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On June 10 2017 06:13 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2017 06:09 Ernaine wrote:
You are a bit right. I remember watching the golf course video. And surely I have to admit, Trump has a different mode which he can potentially enter.
But when it comes to Comey, he either lies, or admits he lied, or refuses to answer. Not lying isn't easy when truth is not on your side and you are in a desperate fight with someone who does.
But we also have to wonder what the presidency did to Trump's sanity so far. I consider his weight, general health, diet and stressful lifestyle. Then I consider his age and wonder how long this can continue.
depends how unreliable his doctor's note is.
IF you take his last doctor's note on his health stats as correct; putting them into the first more detailed lifespan calculator I found
https://www.johnhancockinsurance.com/life/life-expectancy-tool.aspx
puts estimated lifespan at early 90s.
The social security actuarial tables (which are far less specific, being only age/gender) say average lifespan would be about 15 more years, so 85.
those are of course averages (under/over I think, not sure though)
While his lifestyle his high stress and his diet is rather poor; his weight isn't THAT high; and his diet isn't terrible, a lot of people's diets really aren't that good. He doesn't have overt major health problems; many people by that age do have such issues. So those numbers could well be pretty accurate. He can also afford top end medical care of course.
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On June 10 2017 06:32 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2017 06:28 NewSunshine wrote:On June 10 2017 06:19 Danglars wrote:On June 10 2017 05:16 NewSunshine wrote:On June 10 2017 04:56 Danglars wrote:On June 10 2017 02:22 NewSunshine wrote:On June 10 2017 01:57 Danglars wrote:
I think the best thing to do is criticize him for things that deserve criticism and applaud him for things that deserve praise. Calling his supporters blind is admitting to blindness yourself. I used the words "blindly supporting", describing the action and not the person. And the primary person in the thread to which I was referring was you, "taking whatever good you could find". You're the one supporting a president and celebrating because he wasn't incriminated worse than he was yesterday, which was still pretty badly. There comes a point where someone just doesn't deserve to be defended anymore. What has he done that's positive that I'm supposed to applaud? I can give credit where it's due, but I don't see any. Quote me celebrating. Contentment at the truth getting out is more like it. You should pay more attention to people that also criticize the president. We certainly don't need any more denizens that demand hopping aboard the Trump hysteria bandwagon to prove they aren't blind. It's deciding the conclusion of Trump supporters and then seeking only angles that support your conclusion. You'll find yourself caught without terms for people that believe the president in everything he calls fake news, because you are a broad brush criticizer. Enough harping on how awful I am for expressing my distaste for the president, I asked you a very specific question. What has president Trump actually accomplished, that should merit anything other than criticism and dismay? What should I be applauding? You seem to be upset that he's only garnering criticism here, but show me that he deserves anything else. I put no onus on you to applaud; you may be as critical as you like of Trump. That's your right. I'm calling your attention to how carelessly you call others blind when you yourself exhibit blindness. I don't care how you feel about how I feel about Trump. Answer the question I asked, if you feel I am unjustly harsh on president Trump, if you feel I am ignoring accomplishments he has made. What are they? I welcome all additional information. Or continue to not answer me. Gorsuch. Gorsuch is such an enormous win. Voting for Trump was 100% justified as a conservative for the sake of the court.
many of them do seem to feel that way. it's sad that people would think that way. shows they don't really care about the law or constitution itself; but only pushing their own interpretation of it. also disregards the vast amount of other consequences.
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On June 10 2017 06:36 Mohdoo wrote:
People need to ask themselves why they supported Clinton and realize a lot of people are in the same boat with Trump. Choosing the lesser of two evils doesn't mean you even somewhat like the candidate you chose. Clinton would have given me the court I wanted.
The difference being that I think everyone in this thread would have dropped Clinton like a hot potato if she did half the shit Trump has done.
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Isn't Gorsuch the guy who said a truck driver should let himself freeze to death, or be fired?
IF you take his last doctor's note on his health stats as correct; putting them into the first more detailed lifespan calculator I found
IF you take his last doctor's note, he will surely reach the age of 135.
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Not a subpoena, unfortunately.
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On June 10 2017 06:49 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2017 06:36 Mohdoo wrote:
People need to ask themselves why they supported Clinton and realize a lot of people are in the same boat with Trump. Choosing the lesser of two evils doesn't mean you even somewhat like the candidate you chose. Clinton would have given me the court I wanted. The difference being that I think everyone in this thread would have dropped Clinton like a hot potato if she did half the shit Trump has done.
Given how demonstrably crooked that Hillary and the Clintons are, I highly doubt that.
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On June 10 2017 06:53 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2017 06:49 Gorsameth wrote:On June 10 2017 06:36 Mohdoo wrote:
People need to ask themselves why they supported Clinton and realize a lot of people are in the same boat with Trump. Choosing the lesser of two evils doesn't mean you even somewhat like the candidate you chose. Clinton would have given me the court I wanted. The difference being that I think everyone in this thread would have dropped Clinton like a hot potato if she did half the shit Trump has done. Given how demonstrably crooked that Hillary and the Clintons are, I highly doubt that.
or your estimation of how demonstrably crooked they are is simply wrong; and does not hold up at all to objective scrutiny.
