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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 02 2017 21:27 GMT
#140381
On March 03 2017 06:25 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:


the old "i didn't know" defense
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 02 2017 21:28 GMT
#140382
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
March 02 2017 21:38 GMT
#140383
On March 03 2017 06:16 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2017 06:11 Danglars wrote:
On March 03 2017 06:02 Doodsmack wrote:
On March 03 2017 05:50 Danglars wrote:
On March 03 2017 05:39 Doodsmack wrote:
On March 03 2017 04:38 Danglars wrote:
On March 03 2017 04:31 Doodsmack wrote:
On March 03 2017 04:00 Danglars wrote:
On March 03 2017 03:43 Gorsameth wrote:
On March 03 2017 03:41 Danglars wrote:
[quote]
Humorous angle on "Russian intelligence" instead of ambassador. Senators routinely have foreign ambassadors coming through their offices, both as senior members on panels and just as senators. Ask any Senate staffer, the one I happened to read called it a constant flow. And people think Sessions should be an exception given Russian hacking. He probably should've disclosed and definitely shouldn't have volunteered no meetings (Franken) even if the context was campaign staff and the 2016 election. Calling it Russian intelligence is factual misrepresentation of an actual named post and dignitary.

Sacrificed geopolitical interests to offer concessions to Russia? Kwark must be on about Obama. Newsflash: facts differ from interpretations, which is why you probably would disagree with Obama doing he same on Syrian red line or in communication with Medvedev (infamous hot mic).

Except not a single other member of the Armed Service Committee met with a Russian ambassador during 2016 and atleast one has commented that they never called/met (in the capacity of the Armed Service Committee). That all went through the foreign office.

That's a big change from up to 30 Senate Democrats that met with Russian officials in 2015. Sorry, let me update my rhetoric to match the current tone. McCaskill and others announcing their support for the Iran deal mere days after secret meetings with Russian officials. Waiting for the probe of what really went on behind closed doors. But I'm well aware of things that were fine in 2015 turning sinister in 2016. Because you lost an election.

Now, go contact Democratic Senator Ed Markey. Ask what really went on when he was partying with the Russian Ambassador at the French ambassadors residence. Or wait, that was 2016 so clearly they were at the same party and never met. Absolutely absurd, Senators are involved in treaties and ambassadors are representatives of foreign governments.


With the Iran deal, Russia was on our "team", and we were coordinating with them. It was a 6 or 7 nation deal. Sessions meets with the Russian ambassador/spy at the worst possible time. And it's part of a pattern with team Trump. Pretty partisan to brush it off.

You choose to brush off one set of secret meetings, choose to brush off what it means for this being a common occurence for Senators in direct opposition to the person I quoted, and brush off what it means for fun parties. Sorry, you're too hyperpartisan to see straight.


Actually I addressed both the secret meeting and the common occurrence. I guess you don't have a good response though.

Hah! If that's your means of addressing it, I've gotta see how you ignore topics. You brushed it off. Listen, maybe you'll pick and choose what you want to respond to. Just don't pretend everybody else has to be slave to your changing feelings on Russia and how that ought to dictate the movements of Senators. Keep that partisanship under a heavier coat, it'll serve your trolling better.


I'll spell it out easier for you:

- The McCaskill meeting is not equivalent to the Sessions meeting because she was meeting when we were working together with Russia

- The Sessions meeting is otherwise not equivalent to the Democrats' meetings because of 3 things: the timing, Sessions involvement with team Trump, and the pattern of team Trump (one presidential campaign not a whole party) Russia contacts

It is easy enough to see that your points were addressed.

Asking senators to not speak with ambassadors because of whether or not Doodsmack thinks we're sufficiently a team is foolhardy and unserious.

Anyone considered for a Trump post does not surrender his Senatorial duties and common practice. Your distinctions are meaningless and only make sense as partisan opposition to everything Trump. Simply waving the same pathetic "cloud of suspicion" around for the twentieth time expecting an Aha moment is equivalent to birtherism or the hearing frenzy on Benghazi. Your emotional attachment on both points is disheartening; maybe in another couple years you can go back to rationality.

What does anything you're saying here have to do with lying to congress under oath?

They're primarily separate. Spare a moment to read the quote chain you quoted?
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 02 2017 21:38 GMT
#140384
http://www.nola.com/opinions/index.ssf/2017/03/transgender_homicides_new_orle.html
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/02/us/new-orleans-transgender-homicides/index.html

See this is a reason for personal liberties, what's it your problem what these people do with there lives? How is them living their life affecting people so badly to commit murders?
Life?
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18839 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-02 21:44:19
March 02 2017 21:43 GMT
#140385
That's just as much a lesson on the importance of collective enforcement of moral norms as it is personal liberties; the practical dilemma ends up being the similarity between the two on some fronts yet asymmetry on others.

