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TheTenthDoc
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Plansix
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On June 22 2017 01:43 TheTenthDoc wrote: It's also important to recognize the ongoing trend of "primary challenge all the people who aren't conservative/liberal enough for their party" is pretty universal. The Freedom Caucus and the Tea Party are still trying to sink their claws into and dethrone establishment folks with a decent hit rate. They just seem to be more likely to settle for the lesser of two evils argument. It is really weird how the left is generally lot less flexible than the right when it comes to representation. The right seems fine to take what they can get whereas people from the left have a really hard time managing the ego impacts of voting for the lesser of two evils. People I have discussed this topic with always seem to feel like their vote is some sort of part of their soul and that there is a great deal of preservation of ego what occurs when someone chooses not to vote. In many ways, it feels like the left see themselves as much more individually important than the right. Not sure what I would attribute it to, but overall, I feel the left is generally much more protective of their identity and see a non-ideal vote as a form of losing a part of who they are. I'd be interested in reading work done on this topic, but I'm not sure what to search for. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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LegalLord
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On June 22 2017 01:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Everyone just chill the fuck out. https://twitter.com/CNN/status/877564848518774784 I heard of about six such incidents within the past month or so. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 22 2017 01:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Everyone just chill the fuck out. https://twitter.com/CNN/status/877564848518774784 That is NATO, so clearly they are tired of Russian plans pull the same stunts with US/NATO ships. Welcome to the cold war 2.0. Now with cyber attacks and Iphone videos of warplanes flying way to close. | ||
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Ghostcom
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On June 22 2017 01:57 LegalLord wrote: I heard of about six such incidents within the past month or so. You mean like the Russian Bomber which went on approach vector towards the Danish island of Bornholm the day our "Folkemøde" (t/n: literally peoples meeting) started which meant most if not all politicians were gathered there celebrating the democratic and nordic tradition of having the governing people meet the people? Sweden and Denmark have to scramble jets so often to reject russian planes from our airspace that it no longer makes the news. Maybe this will finally get the morons in Kreml to stop doing dangerous stupid shit like when they nearly crashed a passenger flight last year because they want to show of the size of their very small penis. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On June 22 2017 01:24 Logo wrote: It's that damn violent left up to their old tricks again. Idk, the saddest thing is it's not surprising anymore. ICE has placed a detainer on the suspect, suggesting he is illegally in this country and subject to removal. Which may place this case under the header of: What are people getting upset about? Illegals harm at lower rates than citizens. Modern American discourse. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 22 2017 01:50 Mohdoo wrote: It is really weird how the left is generally lot less flexible than the right when it comes to representation. The right seems fine to take what they can get whereas people from the left have a really hard time managing the ego impacts of voting for the lesser of two evils. People I have discussed this topic with always seem to feel like their vote is some sort of part of their soul and that there is a great deal of preservation of ego what occurs when someone chooses not to vote. In many ways, it feels like the left see themselves as much more individually important than the right. Not sure what I would attribute it to, but overall, I feel the left is generally much more protective of their identity and see a non-ideal vote as a form of losing a part of who they are. I'd be interested in reading work done on this topic, but I'm not sure what to search for. The far right wing of the GOP is firmly entrenched and all about the long game. Abortion, gun rights, preserving "marriage" is something want to chip away at. And they don't want it on the national level. Many of them seem perfectly happy to just have abortion and planned parenthood removed from their state. They don't care what Boston or NYC does. They have their power base and will just hold onto it. They don't care if someone like Trump is elected, because he is around for 8 years max. But the Supreme Court is for 40 years. And if wall street happens to get deregulated again, they don't care that much. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On June 22 2017 02:04 Ghostcom wrote: You mean like the Russian Bomber which went on approach vector towards the Danish island of Bornholm the day our "Folkemøde" (t/n: literally peoples meeting) started which meant most if not all politicians were gathered there celebrating the democratic and nordic tradition of having the governing people meet the people? Sweden and Denmark have to scramble jets so often to reject russian planes from our airspace that it no longer makes the news. Maybe this will finally get the morons in Kreml to stop doing dangerous stupid shit like when they nearly crashed a passenger flight last year because they want to show of the size of their very small penis. Chill out for a moment and realize that I was simply noting that this is one in a series of similar encounters. No need to fume and start venting about unrelated events. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 22 2017 02:06 Danglars wrote: ICE has placed a detainer on the suspect, suggesting he is illegally in this country and subject to removal. Which may place this case under the header of: What are people getting upset about? Illegals harm at lower rates than citizens. Modern American discourse. I was upset because the memorial was burned for no reason and it just seemed cruel compared on top the horrible facts surrounding that murder. On June 22 2017 02:08 LegalLord wrote: Chill out for a moment and realize that I was simply noting that this is one in a series of similar encounters. No need to fume and start venting about unrelated events. I do not believe they are unrelated. I am happy someone from across the pond is talking about how this stuff has become common place with Russia. The media is doing a terrible job of covering events like what Ghostcom is talking about in a comprehensive manner. You would think they could compile a 6-12 month break down showing the Russia's growing aggression around their airspace. We could enter crazy land when US and EU flights no longer feel safe flying over or near Russian airspace. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On June 22 2017 02:08 LegalLord wrote: Chill out for a moment and realize that I was simply noting that this is one in a series of similar encounters. No need to fume and start venting about unrelated events. I'm completely calm. If I wanted to vent I would've provided you with an exhaustive list of these incidents in the past month. The incidents are all connected. No need to project. EDIT: We were in the crazy-land Plansix mentioned for a week or two last year following multiple near-collision incidents as the ones described here: http://www.dw.com/en/russian-military-jet-nearly-collides-with-passenger-plane-again/a-18127570 I know of at least 3 people that delayed business trips to China for a month or two until the Russians had simmered back down again. | ||
