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On August 17 2017 08:37 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2017 08:34 Gahlo wrote:On August 17 2017 07:57 Mohdoo wrote:On August 17 2017 07:51 IyMoon wrote:On August 17 2017 07:47 xDaunt wrote:On August 17 2017 07:45 IyMoon wrote:On August 17 2017 07:41 xDaunt wrote:On August 17 2017 07:36 Odawg27 wrote:On August 17 2017 07:33 xDaunt wrote:On August 17 2017 07:31 Kyadytim wrote:
It's a little late to the party because I was unable to post for a while, but Vox Day's explanation of what the Alt-Right is contains the phrase "The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children," which is a transparent paraphrase of the white supremacist slogan "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children." Quoting that while arguing that the alt-right is not a movement where white supremacists have a large amount of representation and/or influence should be self-defeating. I bet that you really don't understand why Vox Day included that point. Care to take another shot? It's all right there in the other points. If he's incorrect and missing it and it's part of your argument you should be answering him and countering it. Not playing cutesy with asking him to take another shot. If it's right there, point it out yourself and explain why it doesn't mean what Kyadytim wrote. It's much more effective and gratifying to lead people to the right conclusion than just give it to them. And for everyone who is confused as to why Kyadytim was wrong, consider the following; Vox Day isn't white. Just going off his wiki he looks pretty white to me. Source - I am a white guy He's American Indian. His listing of races has native american as last of four. If I may lightly rant: the entire idea of people pointing out their heritages anything less than half is so fucking stupid. Good lord, as if being 1/8 polish or whatever has any impact on anything. People talking about "dur, uh, I am 1/8 german, 1/4 English, part native american and uh, and uh" I just roll my eyes. I knew a 3/4 white 1/4 black girl that got upset because anti-black shit was said around her. Having a black grandparent and what that meant was something she didn't take lightly because she could pass as being white. I think that's understandable, though. One of her parents being half black means they are, in everyone's else's eyes, 100% black and they will experience all the negative effects of being black. They were probably defensive because of what their parents went through, not necessarily herself.
My point was there can be good reason to care about less prominent heritage.
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Say, did anything DJT say in that dumpster fire press conference sound ... familiar? Did you perhaps hear someone say it before? Turns out FOX heads said it first over the weekend.
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On August 17 2017 08:39 Nevuk wrote:
Fox, CNN, and MSNBC all said they haven't been able to get a single GOP senator or member of the house to come and defend Trump's statements on air. Specifically, Shepard Smith, Chuck Todd, and Wolf Blitzer
And yet they facilitate his continued existence as President of the United States.
Words are cheap.
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Just to give folks a little glimpse of the circumstances underpinning the fight over these Confederate statues, it's important to note that many of the just under 1,500 pieces were created during periods of political resurgence among those adhering to an ideology known as "the lost cause of the confederacy." Having come about as a cultural response to Reconstruction-forced black freedom and societal restructuring, the lost cause would become an issue whenever southern democrats had capital to spend on getting an agenda item passed or blocked, depending on the circumstances. On a local level, city councils, mayor's offices, and county commissions, the real engines of systemic racism, frequently ran on platforms that revolved around depicting the candidate as a staunch opponent of northern progressivism and similarly resolute advocate on behalf of southern values that almost won the great Civil War. Naturally, putting up laudatory statues of men like Robert E. Lee proved to be a surefire way for local politicians to curry long-term favor while also reminding the sometimes majority black population that Jim Crow remains alive and well.
For a personal take, I grew up in NW Ohio, a firm Union state that contributed a great deal to fighting against the South. I even attended a pretty cool archeology summer camp near Cedar Point where I got to dig up relics at the site of a Confederate officer's prison. Nonetheless, well around 40-50% of the kids I went to K-12 schooling with proudly bore the Confederate Flag at school. These idiots wear the symbol fought under by the people whom Ohio farm boys died fighting against and they wanna chant "blood and soil?" Chickenshit Confederate flag fans aside, I can't emphasize enough how infectious these symbols of America's incredibly racist past are and continue to be, given the paradoxical lengths folks go to in their defense.
