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On July 28 2017 07:27 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:25 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On July 28 2017 07:23 Introvert wrote:On July 28 2017 07:20 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:19 Introvert wrote:On July 28 2017 07:13 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:10 KwarK wrote:On July 28 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
It is like they need to go over every single terrible options out loud, in detail before they can decide if that is the terrible options they want to hang themselves with.
Because they know. They know that if they don't do this, the Democrats will hold them over them for a decade. The GOP will be the party of failure for a decade. The obstructed an entire administration trying to repeal on law and then couldn't do it because they never really figured out how to do it. Doesn't matter if the Democrats hold them accountable, it only matters if the people hold them accountable. And so far that mechanism isn't functioning. No amount of bad governing seems to make the process work. Which is incredibly weird to me. I do not understand how conservatives look at this clusterfuck, and lets be clear, the entire US government currently is one massive, steaming pile of donkeyshit, and be like "yeah. that's fine." A country constantly screaming about how they will hold a government responsible just watching how the WH literally has a mental breakdown. edit: look at SK, look at Venezuela etc - people in the US are way too content with the current situation. This thread re ally is out of it. Which conservatives have said this is Fine? None here. Dude, your fucking politicians? Which ones? Forget conservatives, which Republican politicians have said this is fine? Joe Random house member? All Paul Ryan can muster is sad or exasperated neutrality. I'm sure after the vote, there will be a list of those who voted which way released. Then we can see which politician voted for this. They are show votes, no one wants this bill and the Senate is hoping it dies in the House. No one says what we have now at any level of government is fine. Even the shills are having a harder time Also die--> does apparently
Really. No one wants this bill. Where does it come from then? I mean, someone had to draft it, no? Based on instructions giving by someone, no?
To be clear. I'm not saying every republican politician is batshit crazy. But to argue that they're not fine with how the WH is being run is ridiculous. If you're not fine with something, you speak out. It happens in other countries constantly you know.
edit: reads a bit aggressive, isn't meant that way - maybe i just am a bit of an ass after all
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On July 28 2017 07:27 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:25 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On July 28 2017 07:23 Introvert wrote:On July 28 2017 07:20 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:19 Introvert wrote:On July 28 2017 07:13 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:10 KwarK wrote:On July 28 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
It is like they need to go over every single terrible options out loud, in detail before they can decide if that is the terrible options they want to hang themselves with.
Because they know. They know that if they don't do this, the Democrats will hold them over them for a decade. The GOP will be the party of failure for a decade. The obstructed an entire administration trying to repeal on law and then couldn't do it because they never really figured out how to do it. Doesn't matter if the Democrats hold them accountable, it only matters if the people hold them accountable. And so far that mechanism isn't functioning. No amount of bad governing seems to make the process work. Which is incredibly weird to me. I do not understand how conservatives look at this clusterfuck, and lets be clear, the entire US government currently is one massive, steaming pile of donkeyshit, and be like "yeah. that's fine." A country constantly screaming about how they will hold a government responsible just watching how the WH literally has a mental breakdown. edit: look at SK, look at Venezuela etc - people in the US are way too content with the current situation. This thread re ally is out of it. Which conservatives have said this is Fine? None here. Dude, your fucking politicians? Which ones? Forget conservatives, which Republican politicians have said this is fine? Joe Random house member? All Paul Ryan can muster is sad or exasperated neutrality. I'm sure after the vote, there will be a list of those who voted which way released. Then we can see which politician voted for this. They are show votes, no one wants this bill and the Senate is hoping it dies in the House. No one says what we have now at any level of government is fine. Even the shills are having a harder time Also die--> does apparently
No one wants it. That's why they are painstakingly glancing at each other wait for someone else to say 'No' first instead of just torpedoing it all. That's why they are on garbage attempt number 4-5? Because no one wants it?
They sure acts really fucking weird for people who overwhelmingly do not want this.
'Voting yes and hoping it dies in the house' is horseshit.
You vote it, you own it.
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On July 28 2017 07:27 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:25 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On July 28 2017 07:23 Introvert wrote:On July 28 2017 07:20 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:19 Introvert wrote:On July 28 2017 07:13 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:10 KwarK wrote:On July 28 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
It is like they need to go over every single terrible options out loud, in detail before they can decide if that is the terrible options they want to hang themselves with.