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On June 10 2017 06:49 Ernaine wrote:Isn't Gorsuch the guy who said a truck driver should let himself freeze to death, or be fired? Show nested quote +IF you take his last doctor's note on his health stats as correct; putting them into the first more detailed lifespan calculator I found IF you take his last doctor's note, he will surely reach the age of 135.
that is the one referred to yes for Gorsuch.
There may well be caveats to how that issue was portrayed that make it less clear-cut than it sounds like when put that way; I no longer remember.
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On June 10 2017 06:53 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2017 06:49 Gorsameth wrote:On June 10 2017 06:36 Mohdoo wrote:
People need to ask themselves why they supported Clinton and realize a lot of people are in the same boat with Trump. Choosing the lesser of two evils doesn't mean you even somewhat like the candidate you chose. Clinton would have given me the court I wanted. The difference being that I think everyone in this thread would have dropped Clinton like a hot potato if she did half the shit Trump has done. Given how demonstrably crooked that Hillary and the Clintons are, I highly doubt that.
Wanna tell us all about Uranium One again? It's a good story. I particularly like the time travel parts.
Clinton isn't squeaky clean but in thirty years of public service she hasn't even come close to the problems we've seen in six months of Trump. Clinton Cash is a hit job and a work of fiction designed to be lapped up by the uncritical Fox News audience who couldn't fact check whether water is wet.
The Clinton Foundation actually did an awful lot of fantastic charity work and has not once been implicated in any of the self dealing slush fund scandals that the Trump Foundation has been repeatedly found guilty of.
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On June 10 2017 06:53 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2017 06:49 Gorsameth wrote:On June 10 2017 06:36 Mohdoo wrote:
People need to ask themselves why they supported Clinton and realize a lot of people are in the same boat with Trump. Choosing the lesser of two evils doesn't mean you even somewhat like the candidate you chose. Clinton would have given me the court I wanted. The difference being that I think everyone in this thread would have dropped Clinton like a hot potato if she did half the shit Trump has done. Given how demonstrably crooked that Hillary and the Clintons are, I highly doubt that.
Given how demonstrably crooked you are, I highly doubt that.
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On June 10 2017 06:54 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2017 06:53 xDaunt wrote:On June 10 2017 06:49 Gorsameth wrote:On June 10 2017 06:36 Mohdoo wrote:
People need to ask themselves why they supported Clinton and realize a lot of people are in the same boat with Trump. Choosing the lesser of two evils doesn't mean you even somewhat like the candidate you chose. Clinton would have given me the court I wanted. The difference being that I think everyone in this thread would have dropped Clinton like a hot potato if she did half the shit Trump has done. Given how demonstrably crooked that Hillary and the Clintons are, I highly doubt that. or your estimation of how demonstrably crooked they are is simply wrong; and does not hold up at all to objective scrutiny.
But credit to the GOP, their years long smear campaign did its job. There are people out there who think Trump is a nightmare but still somehow think "Clinton would have been worse" even though they can't really say why. Just vague shit about corruption. That is how far up Fox News' ass some people are.
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On June 10 2017 06:49 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2017 06:36 Mohdoo wrote:
People need to ask themselves why they supported Clinton and realize a lot of people are in the same boat with Trump. Choosing the lesser of two evils doesn't mean you even somewhat like the candidate you chose. Clinton would have given me the court I wanted. The difference being that I think everyone in this thread would have dropped Clinton like a hot potato if she did half the shit Trump has done.
Meaning they'd vote for Trump? I think Clinton could have publicly executed someone and she'd still have my vote. I don't recognize non-voting as a legitimate or respectable option. I'd sooner shoot myself than not participate in an election.
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On June 10 2017 06:59 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2017 06:49 Gorsameth wrote:On June 10 2017 06:36 Mohdoo wrote:
People need to ask themselves why they supported Clinton and realize a lot of people are in the same boat with Trump. Choosing the lesser of two evils doesn't mean you even somewhat like the candidate you chose. Clinton would have given me the court I wanted. The difference being that I think everyone in this thread would have dropped Clinton like a hot potato if she did half the shit Trump has done. Meaning they'd vote for Trump? I think Clinton could have publicly executed someone and she'd still have my vote. I don't recognize non-voting as a legitimate or respectable option. I'd sooner shoot myself than not participate in an election.
Vote third party, write someone in... You really would have voted for someone who publicly executed someone? That is fucked up man.