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On August 17 2017 08:37 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2017 07:56 farvacola wrote:On August 17 2017 07:49 xDaunt wrote:On August 17 2017 07:46 farvacola wrote:On August 17 2017 07:44 xDaunt wrote:On August 17 2017 07:37 farvacola wrote:On August 17 2017 07:36 Odawg27 wrote:On August 17 2017 07:33 xDaunt wrote:On August 17 2017 07:31 Kyadytim wrote:
It's a little late to the party because I was unable to post for a while, but Vox Day's explanation of what the Alt-Right is contains the phrase "The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children," which is a transparent paraphrase of the white supremacist slogan "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children." Quoting that while arguing that the alt-right is not a movement where white supremacists have a large amount of representation and/or influence should be self-defeating. I bet that you really don't understand why Vox Day included that point. Care to take another shot? It's all right there in the other points. If he's incorrect and missing it and it's part of your argument you should be answering him and countering it. Not playing cutesy with asking him to take another shot. If it's right there, point it out yourself and explain why it doesn't mean what Kyadytim wrote. He's probably doing that because he mentioned "multiple ethnostates" earlier as though that somehow mitigates the racism inherent to "a thing mingled is a thing weakened." So why does he advocate for multiple ethnostates? For the same reason Richard Lynn advocates on behalf of contemporary eugenics. What is the reason? I suspect it is not the same. call it "the determinacy of genetic rights" No, that's not it, either. I only have my cellphone right now and will explain it later. Edit: Unless Igne wants to take a shot. Your my last hope, dude.
you mentioned "pluralism" as one of the pillars of western civilization so im just hoping that one of your major disagreements with the alt right is this fixation on "homeland" and "ethnic" homogeneity. unless you meant pluralism in the strictly narrow sense of division of governmental powers.
cultural homogeneity seems more like the xdaunt brand of fascism. properly oedipal but enlightened enough to not worry about the fiction of race
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It says "rebelled against the ruling government." about Washington and Lee.
Yeah, because liberty and protecting the practice of slavery are the same thing.
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Both sides are in the wrong, remember. Both sides.
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That is one confused black man (Almon)
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Remember when everyone got mad because Michelle Obama said kids should eat a vegetable? Good times.
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Is there any good news to talk about? I feel the need to ask for a temp ban from posting in here just because the discussion is circular as hell.
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On August 17 2017 09:21 Plansix wrote:
Remember when everyone got mad because Michelle Obama said kids should eat a vegetable? Good times.
She had the gall to step outside her station and speak out of turn, of course people got mad. /s
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On August 17 2017 08:52 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2017 08:37 xDaunt wrote:On August 17 2017 07:56 farvacola wrote:On August 17 2017 07:49 xDaunt wrote:On August 17 2017 07:46 farvacola wrote:On August 17 2017 07:44 xDaunt wrote:On August 17 2017 07:37 farvacola wrote:On August 17 2017 07:36 Odawg27 wrote:On August 17 2017 07:33 xDaunt wrote:On August 17 2017 07:31 Kyadytim wrote:
It's a little late to the party because I was unable to post for a while, but Vox Day's explanation of what the Alt-Right is contains the phrase "The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children," which is a transparent paraphrase of the white supremacist slogan "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children." Quoting that while arguing that the alt-right is not a movement where white supremacists have a large amount of representation and/or influence should be self-defeating. I bet that you really don't understand why Vox Day included that point. Care to take another shot? It's all right there in the other points. If he's incorrect and missing it and it's part of your argument you should be answering him and countering it. Not playing cutesy with asking him to take another shot. If it's right there, point it out yourself and explain why it doesn't mean what Kyadytim wrote. He's probably doing that because he mentioned "multiple ethnostates" earlier as though that somehow mitigates the racism inherent to "a thing mingled is a thing weakened." So why does he advocate for multiple ethnostates? For the same reason Richard Lynn advocates on behalf of contemporary eugenics. What is the reason? I suspect it is not the same. call it "the determinacy of genetic rights" No, that's not it, either. I only have my cellphone right now and will explain it later. Edit: Unless Igne wants to take a shot. Your my last hope, dude. you mentioned "pluralism" as one of the pillars of western civilization so im just hoping that one of your major disagreements with the alt right is this fixation on "homeland" and "ethnic" homogeneity. unless you meant pluralism in the strictly narrow sense of division of governmental powers. cultural homogeneity seems more like the xdaunt brand of fascism. properly oedipal but enlightened enough to not worry about the fiction of race
There are a great deal of culturally homogeneous societies that do not fit into fascism - namely, India, Japan, S. Korea, many African countries, etc. In the scope of the world, the US is an outlier. Someone is making a basic logic mistake here. Personally, I like a politically philosophical homogeneous society as that reduces strife and conflict, but not borne out of suppression, which means that such a state of being requires small populations and areas. Hence, me being for independence down to the individual. Now, you can say that's unrealistic, but you can't say that's Fascist. Ergo, while cultural homogeneity may be a goal of fascist people, it is not, in itself, a part of fascism.
