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On July 28 2017 07:10 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
It is like they need to go over every single terrible options out loud, in detail before they can decide if that is the terrible options they want to hang themselves with.
Because they know. They know that if they don't do this, the Democrats will hold them over them for a decade. The GOP will be the party of failure for a decade. The obstructed an entire administration trying to repeal on law and then couldn't do it because they never really figured out how to do it. Doesn't matter if the Democrats hold them accountable, it only matters if the people hold them accountable. And so far that mechanism isn't functioning. No amount of bad governing seems to make the process work.
Which is incredibly weird to me.
I do not understand how conservatives look at this clusterfuck, and lets be clear, the entire US government currently is one massive, steaming pile of donkeyshit, and be like "yeah. that's fine."
A country constantly screaming about how they will hold a government responsible just watching how the WH literally has a mental breakdown.
edit: look at SK, look at Venezuela etc - people in the US are way too content with the current situation.
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On July 28 2017 07:13 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:10 KwarK wrote:On July 28 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
It is like they need to go over every single terrible options out loud, in detail before they can decide if that is the terrible options they want to hang themselves with.
Because they know. They know that if they don't do this, the Democrats will hold them over them for a decade. The GOP will be the party of failure for a decade. The obstructed an entire administration trying to repeal on law and then couldn't do it because they never really figured out how to do it. Doesn't matter if the Democrats hold them accountable, it only matters if the people hold them accountable. And so far that mechanism isn't functioning. No amount of bad governing seems to make the process work. Which is incredibly weird to me. I do not understand how conservatives look at this clusterfuck, and lets be clear, the entire US government currently is one massive, steaming pile of donkeyshit, and be like "yeah. that's fine." A country constantly screaming about how they will hold a government responsible just watching how the WH literally has a mental breakdown.
Uhh b-b-because her emails!!!!!!
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On July 28 2017 07:10 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
It is like they need to go over every single terrible options out loud, in detail before they can decide if that is the terrible options they want to hang themselves with.
Because they know. They know that if they don't do this, the Democrats will hold them over them for a decade. The GOP will be the party of failure for a decade. The obstructed an entire administration trying to repeal on law and then couldn't do it because they never really figured out how to do it. Doesn't matter if the Democrats hold them accountable, it only matters if the people hold them accountable. And so far that mechanism isn't functioning. No amount of bad governing seems to make the process work.
These people do not understand it when you tell them the stove is hot.
They only believe it after they have touched the stove multiple times.
Its the old "but surely they didn't mean my healthcare, only those of the do nothing hippies".
Same deal with any other form of government assistance. They want it all gone so long as its everyone else losing it and not them.
If not for the suffering of tens of millions who don't want this, I would tell em to gladly try if the stove is hot.
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What are the Democrats going to run on if this great, wonderful program called Obamacare doesn't get touched? Collusion? lol
Gop passing a crap bill that barely does anything is actually worse than doing nothing, politically.
Which is why all these Senators who voted for repeal in 2015 and didn't do crap for it now should all be primaried.
But gop ineffectiveness won't drive Democrat turnout as hard as fake repeal.
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When they come for my VA bennies, that's when I'll get to calling and writing. Until then, I'll be an internet warrior for everyone else.
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On July 28 2017 07:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:13 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:10 KwarK wrote:On July 28 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
It is like they need to go over every single terrible options out loud, in detail before they can decide if that is the terrible options they want to hang themselves with.
Because they know. They know that if they don't do this, the Democrats will hold them over them for a decade. The GOP will be the party of failure for a decade. The obstructed an entire administration trying to repeal on law and then couldn't do it because they never really figured out how to do it. Doesn't matter if the Democrats hold them accountable, it only matters if the people hold them accountable. And so far that mechanism isn't functioning. No amount of bad governing seems to make the process work. Which is incredibly weird to me. I do not understand how conservatives look at this clusterfuck, and lets be clear, the entire US government currently is one massive, steaming pile of donkeyshit, and be like "yeah. that's fine." A country constantly screaming about how they will hold a government responsible just watching how the WH literally has a mental breakdown. Uhh b-b-because her emails!!!!!!