Because they know. They know that if they don't do this, the Democrats will hold them over them for a decade. The GOP will be the party of failure for a decade. The obstructed an entire administration trying to repeal on law and then couldn't do it because they never really figured out how to do it. Doesn't matter if the Democrats hold them accountable, it only matters if the people hold them accountable. And so far that mechanism isn't functioning. No amount of bad governing seems to make the process work. Which is incredibly weird to me. I do not understand how conservatives look at this clusterfuck, and lets be clear, the entire US government currently is one massive, steaming pile of donkeyshit, and be like "yeah. that's fine." A country constantly screaming about how they will hold a government responsible just watching how the WH literally has a mental breakdown. edit: look at SK, look at Venezuela etc - people in the US are way too content with the current situation. This thread re ally is out of it. Which conservatives have said this is Fine? None here. Dude, your fucking politicians? Which ones? Forget conservatives, which Republican politicians have said this is fine? Joe Random house member? All Paul Ryan can muster is sad or exasperated neutrality. I'm sure after the vote, there will be a list of those who voted which way released. Then we can see which politician voted for this. They are show votes, no one wants this bill and the Senate is hoping it dies in the House. No one says what we have now at any level of government is fine. Even the shills are having a harder time Also die--> does apparently
The GOP held Congress is so intent on showing they are working on this, that they are willing to take a risk of it being passed. That's pathetic. "Look, we voted a stripped down version and sent it to the House. They voted it into law and the President signed on it. The Senate did their part. The House failed you all. Sorry about your grandma dying
They need to take this L, go back to the drawing board, and actually work this thing out. They're in such a rush to destroy anything Obama did that they are willing to literally sacrifice millions. Good job. You guys are the heroes we needed to run this country. Banana Republic, here we come.
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Just keep in mind in all these discussions that three prominent GOP members just held a press conference saying that this was worse than a blank sheet of paper but they would vote for it anyway.
On July 28 2017 07:13 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:10 KwarK wrote:On July 28 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
It is like they need to go over every single terrible options out loud, in detail before they can decide if that is the terrible options they want to hang themselves with.
Because they know. They know that if they don't do this, the Democrats will hold them over them for a decade. The GOP will be the party of failure for a decade. The obstructed an entire administration trying to repeal on law and then couldn't do it because they never really figured out how to do it. Doesn't matter if the Democrats hold them accountable, it only matters if the people hold them accountable. And so far that mechanism isn't functioning. No amount of bad governing seems to make the process work. Which is incredibly weird to me. I do not understand how conservatives look at this clusterfuck, and lets be clear, the entire US government currently is one massive, steaming pile of donkeyshit, and be like "yeah. that's fine." A country constantly screaming about how they will hold a government responsible just watching how the WH literally has a mental breakdown. edit: look at SK, look at Venezuela etc - people in the US are way too content with the current situation.
They don't think it's fine. They just blame Democrats or, more accurately, "liberals" for it. Some think the problem with the current healthcare is Democratic obstruction, for Pete's sake!
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On July 28 2017 07:32 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:13 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:10 KwarK wrote:On July 28 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
It is like they need to go over every single terrible options out loud, in detail before they can decide if that is the terrible options they want to hang themselves with.
Because they know. They know that if they don't do this, the Democrats will hold them over them for a decade. The GOP will be the party of failure for a decade. The obstructed an entire administration trying to repeal on law and then couldn't do it because they never really figured out how to do it. Doesn't matter if the Democrats hold them accountable, it only matters if the people hold them accountable. And so far that mechanism isn't functioning. No amount of bad governing seems to make the process work. Which is incredibly weird to me. I do not understand how conservatives look at this clusterfuck, and lets be clear, the entire US government currently is one massive, steaming pile of donkeyshit, and be like "yeah. that's fine." A country constantly screaming about how they will hold a government responsible just watching how the WH literally has a mental breakdown. edit: look at SK, look at Venezuela etc - people in the US are way too content with the current situation. They don't think it's fine. They just blame Democrats or, more accurately, "liberals" for it. Some think the problem with the current healthcare is Democratic obstruction, for Pete's sake!