By the way, I hate the binary outlook on these situations. You don't have to pick between antifa commies and neo-nazi fascists. We all ready had that "choice" in the 20th Century and it led to hundreds of millions dead.
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The day before a fully automated grocery store opened its doors in 1939, the inventor Clarence Saunders took out a full page advertisement in the Memphis Press-Scimitar warning “old duds” with “cobwebby brains” to keep away. The Keedoozle, with its glass cases of merchandise and high-tech system of circuitry and conveyer belts, was cutting edge for the era and only those “of spirit, of understanding” should dare enter.
Inside the gleaming Tennessee store, shoppers inserted a key into a slot below their chosen items, producing a ticker tape list that, when fed into a machine, sent the goods traveling down a conveyer belt and into the hands of the customer. “People could just get what they want – boom, it comes out – and move on,” recalled Jim Riot, 75, who visited the store as a child. “It felt like it was The Jetsons.”
Despite Saunders’s best efforts, the Keedoozle’s circuits frequently failed and the store closed for good by 1949.
But 72 years after he attempted to patent his idea, advances in robotics, artificial intelligence, and other technologies are making the dream of a worker-free store a reality. And American cashiers may soon be checking out.
A recent analysis by Cornerstone Capital Group suggests that 7.5m retail jobs – the most common type of job in the country – are at “high risk of computerization”, with the 3.5m cashiers likely to be particularly hard hit.
Another report, by McKinsey, suggests that a new generation of high tech grocery stores that automatically charge customers for the goods they take – no check-out required – and use robots for inventory and stocking could reduce the number of labor hours needed by nearly two-thirds. It all translates into millions of Americans’ jobs under threat.
Alfredo Duran, a 37-year-old New Yorker, has been staring down that threat. He began his retail career at the Gap, taking part in that quintessential American rite of passage: getting a summer job in high school. Twenty-one years later – after a career that took him from fast fashion chains to department stores to high-end boutiques and saw him climb the ladder from cashier to visual merchandiser to store manager – he’s looking for a way out.
“Retail used to be a career,” Duran said. “You actually sat with your store manager and told them, ‘This is where I see myself in five years.’ No one thinks like that anymore. It’s just a warm body who can pick up the clothes that were thrown on the floor.”
Duran takes pride in the level of the customer service he provides shoppers, but he’s not convinced that his skills will be sought after in the stores of the future, so he’s exploring going to work in the hotel industry. “It may be good for people that are going into technology,” he said of the onset of automation, “but what about people like myself who are not very technical?”
For all Donald Trump’s talk about the raw deal that has been visited on American workers, he rarely mentions people like Duran.
The public debate about jobs in the US has been dominated by Trump’s fixation with a particular vision of masculine, blue collar employment: a white man in a hard hat, mining coal in Appalachia or clocking hours on an assembly line in the industrial midwest. But for years, the employment impact of those industries has been dwarfed by the retail sector, which surpassed manufacturing’s total employment in 2002 and now accounts for about 10% of the entire working population, or 16 million people.