Relatedly, the ACLU is expected to highlight the negative toll social and institutional ostracization inflicts on transgender individuals in their argument on the G.G. case before the Supreme Court this term, particularly given the rescission of DoE protections courtesy of Trump.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 02 2017 21:56 GMT
#140386
Fuck this hyper capitalism bullshit...

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
March 02 2017 22:02 GMT
#140387
Sad days for America. From the greatest state in the world to laughing stock. Why did you choose Trump guys?
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 02 2017 22:03 GMT
#140388
I didn't.
Life?
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
March 02 2017 22:05 GMT
#140389
On March 03 2017 07:02 Shield wrote:
Sad days for America. From the greatest state in the world to laughing stock. Why did you choose Trump guys?

are you looking for an actual answer?
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
March 02 2017 22:06 GMT
#140390
On March 03 2017 07:02 Shield wrote:
Sad days for America. From the greatest state in the world to laughing stock. Why did you choose Trump guys?

We didn't, by 3 million votes.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7921 Posts
March 02 2017 22:07 GMT
#140391
On March 03 2017 05:32 RealityIsKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2017 05:14 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 03 2017 05:03 RealityIsKing wrote:
On March 03 2017 04:24 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 03 2017 04:20 RealityIsKing wrote:
On March 03 2017 04:15 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On thing I do notice from the right is that they're quick to call everyone idiots, stupid, and morons.


Most of the time they are right though.


How are they right? The people I approach about name calling can't even back their own "facts" or sit to debate without getting mad, aggressive, and this is on both sides. But I've definitely have had more issues with right wingers because they choose to believe in their narrative without accepting new facts, where lefts choose to believe their narrative, and accept new facts.


There are plenty of left wingers in this threat still believes that Trump is racist toward people of Mexico heritage even though he specifically said "illegal immigrants" and is simply following the law.

And there are still plenty of left wingers that still believes in wage gap myth too spewed by the leftiest media to propel Hillary Clinton into presidency (which hilariously failed).

Also there are plenty of left wingers who defends BLM. These people should learn a bit from Koreans and look at their way of protesting peacefully and got the result they wanted.

But if you (ShoCkeyy) aren't like those left wingers, then all the power to you.



I understand it's illegal immigrants, but the way Trump started to approach it was in a terrible way, which now has apparently let crazy right racist shoot up who ever they think is an "immigrant"... The "wage gap" happened because we have people in this country that can't even leave their grocery store job to better their life because they assume that's all they can get; they obviously don't know how capitalism works.

And there are still some good "BLM" groups, while others have descended into terrorism, how does that make it any better than the KKK? Which I don't agree with at all.


Well you have to blame the left biased media for aggrandizing Trump's words. They make it sound ominous.

Those people have some issues and a huge chunk of those people are also males so its not a gender issue.

I agree that there are some good BLM people.

But if you are in the protest, and someone in your rank start breaking shit and you DON'T stop them by saying "Hey y'know that's not the best way to bring out our message." or at least start leading the good people in the protest away from the shit disturbers and specifically say "Yeah those people aren't here to spread our message but just to fuck things up."

Well you just became part of the problem.

Thanks to get real

The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
March 02 2017 22:12 GMT
#140392
On March 03 2017 06:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:
http://www.nola.com/opinions/index.ssf/2017/03/transgender_homicides_new_orle.html
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/02/us/new-orleans-transgender-homicides/index.html

See this is a reason for personal liberties, what's it your problem what these people do with there lives? How is them living their life affecting people so badly to commit murders?

Oh just a couple years of conservatives 'news' telling people over and over that trans folk could end up raping their children. Not an iota of evidence but you don't need that when you're "teaching the controversy".
Capitalism is beneficial for people who work harder than other people. Under capitalism the only way to make more money is to work harder then your competitors whether they be other companies or workers. ~ Vegetarian
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-02 22:23:07
March 02 2017 22:16 GMT
#140393
White House EPA budget proposal cuts climate protection program 70 percent to $29 million: source


(from Reuters, either I'm too stupid to figure it out or their source links to nothing)

ah it's probably this one: www.reuters.com

lol
State grants for lead cleanup, for example, would be cut 30 percent to $9.8 million. Grants to help native tribes combat pollution would be cut 30 percent to $45.8 million. An EPA climate protection program on cutting emissions of greenhouse gases like methane that contribute to global warming would be cut 70 percent to $29 million.