No, if you think something isn't fine, you change something or at least speak out. If you're content with the current situation, you have to own it = being fine with it.
edit: talking about politicians, not voters - i don't even wanna know the view of a rural rightwinger.
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On July 28 2017 07:34 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:32 TheTenthDoc wrote:On July 28 2017 07:13 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:10 KwarK wrote:On July 28 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
It is like they need to go over every single terrible options out loud, in detail before they can decide if that is the terrible options they want to hang themselves with.
Because they know. They know that if they don't do this, the Democrats will hold them over them for a decade. The GOP will be the party of failure for a decade. The obstructed an entire administration trying to repeal on law and then couldn't do it because they never really figured out how to do it. Doesn't matter if the Democrats hold them accountable, it only matters if the people hold them accountable. And so far that mechanism isn't functioning. No amount of bad governing seems to make the process work. Which is incredibly weird to me. I do not understand how conservatives look at this clusterfuck, and lets be clear, the entire US government currently is one massive, steaming pile of donkeyshit, and be like "yeah. that's fine." A country constantly screaming about how they will hold a government responsible just watching how the WH literally has a mental breakdown. edit: look at SK, look at Venezuela etc - people in the US are way too content with the current situation. They don't think it's fine. They just blame Democrats or, more accurately, "liberals" for it. Some think the problem with the current healthcare is Democratic obstruction, for Pete's sake! No, if you think something isn't fine, you change something or at least speak out. If you're content with the current situation, you have to own it = being fine with it.
They are speaking out. They're calling the Democrats obstructionists who won't work with them, or that liberals are overreacting and exaggerating and fake news. They're just not blaming who you think they should.
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On July 28 2017 07:31 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:27 Introvert wrote:On July 28 2017 07:25 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On July 28 2017 07:23 Introvert wrote:On July 28 2017 07:20 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:19 Introvert wrote:On July 28 2017 07:13 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:10 KwarK wrote:On July 28 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
It is like they need to go over every single terrible options out loud, in detail before they can decide if that is the terrible options they want to hang themselves with.
Because they know. They know that if they don't do this, the Democrats will hold them over them for a decade. The GOP will be the party of failure for a decade. The obstructed an entire administration trying to repeal on law and then couldn't do it because they never really figured out how to do it. Doesn't matter if the Democrats hold them accountable, it only matters if the people hold them accountable. And so far that mechanism isn't functioning. No amount of bad governing seems to make the process work. Which is incredibly weird to me. I do not understand how conservatives look at this clusterfuck, and lets be clear, the entire US government currently is one massive, steaming pile of donkeyshit, and be like "yeah. that's fine." A country constantly screaming about how they will hold a government responsible just watching how the WH literally has a mental breakdown. edit: look at SK, look at Venezuela etc - people in the US are way too content with the current situation. This thread re ally is out of it. Which conservatives have said this is Fine? None here. Dude, your fucking politicians? Which ones? Forget conservatives, which Republican politicians have said this is fine? Joe Random house member? All Paul Ryan can muster is sad or exasperated neutrality. I'm sure after the vote, there will be a list of those who voted which way released. Then we can see which politician voted for this. They are show votes, no one wants this bill and the Senate is hoping it dies in the House. No one says what we have now at any level of government is fine. Even the shills are having a harder time Also die--> does apparently The GOP held Congress is so intent on showing they are working on this, that they are willing to take a risk of it being passed. That's pathetic. " Look, we voted a stripped down version and sent it to the House. They voted it into law and the President signed on it. The Senate did their part. The House failed you all. Sorry about your grandma dyingThey need to take this L, go back to the drawing board, and actually work this thing out. They're in such a rush to destroy anything Obama did that they are willing to literally sacrifice millions. Good job. You guys are the heroes we needed to run this country. Banana Republic, here we come.
First paragraph is pretty right. Exccpet for the usual scare mongering.
They feel they have to vote on SOMETHING. But none if them like it, so they have to figure out who is going to take the hit. That's part of how these votes work.
Here's the point: I am not, nor is anyone else, really, excusing this. No one likes this. And yes Republicans (especially conservatives) hate the Republican party.
Tldr no one thinks this is "fine."