“Coal miners have gotten a lot of attention, but dislocation of retail is just getting started. It’s not localized; it’s ubiquitous,” said Mark Cohen, director of retail studies at Columbia Business School. “This is a crisis that doesn’t have any solutions at the moment and that is yet to run its course.”
The suburban shopping malls that hollowed out main streets in the 1970s and 80s have increasingly become hollow shells themselves, and more closures are expected. Headlines about America’s most recognized brands – Sears, Macy’s, RadioShack, Payless Shoes – have been dominated by store closings and bankruptcies. Credit Suisse has projected that 8,640 stores will close in 2017, easily surpassing the rate of closures during the great recession.
The fallout from the impending crisis will likely be felt most by a different population from Trump’s fetishized ideal of the white, male worker. According to the Cornerstone report, 73% of cashiers are women. And an analysis of retail workers by Demos found that black people and Latinos are overrepresented in the cashier positions, which are the lowest paid.
Seattle offers a glimpse of the store of the future. Amazon’s experimental convenience store in the city has eliminated the entire checkout process – erasing the need for cashiers. Customers at Amazon Go just grab what they want and walk out, with charges automatically sent to their Amazon Prime accounts.
The store, which is currently only open to Amazon employees, seems to have been designed with a defense of its job-killing potential in mind. Rather than using the store windows to show off merchandise, Amazon has put the employees that do work there – as sales associates and cooks – on display. Imagine Macy’s Christmas window decorations – but instead of seeing a magical winter wonderland, passersby look into an employee break area, with its industrial furniture and government-mandated notices.
The message seems clear: don’t worry, people are still employed here.
But whatever comfort may come from watching a real live human being spread mustard on a sandwich or recline on a sofa has not prevented Amazon from being tagged as all four horsemen of the retail jobs apocalypse.
A spokesperson for Amazon said in a statement that the company had “no plans” to use its Amazon Go technology to get rid of cashiers at the 465 Whole Foods stores it just acquired. But the Cornerstone analysis noted that airlines and banks made similar assurances about job losses when they introduced check-in kiosks and ATMs respectively; in both industries, employment and wages have declined.
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On August 17 2017 09:22 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Is there any good news to talk about? I feel the need to ask for a temp ban from posting in here just because the discussion is circular as hell.
Let me dig up a little of non-Charlottesville news for you.
In recent weeks, a deluge of leaks has sprung out from the U.S. intelligence community concerning North Korea’s ballistic missile and nuclear programs. Taken together, the leaks portray Kim Jong Un’s regime as nearing mastery of a nuclear-tipped missile that could hit American soil.
Three separate and critical intelligence assessments have emerged in recent weeks that merit attention. First, the U.S. intelligence community, in consensus, now assesses that North Korea is fully capable of developing compact missile-mountable nuclear weapons. Second, the Defense Intelligence Agency and the National Geospational Intelligence Agency assess that North Korea has a fissile material stockpile sufficient for 60 bombs today and is producing additional fissile material at a rate of 12 bombs per year.
Finally, the third assessment, which I first reported last week, is that the Central Intelligence Agency assesses North Korea’s intercontinental-range ballistic missile re-entry vehicle technology to likely be sufficient for the delivery of a nuclear device to the United States—meaning it could probably survive re-entry on a normal trajectory and successful detonate that compact nuclear warhead over an American city.
The sudden breakout of leaks as President Donald Trump blusters dangerously about meeting Kim’s threats with “fire and fury” has led well-intentioned observers to see echoes of the run-up to the Iraq war. MSNBC host Rachel Maddow, for instance, has suggested that these leaks are aimed at supporting military action—as bogus stories about aluminum tubes and mobile weapons labs were back in 2002.
This is precisely the wrong conclusion.