Don't get me wrong. I do not think Hillary would've been a great president either.
But at this point it's getting hard to take people like xDaunt etc serious when they argue that HRC + Staff would've been worse than this WH.
I mean, yeah. They still cover their eyes and ears going "LALALALA", but at some point one has to fucking wake up, or you should be held responsible (and i mean personally) for whatever happens to the US.
What are the Democrats going to run on if this great, wonderful program called Obamacare doesn't get touched? Collusion? lol
How about "we gave you Obamacare, something so good that even with senate, congress and president the republicans were too incompetent to change"?
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On July 28 2017 07:17 Introvert wrote:
What are the Democrats going to run on if this great, wonderful program called Obamacare doesn't get touched? Collusion? lol
Gop passing a crap bill that barely does anything is actually worse than doing nothing, politically.
Which is why all these Senators who voted for repeal in 2015 and didn't do crap for it now should all be primaried.
But gop ineffectiveness won't drive Democrat turnout as hard as fake repeal.
Fake repeal means that any and all premium increases (whether it was general market driven and/or attributable to the legislation or not) are instantly fully attributable to the Republican Party. Disappointing your partisans is far better than losing the center due to premium increases. Ask the 2010 Democrats.
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On July 28 2017 07:10 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
It is like they need to go over every single terrible options out loud, in detail before they can decide if that is the terrible options they want to hang themselves with.
Because they know. They know that if they don't do this, the Democrats will hold them over them for a decade. The GOP will be the party of failure for a decade. The obstructed an entire administration trying to repeal on law and then couldn't do it because they never really figured out how to do it. Doesn't matter if the Democrats hold them accountable, it only matters if the people hold them accountable. And so far that mechanism isn't functioning. No amount of bad governing seems to make the process work.
Great Depression 2.0. It's the only way. They want less government, clearly that must be provided.
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On July 28 2017 07:13 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:10 KwarK wrote:On July 28 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
It is like they need to go over every single terrible options out loud, in detail before they can decide if that is the terrible options they want to hang themselves with.
Because they know. They know that if they don't do this, the Democrats will hold them over them for a decade. The GOP will be the party of failure for a decade. The obstructed an entire administration trying to repeal on law and then couldn't do it because they never really figured out how to do it. Doesn't matter if the Democrats hold them accountable, it only matters if the people hold them accountable. And so far that mechanism isn't functioning. No amount of bad governing seems to make the process work. Which is incredibly weird to me. I do not understand how conservatives look at this clusterfuck, and lets be clear, the entire US government currently is one massive, steaming pile of donkeyshit, and be like "yeah. that's fine." A country constantly screaming about how they will hold a government responsible just watching how the WH literally has a mental breakdown. edit: look at SK, look at Venezuela etc - people in the US are way too content with the current situation.
This thread re ally is out of it. Which conservatives have said this is Fine? None here.
Edit: my phone capitalised "Fine" wtf
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On July 28 2017 07:17 Introvert wrote:
What are the Democrats going to run on if this great, wonderful program called Obamacare doesn't get touched? Collusion? lol
Gop passing a crap bill that barely does anything is actually worse than doing nothing, politically.
Which is why all these Senators who voted for repeal in 2015 and didn't do crap for it now should all be primaried.
But gop ineffectiveness won't drive Democrat turnout as hard as fake repeal.
This is why I said there needs to be term limits. Some of these people are just too old to be here making decisions for an entire country that has passed them by. And there needs to be an overhaul in education within the US but we got the lady from 101 Dalmatians instead. So there goes the education route. Any other suggestions that would help a grassroots movement to get people to wake the fuck up?
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On July 28 2017 07:19 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:13 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:10 KwarK wrote:On July 28 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
It is like they need to go over every single terrible options out loud, in detail before they can decide if that is the terrible options they want to hang themselves with.