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On June 10 2017 06:59 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2017 06:49 Gorsameth wrote:On June 10 2017 06:36 Mohdoo wrote:
People need to ask themselves why they supported Clinton and realize a lot of people are in the same boat with Trump. Choosing the lesser of two evils doesn't mean you even somewhat like the candidate you chose. Clinton would have given me the court I wanted. The difference being that I think everyone in this thread would have dropped Clinton like a hot potato if she did half the shit Trump has done. Meaning they'd vote for Trump? I think Clinton could have publicly executed someone and she'd still have my vote. I don't recognize non-voting as a legitimate or respectable option. I'd sooner shoot myself than not participate in an election.
the situation is a bit more complicated when the alternative is an unfit for office candidate like Trump; than if the opponent were someone reasonable like McCain or Romney.
I'm guessing Gors is referring to the scenario of a reasonable opponent (which usually occurs); rather than this unusual case of an unreasonable opponent.
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On June 10 2017 07:02 a_flayer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2017 06:59 Mohdoo wrote:On June 10 2017 06:49 Gorsameth wrote:On June 10 2017 06:36 Mohdoo wrote:
People need to ask themselves why they supported Clinton and realize a lot of people are in the same boat with Trump. Choosing the lesser of two evils doesn't mean you even somewhat like the candidate you chose. Clinton would have given me the court I wanted. The difference being that I think everyone in this thread would have dropped Clinton like a hot potato if she did half the shit Trump has done. Meaning they'd vote for Trump? I think Clinton could have publicly executed someone and she'd still have my vote. I don't recognize non-voting as a legitimate or respectable option. I'd sooner shoot myself than not participate in an election. Vote third party, write someone in... You really would have voted for someone who publicly executed someone? That is fucked up man.
Voting 3rd party only serves my own ego by choosing to preserve my identity. If people are able to separate their identity from political votes, voting 3rd party is suddenly just a giant waste of time. But I've derailed enough discussions with my militant views of 3rd party voting so I'll try not to do the same.
I take an exceedingly utilitarian perspective on voting and view party primaries as the proper avenue for signaling "ideal interests", such as voting for Bernie etc. Once it is "go time", that shit stops being important.
On June 10 2017 07:04 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2017 06:59 Mohdoo wrote:On June 10 2017 06:49 Gorsameth wrote:On June 10 2017 06:36 Mohdoo wrote:
People need to ask themselves why they supported Clinton and realize a lot of people are in the same boat with Trump. Choosing the lesser of two evils doesn't mean you even somewhat like the candidate you chose. Clinton would have given me the court I wanted. The difference being that I think everyone in this thread would have dropped Clinton like a hot potato if she did half the shit Trump has done. Meaning they'd vote for Trump? I think Clinton could have publicly executed someone and she'd still have my vote. I don't recognize non-voting as a legitimate or respectable option. I'd sooner shoot myself than not participate in an election. the situation is a bit more complicated when the alternative is an unfit for office candidate like Trump; than if the opponent were someone reasonable like McCain or Romney. I'm guessing Gors is referring to the scenario of a reasonable opponent (which usually occurs); rather than this unusual case of an unreasonable opponent.
Right. If Clinton publicly executed someone, I'd vote for Romney/Kasich/Bush in a heartbeat. But I'd take a Hilary the executioner over Cruz/Trump/Ryan and other trash.
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On June 10 2017 07:02 a_flayer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2017 06:59 Mohdoo wrote:On June 10 2017 06:49 Gorsameth wrote:On June 10 2017 06:36 Mohdoo wrote:
People need to ask themselves why they supported Clinton and realize a lot of people are in the same boat with Trump. Choosing the lesser of two evils doesn't mean you even somewhat like the candidate you chose. Clinton would have given me the court I wanted. The difference being that I think everyone in this thread would have dropped Clinton like a hot potato if she did half the shit Trump has done. Meaning they'd vote for Trump? I think Clinton could have publicly executed someone and she'd still have my vote. I don't recognize non-voting as a legitimate or respectable option. I'd sooner shoot myself than not participate in an election. Vote third party, write someone in... You really would have voted for someone who publicly executed someone? That is fucked up man.
Greater good. Trump ran on a platform of taking the healthcare that millions of Americans rely on to literally not die away from them. If Clinton ran on a platform of leaving Obamacare in place and eating puppies and Trump ran on a platform of scrapping Obamacare and rescuing puppies then you still have to vote Clinton. This is life and death for millions of Americans.
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Not engaging in a regulatory culture war against his political detractors' lifestyle is even bigger than Gorush or Paris. I'll take inflammatory tweets over regulatory misconduct any day.
Someone commented upthread to the effect that every week of Trump is a shitshow worse than anything during the Obama or Clinton campaign. But there was a week near the end of Obama's tenure where he pushed through an absurd number of expensive regulations with an insufficient public comment period.
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On June 10 2017 07:11 Buckyman wrote:
Not engaging in a regulatory culture war against his political detractors' lifestyle is even bigger than Gorush or Paris. I'll take inflammatory tweets over regulatory misconduct any day.
Someone commented upthread to the effect that every week of Trump is a shitshow worse than anything during the Obama or Clinton campaign. But there was a week near the end of Obama's tenure where he pushed through an absurd number of expensive regulations with an insufficient public comment period.
A culture war is what you would call this? What culture? Coal culture? Please don't tell me that's a thing.
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