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a_flayer
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On June 22 2017 02:11 Plansix wrote: I was upset because the memorial was burned for no reason and it just seemed cruel compared on top the horrible facts surrounding that murder. I do not believe they are unrelated. I am happy someone from across the pond is talking about how this stuff has become common place with Russia. The media is doing a terrible job of covering events like what Ghostcom is talking about in a comprehensive manner. You would think they could compile a 6-12 month break down showing the Russia's growing aggression around their airspace. We could enter crazy land when US and EU flights no longer feel safe flying over or near Russian airspace. I hope that break down would include the increased amount of NATO (scout) flights near Russia and lists time frames when the flights both started increasing in continued reactions to one another actions on various levels (military, politics, etc). | ||
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Slydie
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On June 22 2017 01:50 Mohdoo wrote: It is really weird how the left is generally lot less flexible than the right when it comes to representation. The right seems fine to take what they can get whereas people from the left have a really hard time managing the ego impacts of voting for the lesser of two evils. People I have discussed this topic with always seem to feel like their vote is some sort of part of their soul and that there is a great deal of preservation of ego what occurs when someone chooses not to vote. In many ways, it feels like the left see themselves as much more individually important than the right. Not sure what I would attribute it to, but overall, I feel the left is generally much more protective of their identity and see a non-ideal vote as a form of losing a part of who they are. I'd be interested in reading work done on this topic, but I'm not sure what to search for. That theory is hard to prove, you will see what you want to see. There are some major weaknesses to a 2-party system, both will always have varying degrees of internal disagreement. The far-right parties of Europe have big problems finding partners for colaboration, often growing big, but isolated. I would not try to argue that the left are less inclined to make a pact with the lesser of 2 evils. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On June 22 2017 02:23 a_flayer wrote: I hope that break down would include the increased amount of NATO (scout) flights near Russia. Military flights (NATO scout flights, Russian reaction time-check flights, Russian bomb-run flights etc) are all miles more acceptable than what the Russians are doing to commercial airlines. They can go fuck off with their complaining of unfair treatment until they cease that shit. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On June 22 2017 02:21 Ghostcom wrote: I'm completely calm. If I wanted to vent I would've provided you with an exhaustive list of these incidents in the past month. The incidents are all connected. No need to project. Evidently not - you took the "Russia so mean to us, fuck Russia" approach - clear venting. If you want to prove that you could vent more, congrats? I'm sure you could if you tried. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On June 22 2017 02:27 LegalLord wrote: Evidently not - you took the "Russia so mean to us, fuck Russia" approach - clear venting. If you want to prove that you could vent more, congrats? I'm sure you could if you tried. No I ensure you, this is the objective approach from any sane person. If you want to actual talk substance at some point you are welcome back. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On June 22 2017 02:26 Slydie wrote: That theory is hard to prove, you will see what you want to see. There are some major weaknesses to a 2-party system, both will always have varying degrees of internal disagreement. The far-right parties of Europe have big problems finding partners for colaboration, often growing big, but isolated. I would not try to argue that the left are less inclined to make a pact with the lesser of 2 evils. I don't think it's an intrinsic property of the left and right political spectrum per se. I think it's just a function of the way the U.S. left and right have developed over time and the media they both have access to. When your choice is someone who you genuinely believe wants to kill babies and someone who voted for some pork and government spending you didn't like...I feel like it would be easier to hold your nose. Just look at how readily Cruz and co. backed Trump. That was never genuinely liking Trump; that was pure devil you dislike over devil you don't. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 22 2017 02:21 Ghostcom wrote: I'm completely calm. If I wanted to vent I would've provided you with an exhaustive list of these incidents in the past month. The incidents are all connected. No need to project. EDIT: We were in the crazy-land Plansix mentioned for a week or two last year following multiple near-collision incidents as the ones described here: http://www.dw.com/en/russian-military-jet-nearly-collides-with-passenger-plane-again/a-18127570 I know of at least 3 people that delayed business trips to China for a month or two until the Russians had simmered back down again. We are very quickly moving towards that. I don't know when it will happen, but at some point those commercial flights become a risk. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On June 22 2017 02:28 Ghostcom wrote: No I ensure you, this is the objective approach from any sane person. If you want to actual talk substance at some point you are welcome back. What substance? All I saw was venting from your end. Chill - there's no "substance" to discuss when your perception is so skewed that all you're really looking to do is to find a way to complain more about Russia. That said, I don't particularly care about this event. When something more consequential happens than a couple of symbolic provocative gestures, that might be newsworthy. As it stands, I mostly just see you throwing out complaints without much purpose beyond venting. | ||
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