Because they know. They know that if they don't do this, the Democrats will hold them over them for a decade. The GOP will be the party of failure for a decade. The obstructed an entire administration trying to repeal on law and then couldn't do it because they never really figured out how to do it. Doesn't matter if the Democrats hold them accountable, it only matters if the people hold them accountable. And so far that mechanism isn't functioning. No amount of bad governing seems to make the process work. Which is incredibly weird to me. I do not understand how conservatives look at this clusterfuck, and lets be clear, the entire US government currently is one massive, steaming pile of donkeyshit, and be like "yeah. that's fine." A country constantly screaming about how they will hold a government responsible just watching how the WH literally has a mental breakdown. edit: look at SK, look at Venezuela etc - people in the US are way too content with the current situation. This thread re ally is out of it. Which conservatives have said this is Fine? None here.
Dude, your fucking politicians?
edit: and most of their supporters? You can't really point at an extremely liberal teamliquid and go "yeah no conservative thinks this is fine" wtf
edit2: maybe i should've said republican instead of conservative, these start to become two different things
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On July 28 2017 07:19 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:13 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:10 KwarK wrote:On July 28 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
It is like they need to go over every single terrible options out loud, in detail before they can decide if that is the terrible options they want to hang themselves with.
Because they know. They know that if they don't do this, the Democrats will hold them over them for a decade. The GOP will be the party of failure for a decade. The obstructed an entire administration trying to repeal on law and then couldn't do it because they never really figured out how to do it. Doesn't matter if the Democrats hold them accountable, it only matters if the people hold them accountable. And so far that mechanism isn't functioning. No amount of bad governing seems to make the process work. Which is incredibly weird to me. I do not understand how conservatives look at this clusterfuck, and lets be clear, the entire US government currently is one massive, steaming pile of donkeyshit, and be like "yeah. that's fine." A country constantly screaming about how they will hold a government responsible just watching how the WH literally has a mental breakdown. edit: look at SK, look at Venezuela etc - people in the US are way too content with the current situation. This thread re ally is out of it. Which conservatives have said this is Fine? None here. Edit: my phone capitalised "Fine" wtf
The silence of those speaks volumes. Granted, they might be actually working instead of posting on TL, but they've had moments where they could have taken a quick break to respond to some of the left's accusations/statements, no?
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On July 28 2017 07:19 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:13 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:10 KwarK wrote:On July 28 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
It is like they need to go over every single terrible options out loud, in detail before they can decide if that is the terrible options they want to hang themselves with.
Because they know. They know that if they don't do this, the Democrats will hold them over them for a decade. The GOP will be the party of failure for a decade. The obstructed an entire administration trying to repeal on law and then couldn't do it because they never really figured out how to do it. Doesn't matter if the Democrats hold them accountable, it only matters if the people hold them accountable. And so far that mechanism isn't functioning. No amount of bad governing seems to make the process work. Which is incredibly weird to me. I do not understand how conservatives look at this clusterfuck, and lets be clear, the entire US government currently is one massive, steaming pile of donkeyshit, and be like "yeah. that's fine." A country constantly screaming about how they will hold a government responsible just watching how the WH literally has a mental breakdown. edit: look at SK, look at Venezuela etc - people in the US are way too content with the current situation. This thread re ally is out of it. Which conservatives have said this is Fine? None here. Edit: my phone capitalised "Fine" wtf
At some point you become responsible for the politicians you elected.
House, Senate and Presidency.
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On July 28 2017 07:20 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:19 Introvert wrote:On July 28 2017 07:13 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:10 KwarK wrote:On July 28 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
It is like they need to go over every single terrible options out loud, in detail before they can decide if that is the terrible options they want to hang themselves with.
