Barron is the youngest son of Donald Trump and the only child the president shares with Melania Trump. Time and time again Barron has proved that he’s just a normal 11-year-old kid, despite the fact that his dad is the President of the United States and he lives in the White House. One thing that isn’t normal though is the way he dresses when he joins his parents for a public appearance.

Barron was returning to the White House from New Jersey on Sunday and while the president and first lady traveled in their Sunday best, young Barron looked like he was hopping on Air Force One for a trip to the movie theater. (11 Times Barron Trump Proved He’s A Normal 11-Year-Old Kid)
Think about how many times your parents forced you to dress up when you were a kid for a special occasion. No matter how hard you resisted, it was inevitable, you weren’t leaving the house until you had your tie tied, your shirt tucked in nice and neat with your hair combed, and a blazer on.

That’s not how it goes for the president’s youngest child.

Donald Trump and Melania always depart the White House looking their best. The president wore a fine tailored suit and Melania wore an elegant dress just as jaw-dropping as the last. But then Barron steps out in a t-shirt, khaki shorts and some suede loafers. (VIDEO: Barron Trump Snaps A Pic Of Marine One)

What am I missing here? Is Barron just better than I ever was at rebelling against my parents? Yeah, I’d put the blazer and tie on and comb my hair and all that, but as soon as my mom turned her head you better believe I was messing my hair up and loosening my tie. Hell I might even undo a couple buttons on my shirt if I was feeling like a real badass.

Barron doesn’t have to worry about all that, but he should. His dad is always looking dapper and his mom has become a worldwide fashion icon since becoming first lady. The youngest Trump doesn’t have any responsibilities as the president’s son, but the least he could do is dress the part when he steps out in public.



dailycaller.com

Yeah no, kids are completely off-limits imo.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
August 22 2017 00:10 GMT
#170311
GL getting in. Could be interesting to get some perspective from someone who was actually there.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 22 2017 00:28 GMT
#170312


This is an amazing line item.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
August 22 2017 00:31 GMT
#170313
MOSCOW (Reuters) - The United States began to scale back its visa services in Russia on Monday, drawing an angry reaction from Moscow three weeks after President Vladimir Putin ordered Washington to more than halve its embassy and consular staff.

The move, which will hit Russian business travelers, tourists and students, was the latest in a series of bilateral measures that have driven relations to a new post-Cold War low, thwarting hopes on both sides that they might improve after U.S. President Donald Trump took office in January.

The U.S. Embassy said it was suspending all non-immigrant visa operations across Russia on Wednesday and that when they resumed on Sept. 1, they would be offered "on a greatly reduced scale".

Beginning Monday, it would be cancelling a number of appointments and asking applicants to reschedule.

www.reuters.com

Sounds annoying. Just another in the standard game of mutually spiteful moves.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-22 00:36:45
August 22 2017 00:36 GMT
#170314
You do realize that a lot of staff got kicked out of the country right? Kind of hard to process visas when you don't have any employees
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
August 22 2017 00:44 GMT
#170315
If you read it a bit more closely it should be clear that it's a mix of both shorthandedness and spite.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 22 2017 00:50 GMT
#170316
Spite is fine. The Russian government can deal with a little annoyance.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
August 22 2017 00:52 GMT
#170317
Speaking of which, I think Putin chose a new ambassador to the US. Didn't see any English sources yet though.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
August 22 2017 01:23 GMT
#170318


Watch Trump give his address on his administration's Afghanistan strategy.

NPR transcript
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-22 01:27:21
August 22 2017 01:24 GMT
#170319
This is something...that does not resemble a policy.

We are not nation building again. We are killing terrorists


We are coming to your country to cause violence and provide you with nothing.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8982 Posts
August 22 2017 01:27 GMT
#170320
Please LR this?!
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