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On July 28 2017 07:36 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:31 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On July 28 2017 07:27 Introvert wrote:On July 28 2017 07:25 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On July 28 2017 07:23 Introvert wrote:On July 28 2017 07:20 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:19 Introvert wrote:On July 28 2017 07:13 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:10 KwarK wrote:On July 28 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
It is like they need to go over every single terrible options out loud, in detail before they can decide if that is the terrible options they want to hang themselves with.
Because they know. They know that if they don't do this, the Democrats will hold them over them for a decade. The GOP will be the party of failure for a decade. The obstructed an entire administration trying to repeal on law and then couldn't do it because they never really figured out how to do it. Doesn't matter if the Democrats hold them accountable, it only matters if the people hold them accountable. And so far that mechanism isn't functioning. No amount of bad governing seems to make the process work. Which is incredibly weird to me. I do not understand how conservatives look at this clusterfuck, and lets be clear, the entire US government currently is one massive, steaming pile of donkeyshit, and be like "yeah. that's fine." A country constantly screaming about how they will hold a government responsible just watching how the WH literally has a mental breakdown. edit: look at SK, look at Venezuela etc - people in the US are way too content with the current situation. This thread re ally is out of it. Which conservatives have said this is Fine? None here. Dude, your fucking politicians? Which ones? Forget conservatives, which Republican politicians have said this is fine? Joe Random house member? All Paul Ryan can muster is sad or exasperated neutrality. I'm sure after the vote, there will be a list of those who voted which way released. Then we can see which politician voted for this. They are show votes, no one wants this bill and the Senate is hoping it dies in the House. No one says what we have now at any level of government is fine. Even the shills are having a harder time Also die--> does apparently The GOP held Congress is so intent on showing they are working on this, that they are willing to take a risk of it being passed. That's pathetic. " Look, we voted a stripped down version and sent it to the House. They voted it into law and the President signed on it. The Senate did their part. The House failed you all. Sorry about your grandma dyingThey need to take this L, go back to the drawing board, and actually work this thing out. They're in such a rush to destroy anything Obama did that they are willing to literally sacrifice millions. Good job. You guys are the heroes we needed to run this country. Banana Republic, here we come. First paragraph is pretty right. Exccpet for the usual scare mongering. They feel they have to vote on SOMETHING. But none if them like it, so they have to figure out who is going to take the hit. That's part of how these votes work. Here's the point: I am not, nor is anyone else, really, excusing this. No one likes this. And yes Republicans (especially conservatives) hate the Republican party. Tldr no one thinks this is "fine."
Then stop voting these fucks into office!
god.
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On July 28 2017 07:35 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:34 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:32 TheTenthDoc wrote:On July 28 2017 07:13 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:10 KwarK wrote:On July 28 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
It is like they need to go over every single terrible options out loud, in detail before they can decide if that is the terrible options they want to hang themselves with.
Because they know. They know that if they don't do this, the Democrats will hold them over them for a decade. The GOP will be the party of failure for a decade. The obstructed an entire administration trying to repeal on law and then couldn't do it because they never really figured out how to do it. Doesn't matter if the Democrats hold them accountable, it only matters if the people hold them accountable. And so far that mechanism isn't functioning. No amount of bad governing seems to make the process work. Which is incredibly weird to me. I do not understand how conservatives look at this clusterfuck, and lets be clear, the entire US government currently is one massive, steaming pile of donkeyshit, and be like "yeah. that's fine." A country constantly screaming about how they will hold a government responsible just watching how the WH literally has a mental breakdown. edit: look at SK, look at Venezuela etc - people in the US are way too content with the current situation. They don't think it's fine. They just blame Democrats or, more accurately, "liberals" for it. Some think the problem with the current healthcare is Democratic obstruction, for Pete's sake! No, if you think something isn't fine, you change something or at least speak out. If you're content with the current situation, you have to own it = being fine with it. They are speaking out. They're calling the Democrats obstructionists who won't work with them. They're just not blaming who you think they should.
So how are the Dems responsible for that Scarabmurky guy? That's the simplest example of them all. How come that Spicer of all people seems to be one of the very few (in fact, i only know about him) who took a stance?
It's not just about the skinny repeal that shows what a clownshow the WH etc has become. My bad if my statement sounded like it.
And yes Republicans (especially conservatives) hate the Republican party.
