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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On February 18 2017 03:22 Logo wrote: So we finally have the 7 continents we were always told we had? (Well at least 6). It's being advertised as #8. Depends how you count the Americas, Eurasia, and India I guess. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On February 18 2017 03:26 GreenHorizons wrote: Not if you can't show me any evidence having that ally helped change any outcomes. Then at least the blame would go to the right party for their senator's failure to meet their expectations. Particularly when I can point to him cheering on Trump in "finalizing" a rule that will allow coal mining companies to further pollute the water, approving Sessions, and more in the past, as well as more to come I'm sure. Giving both Trump and that legislation a "bipartisan" stamp of approval it wouldn't have if he or the sitting senator was a Republican. Well it doesn't make much difference when the Democrats don't hold power in any of the branches of your government, so that's a rather moot point right now. If they win the Senate by 10 or 20 seats, I'm sure we could go down the list then and find how many of those seats you feel are Democrats in name only. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24143 Posts
On February 18 2017 03:29 Plansix wrote: I was completely wrong last time around, so I am willing to put my support behind ideas that I think are bad. If people think they can get a progressive senator in WV, I’m all about it. I don’t think it will work, but I was so very wrong last time around that I clearly shouldn’t make the final call. So lets give it a shot. But I’m not giving up my ability to say “I had a feeling that wasn’t going to work out,” next time around. And GH earns his snarky responses all on his own. I'd take plenty of told ya so's and snark if it meant people would make that admission and legitimately give this a shot. I'd like if they sold it as hard as they sold Hillary (particularly the ones that made the "I don't think she's that great, but it CAN'T be TRUMP?!?" case), but I'd settle for not trying to rally behind people like Manchin. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24143 Posts
On February 18 2017 03:37 Plansix wrote: I’ll take the devil I know most of the time, to be honest. Especially when on the ropes. But if it can be done, get it done. Given my little knowledge about WV, my understanding of how Manchin wins that seat is basically that the D next to his name give him all of the non-R votes, and he cleaves off enough R's from the ones that actually listen to what he says (basically what the Republicans of the state want). A progressive candidate trades R's that will vote D if he says the right things (supports Trump), for people who don't vote R or D reliably but want real change to some specifics like healthcare, a safe and equitable work place, safe water, etc... I don't expect a senator from WV to be leading the charge on racial inequality, but I do expect them to at least be able to sell the stuff that will actually improve their constituents quality of life in a sustainable way. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
(if he's only winning the primary because of Republicans crossing over, they should probably close the primary...wait...do we want open or closed primaries now? I'm so confused these days) If people think more WV Democrats would like them than Manchin, it's perfectly reasonable for them to try to run of course. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/06/11/here-are-the-members-of-congress-who-vote-against-their-party-the-most/?utm_term=.853940644d24 it seems like while he does vote against the party a fair deal on close issues, he does vote with the party more than half the time still on them. not sure what the exact actual effects amount to. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
"I am for sure gonna run," McCaskill said on "The Mark Reardon Show" on KMOX Newsradio 1120. "And I may have a primary because there is, in our party now, some of the same kind of enthusiasm at the base that the Republican party had with the Tea Party. We are seeing that same--and many of those people are very impatient with me because they don't think I'm pure. For example, they think I should be voting against all of Trump's nominees and of course I'm judging each nominee on its own merit." http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/17/politics/kfile-mccaskill-on-2018/ | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12485 Posts
On February 18 2017 05:22 Nevuk wrote: In mildly related news, McCaskill is apparently worried about being primaried due to the tea party-like enthusiasm of the left. http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/17/politics/kfile-mccaskill-on-2018/ A lot of people confuse integrity with purity. Or perhaps it's not a confusion but a tactic. Either way, it has little to do with which Trump nominees you choose to confirm or not. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On February 18 2017 05:38 LegalLord wrote: Scott Pruit is le confirmed to lead the EPA. Two Democrats voted for him, one Republican against. 52-46. Pretty bizarre that anyone would oppose Puzder but not Pruitt. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Holding up these nominations doesn’t stop Trump or anything. Cabinet positions are going to get filled. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On February 18 2017 02:56 farvacola wrote: I'm not really interested in hand-wavey attempts at using gesticulating towards particular communities to anchor shorthand characterizations of left, more left, and most left. Yes, there are places where literally everyone thinks like GH, but given my unwillingness to get into the mud of figuring out exactly what proportion of the potentially voting public said places represent, you'll have to forgive me for disagreeing with the idea that obstinacy on the part of an ill-determined sub-constituency should control the outcome of a major party decision. GH represents a very unique and not common sub-sect of a larger population, though. As an example, there are a lot of people who didn't wanna vote for Clinton, and chose Bernie, but they also would have voted for Biden in the general election. It is important to realize that while the democratic party may never convince GH, there are still people half way between GH and moderate who also decided to tell Clinton to shove it. Clinton was a very, very hard sale. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On February 18 2017 06:30 Mohdoo wrote: GH represents a very unique and not common sub-sect of a larger population, though. As an example, there are a lot of people who didn't wanna vote for Clinton, and chose Bernie, but they also would have voted for Biden in the general election. It is important to realize that while the democratic party may never convince GH, there are still people half way between GH and moderate who also decided to tell Clinton to shove it. Clinton was a very, very hard sale. GH seems like a garden variety pure blooded American leftist. I know many who speak a lot like he does about issues and that's what I'd describe them as. Insert another "electable" comment here. | ||
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