Because they know. They know that if they don't do this, the Democrats will hold them over them for a decade. The GOP will be the party of failure for a decade. The obstructed an entire administration trying to repeal on law and then couldn't do it because they never really figured out how to do it. Doesn't matter if the Democrats hold them accountable, it only matters if the people hold them accountable. And so far that mechanism isn't functioning. No amount of bad governing seems to make the process work. Which is incredibly weird to me. I do not understand how conservatives look at this clusterfuck, and lets be clear, the entire US government currently is one massive, steaming pile of donkeyshit, and be like "yeah. that's fine." A country constantly screaming about how they will hold a government responsible just watching how the WH literally has a mental breakdown. edit: look at SK, look at Venezuela etc - people in the US are way too content with the current situation. This thread re ally is out of it. Which conservatives have said this is Fine? None here. Dude, your fucking politicians?
Which ones? Forget conservatives, which Republican politicians have said this is fine? Joe Random house member? All Paul Ryan can muster is sad or exasperated neutrality.
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On July 28 2017 07:23 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:20 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:19 Introvert wrote:On July 28 2017 07:13 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:10 KwarK wrote:On July 28 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
It is like they need to go over every single terrible options out loud, in detail before they can decide if that is the terrible options they want to hang themselves with.
Because they know. They know that if they don't do this, the Democrats will hold them over them for a decade. The GOP will be the party of failure for a decade. The obstructed an entire administration trying to repeal on law and then couldn't do it because they never really figured out how to do it. Doesn't matter if the Democrats hold them accountable, it only matters if the people hold them accountable. And so far that mechanism isn't functioning. No amount of bad governing seems to make the process work. Which is incredibly weird to me. I do not understand how conservatives look at this clusterfuck, and lets be clear, the entire US government currently is one massive, steaming pile of donkeyshit, and be like "yeah. that's fine." A country constantly screaming about how they will hold a government responsible just watching how the WH literally has a mental breakdown. edit: look at SK, look at Venezuela etc - people in the US are way too content with the current situation. This thread re ally is out of it. Which conservatives have said this is Fine? None here. Dude, your fucking politicians? Which ones? Forget conservatives, which Republican politicians have said this is fine? Joe Random house member? All Paul Ryan can muster is sad or exasperated neutrality.
I'm sure after the vote, there will be a list of those who voted which way released. Then we can see which politician voted for this.
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On July 28 2017 07:23 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:19 Introvert wrote:On July 28 2017 07:13 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:10 KwarK wrote:On July 28 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
It is like they need to go over every single terrible options out loud, in detail before they can decide if that is the terrible options they want to hang themselves with.
Because they know. They know that if they don't do this, the Democrats will hold them over them for a decade. The GOP will be the party of failure for a decade. The obstructed an entire administration trying to repeal on law and then couldn't do it because they never really figured out how to do it. Doesn't matter if the Democrats hold them accountable, it only matters if the people hold them accountable. And so far that mechanism isn't functioning. No amount of bad governing seems to make the process work. Which is incredibly weird to me. I do not understand how conservatives look at this clusterfuck, and lets be clear, the entire US government currently is one massive, steaming pile of donkeyshit, and be like "yeah. that's fine." A country constantly screaming about how they will hold a government responsible just watching how the WH literally has a mental breakdown. edit: look at SK, look at Venezuela etc - people in the US are way too content with the current situation. This thread re ally is out of it. Which conservatives have said this is Fine? None here. Edit: my phone capitalised "Fine" wtf At some point you become responsible for the politicians you elected. House, Senate and Presidency.
Which isn't even the same thing. No one approves of this. I mean we had a Tea Party in 2008-2010 ffs.
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On July 28 2017 07:23 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:20 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:19 Introvert wrote:On July 28 2017 07:13 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:10 KwarK wrote:On July 28 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
It is like they need to go over every single terrible options out loud, in detail before they can decide if that is the terrible options they want to hang themselves with.