Understandably. I consider myself quite conservative (even for american standards), but i never, ever would accept the GOP as my representative.
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On July 28 2017 07:37 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:36 Introvert wrote:On July 28 2017 07:31 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On July 28 2017 07:27 Introvert wrote:On July 28 2017 07:25 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On July 28 2017 07:23 Introvert wrote:On July 28 2017 07:20 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:19 Introvert wrote:On July 28 2017 07:13 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:10 KwarK wrote:
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Doesn't matter if the Democrats hold them accountable, it only matters if the people hold them accountable. And so far that mechanism isn't functioning. No amount of bad governing seems to make the process work. Which is incredibly weird to me. I do not understand how conservatives look at this clusterfuck, and lets be clear, the entire US government currently is one massive, steaming pile of donkeyshit, and be like "yeah. that's fine." A country constantly screaming about how they will hold a government responsible just watching how the WH literally has a mental breakdown. edit: look at SK, look at Venezuela etc - people in the US are way too content with the current situation. This thread re ally is out of it. Which conservatives have said this is Fine? None here. Dude, your fucking politicians? Which ones? Forget conservatives, which Republican politicians have said this is fine? Joe Random house member? All Paul Ryan can muster is sad or exasperated neutrality. I'm sure after the vote, there will be a list of those who voted which way released. Then we can see which politician voted for this. They are show votes, no one wants this bill and the Senate is hoping it dies in the House. No one says what we have now at any level of government is fine. Even the shills are having a harder time Also die--> does apparently The GOP held Congress is so intent on showing they are working on this, that they are willing to take a risk of it being passed. That's pathetic. " Look, we voted a stripped down version and sent it to the House. They voted it into law and the President signed on it. The Senate did their part. The House failed you all. Sorry about your grandma dyingThey need to take this L, go back to the drawing board, and actually work this thing out. They're in such a rush to destroy anything Obama did that they are willing to literally sacrifice millions. Good job. You guys are the heroes we needed to run this country. Banana Republic, here we come. First paragraph is pretty right. Exccpet for the usual scare mongering. They feel they have to vote on SOMETHING. But none if them like it, so they have to figure out who is going to take the hit. That's part of how these votes work. Here's the point: I am not, nor is anyone else, really, excusing this. No one likes this. And yes Republicans (especially conservatives) hate the Republican party. Tldr no one thinks this is "fine." Then stop voting these fucks into office! god.
You're forgetting the main thing about the US. It is a stupid and apathetic country.
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On July 28 2017 07:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:37 Gorsameth wrote:On July 28 2017 07:36 Introvert wrote:On July 28 2017 07:31 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On July 28 2017 07:27 Introvert wrote:On July 28 2017 07:25 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On July 28 2017 07:23 Introvert wrote:On July 28 2017 07:20 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:19 Introvert wrote:On July 28 2017 07:13 m4ini wrote:
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Which is incredibly weird to me.
I do not understand how conservatives look at this clusterfuck, and lets be clear, the entire US government currently is one massive, steaming pile of donkeyshit, and be like "yeah. that's fine."
A country constantly screaming about how they will hold a government responsible just watching how the WH literally has a mental breakdown.
edit: look at SK, look at Venezuela etc - people in the US are way too content with the current situation. This thread re ally is out of it. Which conservatives have said this is Fine? None here. Dude, your fucking politicians? Which ones? Forget conservatives, which Republican politicians have said this is fine? Joe Random house member? All Paul Ryan can muster is sad or exasperated neutrality. I'm sure after the vote, there will be a list of those who voted which way released. Then we can see which politician voted for this. They are show votes, no one wants this bill and the Senate is hoping it dies in the House. No one says what we have now at any level of government is fine. Even the shills are having a harder time Also die--> does apparently The GOP held Congress is so intent on showing they are working on this, that they are willing to take a risk of it being passed. That's pathetic. " Look, we voted a stripped down version and sent it to the House. They voted it into law and the President signed on it. The Senate did their part. The House failed you all. Sorry about your grandma dyingThey need to take this L, go back to the drawing board, and actually work this thing out. They're in such a rush to destroy anything Obama did that they are willing to literally sacrifice millions. Good job. You guys are the heroes we needed to run this country. Banana Republic, here we come. First paragraph is pretty right. Exccpet for the usual scare mongering. They feel they have to vote on SOMETHING. But none if them like it, so they have to figure out who is going to take the hit. That's part of how these votes work. Here's the point: I am not, nor is anyone else, really, excusing this. No one likes this. And yes Republicans (especially conservatives) hate the Republican party. Tldr no one thinks this is "fine." Then stop voting these fucks into office! god. You're forgetting the main thing about the US. It is a stupid and apathetic apologetic country.