The proposal would cut funding for the brownfields industrial site cleanup program by 42 percent to $14.7 million. It would also reduce funding for enforcing pollution laws by 11 percent to $153 million.

[...]

Scott Pruitt, the new head of the EPA, told U.S. mayors on Thursday he would make a priority of cleanups of industrial and hazardous waste sites and improving water infrastructure, even as the White House proposed severe proposed cuts to those programs.


oh nevermind, I'm apparently 25minutes late on this. Nevermind
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 02 2017 22:21 GMT
#140394
On March 03 2017 07:02 Shield wrote:
Sad days for America. From the greatest state in the world to laughing stock. Why did you choose Trump guys?

Because people hated his opponent enough for an "accident" to happen.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
March 02 2017 22:25 GMT
#140395
On March 03 2017 07:21 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2017 07:02 Shield wrote:
Sad days for America. From the greatest state in the world to laughing stock. Why did you choose Trump guys?

Because people hated his opponent enough for an "accident" to happen.


This. I remember hearing some of my friends say they would rather not vote Hillary, and let Trump win as punishment.
Life?
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
March 02 2017 22:29 GMT
#140396
On March 03 2017 07:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2017 07:21 LegalLord wrote:
On March 03 2017 07:02 Shield wrote:
Sad days for America. From the greatest state in the world to laughing stock. Why did you choose Trump guys?

Because people hated his opponent enough for an "accident" to happen.


This. I remember hearing some of my friends say they would rather not vote Hillary, and let Trump win as punishment.


Every friend I know who is like this makes a very comfortable living and really doesn't have anything to lose from a Trump presidency.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
March 02 2017 22:32 GMT
#140397
On March 03 2017 07:29 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2017 07:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 03 2017 07:21 LegalLord wrote:
On March 03 2017 07:02 Shield wrote:
Sad days for America. From the greatest state in the world to laughing stock. Why did you choose Trump guys?

Because people hated his opponent enough for an "accident" to happen.


This. I remember hearing some of my friends say they would rather not vote Hillary, and let Trump win as punishment.


Every friend I know who is like this makes a very comfortable living and really doesn't have anything to lose from a Trump presidency.


Your friends have flawed logic. Hillary Clinton is probably so rich it doesn't bother her too much. However, punishment in this case is more like self-punishment as a nation.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 02 2017 22:34 GMT
#140398
On March 03 2017 07:32 Shield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2017 07:29 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 03 2017 07:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 03 2017 07:21 LegalLord wrote:
On March 03 2017 07:02 Shield wrote:
Sad days for America. From the greatest state in the world to laughing stock. Why did you choose Trump guys?

Because people hated his opponent enough for an "accident" to happen.


This. I remember hearing some of my friends say they would rather not vote Hillary, and let Trump win as punishment.


Every friend I know who is like this makes a very comfortable living and really doesn't have anything to lose from a Trump presidency.


Your friends have flawed logic. Hillary Clinton is probably so rich it doesn't bother her too much. However, punishment in this case is more like self-punishment as a nation.

People hate Hillary so badly that that is acceptable.

Besides Trump, she is the least popular nominee in history.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9138 Posts
March 02 2017 22:38 GMT
#140399
On March 03 2017 07:21 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2017 07:02 Shield wrote:
Sad days for America. From the greatest state in the world to laughing stock. Why did you choose Trump guys?

Because people hated his opponent enough for an "accident" to happen.

And because they actually agree with his world view, how many Trump voters accept the existence of anthropogenic climate change?
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
March 02 2017 22:48 GMT
#140400
On March 03 2017 07:34 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2017 07:32 Shield wrote:
On March 03 2017 07:29 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 03 2017 07:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
On March 03 2017 07:21 LegalLord wrote:
On March 03 2017 07:02 Shield wrote:
Sad days for America. From the greatest state in the world to laughing stock. Why did you choose Trump guys?

Because people hated his opponent enough for an "accident" to happen.


This. I remember hearing some of my friends say they would rather not vote Hillary, and let Trump win as punishment.


Every friend I know who is like this makes a very comfortable living and really doesn't have anything to lose from a Trump presidency.


Your friends have flawed logic. Hillary Clinton is probably so rich it doesn't bother her too much. However, punishment in this case is more like self-punishment as a nation.

People hate Hillary so badly that that is acceptable.

Besides Trump, she is the least popular nominee in history.

She's so widely hated because she's the type of person to ensure that her opponent is the worst person possible for the job due to it giving her a larger chance of winning. The media's promotion of Trump at her campaign's request is probably more damning than anything that happened during the democratic primary.
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