Instead of paving the path to war, the public release of these intelligence assessments—two of which remain without known consensus within the intelligence community—are likely aimed at injecting caution into the debate over what to do about North Korea. They should cause Americans to understand the value of establishing a stable deterrent relationship with North Korea as we enter an era where its ICBMs are perhaps months from seeing operational deployment. In other words: The time to start a war with North Korea is not after various parts of the U.S. intelligence community assess that it could likely lob a nuclear weapon at U.S. cities today. The window is gone—certainly for a preventative war. Pre-emptive war also raises the uneasy prospect of betting that the United States would be able to detect and destroy all of North Korea’s road-mobile ICBMs, not leaving even a single launcher capable of retaliating with a devastating nuclear strike.
www.politico.com
People around the world have more confidence in Russian President Vladimir Putin handling world affairs than in his U.S. Counterpart Donald Trump, a Pew Research Center survey showed.
Of 36 countries canvassed, 22, including Germany, France and Japan, trust Putin more, according to the pollster’s 2017 spring survey. People had more confidence in Trump in 13 countries, including the U.K., India and Israel. Only Tanzanians saw them as equals. Results from the U.S., which was also part of the survey, weren’t included in this question, and China wasn’t polled. Pew conducted its research from Feb. 16 to May 8.
Pew said that 23 percent of the American public had confidence in Putin, while 53 percent share the same feeling for Trump. Globally, a median 60 percent of people in 37 countries, including the U.S., said they lack confidence in the Russian leader’s actions in world affairs, versus 26 percent who said he’s doing a good job. About a third of the nations surveyed see Russia as a major threat to their country, similar to the level of concern caused by China and U.S.
www.bloomberg.com
A Florida man who federal authorities say planned to bomb a Jewish synagogue pleaded guilty Wednesday to a federal hate crime and attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction.
The timing of Justice Department's announcement of James Gonzalo Medina's guilty plea struck a chord during a week plagued by the aftermath of deadly violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, over the weekend.
The FBI launched an investigation into Medina in 2016 after authorities learned he had expressed anti-Semitic views with associates and discussed plans to attack the Aventura Turnberry Jewish Center in southern Florida, according to court filings.
Authorities say Medina scoped out the synagogue for potential vulnerabilities, told a confidential source that a Jewish holiday would be a "good day" to carry out the bomb attack, and then later procured what he believed to be an explosive device from an undercover agent.
"When asked whether he knew that if the attack succeeded, that people may have died, (Medina) responded, 'whatever happens,'" prosecutors said in the complaint.
www.cnn.com
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Washington owned slaves. The Revolutionary War wasn't about freeing slaves. There were only a few advocates of abolition between 1770 and 1800, notable among them Thomas Jefferson (he's a bit of a paradox on the subject). You're missing the point that the only difference between the "traitors" Washington and Lee is that one won, and one lost, and history is written by the winners. Seriously, that's the only difference. So, really, it was about liberty for the white colonists. This cognitive dissonance on the part of the people advocating for the tearing down of statues like Lees, but not Washingtons, or Madisons, or Jeffersons belies the fact that they're selectively biased and a lot of it has to do with the one-sided narrative around the "Civil War". Tearing down Confederate veteran statues is nothing to be proud of (as what happened in N.C.). Even the US Congress (who I am loathe to appeal to) has recognized by law that Confederate veterans are US veterans way back in 1900.
Plus, using modern morality to view Lee is real dumb. In the 1800s your home State was much more important than the Federal Government. It was the primary reason Lee fought in the Confederate side, because his home state of Virginia decided it so. It was not an uncommon view in the mid 1800s. Plus, putting Lee and someone like Forrest in the same breadth is some of the most idiotic conflation I've ever heard of (ie. there being no separation of degree when it comes to individuals during this time period). It's just ignorant college students getting a one-sided propaganda narrative through their biased professors - it's no wonder they act in this fashion.
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This is the greatest news we could ask for.