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On July 28 2017 07:36 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:31 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On July 28 2017 07:27 Introvert wrote:On July 28 2017 07:25 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On July 28 2017 07:23 Introvert wrote:On July 28 2017 07:20 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:19 Introvert wrote:On July 28 2017 07:13 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:10 KwarK wrote:On July 28 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
It is like they need to go over every single terrible options out loud, in detail before they can decide if that is the terrible options they want to hang themselves with.
Because they know. They know that if they don't do this, the Democrats will hold them over them for a decade. The GOP will be the party of failure for a decade. The obstructed an entire administration trying to repeal on law and then couldn't do it because they never really figured out how to do it. Doesn't matter if the Democrats hold them accountable, it only matters if the people hold them accountable. And so far that mechanism isn't functioning. No amount of bad governing seems to make the process work. Which is incredibly weird to me. I do not understand how conservatives look at this clusterfuck, and lets be clear, the entire US government currently is one massive, steaming pile of donkeyshit, and be like "yeah. that's fine." A country constantly screaming about how they will hold a government responsible just watching how the WH literally has a mental breakdown. edit: look at SK, look at Venezuela etc - people in the US are way too content with the current situation. This thread re ally is out of it. Which conservatives have said this is Fine? None here. Dude, your fucking politicians? Which ones? Forget conservatives, which Republican politicians have said this is fine? Joe Random house member? All Paul Ryan can muster is sad or exasperated neutrality. I'm sure after the vote, there will be a list of those who voted which way released. Then we can see which politician voted for this. They are show votes, no one wants this bill and the Senate is hoping it dies in the House. No one says what we have now at any level of government is fine. Even the shills are having a harder time Also die--> does apparently The GOP held Congress is so intent on showing they are working on this, that they are willing to take a risk of it being passed. That's pathetic. " Look, we voted a stripped down version and sent it to the House. They voted it into law and the President signed on it. The Senate did their part. The House failed you all. Sorry about your grandma dyingThey need to take this L, go back to the drawing board, and actually work this thing out. They're in such a rush to destroy anything Obama did that they are willing to literally sacrifice millions. Good job. You guys are the heroes we needed to run this country. Banana Republic, here we come. First paragraph is pretty right. Exccpet for the usual scare mongering. They feel they have to vote on SOMETHING. But none if them like it, so they have to figure out who is going to take the hit. That's part of how these votes work. Here's the point: I am not, nor is anyone else, really, excusing this. No one likes this. And yes Republicans (especially conservatives) hate the Republican party. Tldr no one thinks this is "fine."
I had to put something into italics. That seemed like the best part. Now, I'm not saying you are fine with this at all, and I don't think anyone here is saying that. What they are saying is that you keep voting this shills into office. Out of loyalty to party. That's just as guilty as not speaking out on it. At some point, responsibility has to be taken and that's the voters who voted these people in. That goes for both sides of the spectrum. You vote dumbasses in, you don't get to complain when they screw you over.
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On July 28 2017 07:38 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:35 TheTenthDoc wrote:On July 28 2017 07:34 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:32 TheTenthDoc wrote:On July 28 2017 07:13 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:10 KwarK wrote:On July 28 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
It is like they need to go over every single terrible options out loud, in detail before they can decide if that is the terrible options they want to hang themselves with.