Because they know. They know that if they don't do this, the Democrats will hold them over them for a decade. The GOP will be the party of failure for a decade. The obstructed an entire administration trying to repeal on law and then couldn't do it because they never really figured out how to do it. Doesn't matter if the Democrats hold them accountable, it only matters if the people hold them accountable. And so far that mechanism isn't functioning. No amount of bad governing seems to make the process work. Which is incredibly weird to me. I do not understand how conservatives look at this clusterfuck, and lets be clear, the entire US government currently is one massive, steaming pile of donkeyshit, and be like "yeah. that's fine." A country constantly screaming about how they will hold a government responsible just watching how the WH literally has a mental breakdown. edit: look at SK, look at Venezuela etc - people in the US are way too content with the current situation. This thread re ally is out of it. Which conservatives have said this is Fine? None here. Dude, your fucking politicians? Which ones? Forget conservatives, which Republican politicians have said this is fine? Joe Random house member? All Paul Ryan can muster is sad or exasperated neutrality.
How many, roughly in percent, have called it like it is? How many seem content with the situation?
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On July 28 2017 07:25 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:23 Introvert wrote:On July 28 2017 07:20 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:19 Introvert wrote:On July 28 2017 07:13 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:10 KwarK wrote:On July 28 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
It is like they need to go over every single terrible options out loud, in detail before they can decide if that is the terrible options they want to hang themselves with.
Because they know. They know that if they don't do this, the Democrats will hold them over them for a decade. The GOP will be the party of failure for a decade. The obstructed an entire administration trying to repeal on law and then couldn't do it because they never really figured out how to do it. Doesn't matter if the Democrats hold them accountable, it only matters if the people hold them accountable. And so far that mechanism isn't functioning. No amount of bad governing seems to make the process work. Which is incredibly weird to me. I do not understand how conservatives look at this clusterfuck, and lets be clear, the entire US government currently is one massive, steaming pile of donkeyshit, and be like "yeah. that's fine." A country constantly screaming about how they will hold a government responsible just watching how the WH literally has a mental breakdown. edit: look at SK, look at Venezuela etc - people in the US are way too content with the current situation. This thread re ally is out of it. Which conservatives have said this is Fine? None here. Dude, your fucking politicians? Which ones? Forget conservatives, which Republican politicians have said this is fine? Joe Random house member? All Paul Ryan can muster is sad or exasperated neutrality. I'm sure after the vote, there will be a list of those who voted which way released. Then we can see which politician voted for this.
They are show votes, no one wants this bill and the Senate is hoping it dies in the House. No one says what we have now at any level of government is fine. Even the shills are having a harder time
Also die--> does apparently
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On July 28 2017 07:23 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2017 07:20 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:19 Introvert wrote:On July 28 2017 07:13 m4ini wrote:On July 28 2017 07:10 KwarK wrote:On July 28 2017 07:07 Plansix wrote:
It is like they need to go over every single terrible options out loud, in detail before they can decide if that is the terrible options they want to hang themselves with.
Because they know. They know that if they don't do this, the Democrats will hold them over them for a decade. The GOP will be the party of failure for a decade. The obstructed an entire administration trying to repeal on law and then couldn't do it because they never really figured out how to do it. Doesn't matter if the Democrats hold them accountable, it only matters if the people hold them accountable. And so far that mechanism isn't functioning. No amount of bad governing seems to make the process work. Which is incredibly weird to me. I do not understand how conservatives look at this clusterfuck, and lets be clear, the entire US government currently is one massive, steaming pile of donkeyshit, and be like "yeah. that's fine." A country constantly screaming about how they will hold a government responsible just watching how the WH literally has a mental breakdown. edit: look at SK, look at Venezuela etc - people in the US are way too content with the current situation. This thread re ally is out of it. Which conservatives have said this is Fine? None here. Dude, your fucking politicians? Which ones? Forget conservatives, which Republican politicians have said this is fine? Joe Random house member? All Paul Ryan can muster is sad or exasperated neutrality.
Have *said* this is fine, or simply acted like this is fine? Because keep in mind that most of the Republicans in Congress aren't speaking out against this entire clusterfuck and they're towing the party line that McConnell and Trump (the tortoise and the hair) have been trying to push. If Republican politicians aren't speaking out against this nonsense, then they're complicit in it.
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