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On August 17 2017 09:28 Wegandi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2017 08:52 IgnE wrote:On August 17 2017 08:37 xDaunt wrote:On August 17 2017 07:56 farvacola wrote:On August 17 2017 07:49 xDaunt wrote:On August 17 2017 07:46 farvacola wrote:On August 17 2017 07:44 xDaunt wrote:On August 17 2017 07:37 farvacola wrote:On August 17 2017 07:36 Odawg27 wrote:On August 17 2017 07:33 xDaunt wrote:
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I bet that you really don't understand why Vox Day included that point. Care to take another shot? It's all right there in the other points. If he's incorrect and missing it and it's part of your argument you should be answering him and countering it. Not playing cutesy with asking him to take another shot. If it's right there, point it out yourself and explain why it doesn't mean what Kyadytim wrote. He's probably doing that because he mentioned "multiple ethnostates" earlier as though that somehow mitigates the racism inherent to "a thing mingled is a thing weakened." So why does he advocate for multiple ethnostates? For the same reason Richard Lynn advocates on behalf of contemporary eugenics. What is the reason? I suspect it is not the same. call it "the determinacy of genetic rights" No, that's not it, either. I only have my cellphone right now and will explain it later. Edit: Unless Igne wants to take a shot. Your my last hope, dude. you mentioned "pluralism" as one of the pillars of western civilization so im just hoping that one of your major disagreements with the alt right is this fixation on "homeland" and "ethnic" homogeneity. unless you meant pluralism in the strictly narrow sense of division of governmental powers. cultural homogeneity seems more like the xdaunt brand of fascism. properly oedipal but enlightened enough to not worry about the fiction of race There are a great deal of culturally homogeneous societies that do not fit into fascism - namely, India, Japan, S. Korea, many African countries, etc. In the scope of the world, the US is an outlier. Someone is making a basic logic mistake here. Personally, I like a politically philosophical homogeneous society as that reduces strife and conflict, but not borne out of suppression, which means that such a state of being requires small populations and areas. Hence, me being for independence down to the individual. Now, you can say that's unrealistic, but you can't say that's Fascist. Ergo, while cultural homogeneity may be a goal of fascist people, it is not, in itself, a part of fascism. By the way, I hate the binary outlook on these situations. You don't have to pick between antifa commies and neo-nazi fascists. We all ready had that "choice" in the 20th Century and it led to hundreds of millions dead.
i didnt say it was Fascist, i said it was fascist. it was half provocation. society structures subjects and centralizes power to greater or lesser degrees. to the extent that its institutions, beliefs, and structures require greater compliance with a narrower set of acceptable subjective beliefs it is a more fascist society
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On August 17 2017 09:31 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2017 09:22 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Is there any good news to talk about? I feel the need to ask for a temp ban from posting in here just because the discussion is circular as hell. Let me dig up a little of non-Charlottesville news for you. Show nested quote +In recent weeks, a deluge of leaks has sprung out from the U.S. intelligence community concerning North Korea’s ballistic missile and nuclear programs. Taken together, the leaks portray Kim Jong Un’s regime as nearing mastery of a nuclear-tipped missile that could hit American soil.
Three separate and critical intelligence assessments have emerged in recent weeks that merit attention. First, the U.S. intelligence community, in consensus, now assesses that North Korea is fully capable of developing compact missile-mountable nuclear weapons. Second, the Defense Intelligence Agency and the National Geospational Intelligence Agency assess that North Korea has a fissile material stockpile sufficient for 60 bombs today and is producing additional fissile material at a rate of 12 bombs per year.
Finally, the third assessment, which I first reported last week, is that the Central Intelligence Agency assesses North Korea’s intercontinental-range ballistic missile re-entry vehicle technology to likely be sufficient for the delivery of a nuclear device to the United States—meaning it could probably survive re-entry on a normal trajectory and successful detonate that compact nuclear warhead over an American city.
The sudden breakout of leaks as President Donald Trump blusters dangerously about meeting Kim’s threats with “fire and fury” has led well-intentioned observers to see echoes of the run-up to the Iraq war. MSNBC host Rachel Maddow, for instance, has suggested that these leaks are aimed at supporting military action—as bogus stories about aluminum tubes and mobile weapons labs were back in 2002.
This is precisely the wrong conclusion.