Because they know. They know that if they don't do this, the Democrats will hold them over them for a decade. The GOP will be the party of failure for a decade. The obstructed an entire administration trying to repeal on law and then couldn't do it because they never really figured out how to do it. Doesn't matter if the Democrats hold them accountable, it only matters if the people hold them accountable. And so far that mechanism isn't functioning. No amount of bad governing seems to make the process work. Which is incredibly weird to me. I do not understand how conservatives look at this clusterfuck, and lets be clear, the entire US government currently is one massive, steaming pile of donkeyshit, and be like "yeah. that's fine." A country constantly screaming about how they will hold a government responsible just watching how the WH literally has a mental breakdown. edit: look at SK, look at Venezuela etc - people in the US are way too content with the current situation. They don't think it's fine. They just blame Democrats or, more accurately, "liberals" for it. Some think the problem with the current healthcare is Democratic obstruction, for Pete's sake! No, if you think something isn't fine, you change something or at least speak out. If you're content with the current situation, you have to own it = being fine with it. They are speaking out. They're calling the Democrats obstructionists who won't work with them. They're just not blaming who you think they should. So how are the Dems responsible for that Scarabmurky guy? That's the simplest example of them all. How come that Spicer of all people seems to be one of the very few (in fact, i only know about him) who took a stance? It's not just about the skinny repeal that shows what a clownshow the WH etc has become. My bad if my statement sounded like it. Understandably. I consider myself quite conservative (even for american standards), but i never, ever would accept the GOP as my representative.
Multiple people in this administration have taken a stance and resigned. They just didn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Spicer was just the guy reading and answering for the stupid shit that went on. He wasn't really anyone that you could blame any of this one. The people who are responsible; Sessions, Preibus, Kushner, Bannon, trump, et al, are the ones who are to blame. They clearly only watched the TV show West Wing and thought they had it all figured out.
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On July 28 2017 07:13 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:10 KwarK wrote:On July 28 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
It is like they need to go over every single terrible options out loud, in detail before they can decide if that is the terrible options they want to hang themselves with.
Because they know. They know that if they don't do this, the Democrats will hold them over them for a decade. The GOP will be the party of failure for a decade. The obstructed an entire administration trying to repeal on law and then couldn't do it because they never really figured out how to do it. Doesn't matter if the Democrats hold them accountable, it only matters if the people hold them accountable. And so far that mechanism isn't functioning. No amount of bad governing seems to make the process work. Which is incredibly weird to me. I do not understand how conservatives look at this clusterfuck, and lets be clear, the entire US government currently is one massive, steaming pile of donkeyshit, and be like "yeah. that's fine." A country constantly screaming about how they will hold a government responsible just watching how the WH literally has a mental breakdown. edit: look at SK, look at Venezuela etc - people in the US are way too content with the current situation.
because stupid.
they also don't like the government, but they view the choices they made as the best ones available to them. because they're completely incompetent at actually selecting people to govern (as most people are). also a heaping dose of rationalization to make them feel ok about the cohices they made.
they don't feel government is fine, they just don't see an alternative, and aren't able to intelligently pick one. and the system isn't setup to fix itself well unless the people can vote intelligently, which they can't.
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On July 28 2017 07:44 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:38 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:35 TheTenthDoc wrote:On July 28 2017 07:34 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:32 TheTenthDoc wrote:On July 28 2017 07:13 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:10 KwarK wrote:On July 28 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
It is like they need to go over every single terrible options out loud, in detail before they can decide if that is the terrible options they want to hang themselves with.
Because they know. They know that if they don't do this, the Democrats will hold them over them for a decade. The GOP will be the party of failure for a decade. The obstructed an entire administration trying to repeal on law and then couldn't do it because they never really figured out how to do it. Doesn't matter if the Democrats hold them accountable, it only matters if the people hold them accountable. And so far that mechanism isn't functioning. No amount of bad governing seems to make the process work. Which is incredibly weird to me. I do not understand how conservatives look at this clusterfuck, and lets be clear, the entire US government currently is one massive, steaming pile of donkeyshit, and be like "yeah. that's fine." A country constantly screaming about how they will hold a government responsible just watching how the WH literally has a mental breakdown. edit: look at SK, look at Venezuela etc - people in the US are way too content with the current situation. They don't think it's fine. They just blame Democrats or, more accurately, "liberals" for it. Some think the problem with the current healthcare is Democratic obstruction, for Pete's sake! No, if you think something isn't fine, you change something or at least speak out. If you're content with the current situation, you have to own it = being fine with it. They are speaking out. They're calling the Democrats obstructionists who won't work with them. They're just not blaming who you think they should. So how are the Dems responsible for that Scarabmurky guy? That's the simplest example of them all. How come that Spicer of all people seems to be one of the very few (in fact, i only know about him) who took a stance? It's not just about the skinny repeal that shows what a clownshow the WH etc has become. My bad if my statement sounded like it. And yes Republicans (especially conservatives) hate the Republican party.