Instead of paving the path to war, the public release of these intelligence assessments—two of which remain without known consensus within the intelligence community—are likely aimed at injecting caution into the debate over what to do about North Korea. They should cause Americans to understand the value of establishing a stable deterrent relationship with North Korea as we enter an era where its ICBMs are perhaps months from seeing operational deployment. In other words: The time to start a war with North Korea is not after various parts of the U.S. intelligence community assess that it could likely lob a nuclear weapon at U.S. cities today. The window is gone—certainly for a preventative war. Pre-emptive war also raises the uneasy prospect of betting that the United States would be able to detect and destroy all of North Korea’s road-mobile ICBMs, not leaving even a single launcher capable of retaliating with a devastating nuclear strike. www.politico.comShow nested quote +People around the world have more confidence in Russian President Vladimir Putin handling world affairs than in his U.S. Counterpart Donald Trump, a Pew Research Center survey showed.
Of 36 countries canvassed, 22, including Germany, France and Japan, trust Putin more, according to the pollster’s 2017 spring survey. People had more confidence in Trump in 13 countries, including the U.K., India and Israel. Only Tanzanians saw them as equals. Results from the U.S., which was also part of the survey, weren’t included in this question, and China wasn’t polled. Pew conducted its research from Feb. 16 to May 8.
Pew said that 23 percent of the American public had confidence in Putin, while 53 percent share the same feeling for Trump. Globally, a median 60 percent of people in 37 countries, including the U.S., said they lack confidence in the Russian leader’s actions in world affairs, versus 26 percent who said he’s doing a good job. About a third of the nations surveyed see Russia as a major threat to their country, similar to the level of concern caused by China and U.S. www.bloomberg.comShow nested quote +A Florida man who federal authorities say planned to bomb a Jewish synagogue pleaded guilty Wednesday to a federal hate crime and attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction.
The timing of Justice Department's announcement of James Gonzalo Medina's guilty plea struck a chord during a week plagued by the aftermath of deadly violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, over the weekend.
The FBI launched an investigation into Medina in 2016 after authorities learned he had expressed anti-Semitic views with associates and discussed plans to attack the Aventura Turnberry Jewish Center in southern Florida, according to court filings.
Authorities say Medina scoped out the synagogue for potential vulnerabilities, told a confidential source that a Jewish holiday would be a "good day" to carry out the bomb attack, and then later procured what he believed to be an explosive device from an undercover agent.
"When asked whether he knew that if the attack succeeded, that people may have died, (Medina) responded, 'whatever happens,'" prosecutors said in the complaint. www.cnn.com
Ah, refreshing. Thanks for that.
The second story is hilarious and if that isn't a sign of the times to come, I don't know what is. The second one, didn't someone else post a story or a link similar in tone to this before? Something about people staking out a synagogue?
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On August 17 2017 09:38 Plansix wrote:+ Show Spoiler +https://twitter.com/jesticide/status/897941541221670912 This is the greatest news we could ask for.
I expect the white supremacists to disperse after only one or two Faygo barrages. That stuff really stings the eyes.
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On August 17 2017 09:22 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Is there any good news to talk about? I feel the need to ask for a temp ban from posting in here just because the discussion is circular as hell.
there's always good news; it just doesn't get talked about much. it doesn't make the news much because good news doesn't sell that well. and when mentioned it gets little more than agreement then people move on.
also, discussions tend to be poor both because of a) inadequate moderation; and b) reasonable people tend ot come to agreement fairly quickly. to elaborate on B suppose you have 50 reasonable discussions and 5 bad discussions. the 5 bad discussions will take up just as much space (or maybe even much more) than the good discussions; because they keep going on and on in circular debate due to certain people being ignorant of reality and arguing in bad faith. and then those issues will come up again and later and all the same points will be repeated again.
this caused the bad discussions to take up more space even if fewer in number.
and of course the long term presence of negativity and poor arguments often drive away the more reasonable people, leaving more of a cesspit. and the people who choose to post are probably not the most reasonable people in the first place due to self-selection effects (an unfortunate realization since i'm in that category).
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