Understandably. I consider myself quite conservative (even for american standards), but i never, ever would accept the GOP as my representative. Multiple people in this administration have taken a stance and resigned. They just didn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Spicer was just the guy reading and answering for the stupid shit that went on. He wasn't really anyone that you could blame any of this one. The people who are responsible; Sessions, Preibus, Kushner, Bannon, trump, et al, are the ones who are to blame. They clearly only watched the TV show West Wing and thought they had it all figured out.
I know some people resigned, as i said, i didn't mean "every single one".
Oh and in regards to Spicer, don't get me wrong. I know that he's "been played". Said that already months ago when he defended a stupid arbitrary tweet yet again (can't remember which one). I'm not blaming him, i'm saying that it's weird that only so very few, if any notable, republicans tell it like it is or, god bless, criticise trump openly. Again, something that does happen in any other developed country.
It doesn't happen here because for republicans, it's party before country. And i feel like at this point, anyone arguing against that should have a good look at what's going on currently. Before you (or others) say it: i do know that most of our house-republicans here at least to some extend agree with that.
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@above, since i'm not familiar with it, how long usually until the potus signs a bill (or in this case, almost certainly vetoes it) after being voted for?
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A bill attacking his buddy Putin AND limiting presidential power? Will he still try and veto despite the overwhelming votes?
Poll: Will Trump sign or veto the bill?Veto (15) 71% Sign (6) 29% 21 total votes Your vote: Will Trump sign or veto the bill? (Vote): Sign
(Vote): Veto
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On July 28 2017 07:44 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:38 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:35 TheTenthDoc wrote:On July 28 2017 07:34 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:32 TheTenthDoc wrote:On July 28 2017 07:13 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:10 KwarK wrote:On July 28 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
It is like they need to go over every single terrible options out loud, in detail before they can decide if that is the terrible options they want to hang themselves with.
Because they know. They know that if they don't do this, the Democrats will hold them over them for a decade. The GOP will be the party of failure for a decade. The obstructed an entire administration trying to repeal on law and then couldn't do it because they never really figured out how to do it. Doesn't matter if the Democrats hold them accountable, it only matters if the people hold them accountable. And so far that mechanism isn't functioning. No amount of bad governing seems to make the process work. Which is incredibly weird to me. I do not understand how conservatives look at this clusterfuck, and lets be clear, the entire US government currently is one massive, steaming pile of donkeyshit, and be like "yeah. that's fine." A country constantly screaming about how they will hold a government responsible just watching how the WH literally has a mental breakdown. edit: look at SK, look at Venezuela etc - people in the US are way too content with the current situation. They don't think it's fine. They just blame Democrats or, more accurately, "liberals" for it. Some think the problem with the current healthcare is Democratic obstruction, for Pete's sake! No, if you think something isn't fine, you change something or at least speak out. If you're content with the current situation, you have to own it = being fine with it. They are speaking out. They're calling the Democrats obstructionists who won't work with them. They're just not blaming who you think they should. So how are the Dems responsible for that Scarabmurky guy? That's the simplest example of them all. How come that Spicer of all people seems to be one of the very few (in fact, i only know about him) who took a stance? It's not just about the skinny repeal that shows what a clownshow the WH etc has become. My bad if my statement sounded like it. And yes Republicans (especially conservatives) hate the Republican party.
Understandably. I consider myself quite conservative (even for american standards), but i never, ever would accept the GOP as my representative. Multiple people in this administration have taken a stance and resigned. They just didn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Spicer was just the guy reading and answering for the stupid shit that went on. He wasn't really anyone that you could blame any of this one. The people who are responsible; Sessions, Preibus, Kushner, Bannon, trump, et al, are the ones who are to blame. They clearly only watched the TV show West Wing and thought they had it all figured out.
TWW was an amazing show and I'd gladly trade any of our real Trump-appointed politicians for the actors who played the competent staff in TWW (e.g., I'd prefer Allison Janney- not even the amazing C.J. Cregg- to our real press secretaries).
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