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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
Then again this current order has pretty much nothing to do with his stated Muslim immigration ban program from the election and it's crystal clear they drafted this in like an afternoon with 0 consideration for externalities besides where Trump has hotels, so Would not be surprised if this was the specific reason the senior State staff resigned | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
On January 29 2017 06:14 mahrgell wrote: I thought the US don't allow double passports. o.O Am I wrong on this? I have double passports with US and Ireland. born in US. Not aware of any restrictions | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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farvacola
United States18826 Posts
Dual Nationality | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On January 29 2017 06:14 mahrgell wrote: I thought the US don't allow double passports. o.O Am I wrong on this? you seem to be wrong looking through the links. the US still discourages it, but it seems to be allowable. https://www.legallanguage.com/legal-articles/dual-citizenship-united-states/ https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/citizenship-and-dual-nationality/dual-nationality.html pesky ninja squads. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
But I guess there are even more interesting cases than German-Iranians. So I follow Toades' question: What happens to an US-Iranian? Can he enter the USA? Can he enter Iran? Or is he banned from both? :D | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
no idea if the EO can block US citizens but it seems like it was not thought out in terms of specifics like that | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On January 29 2017 06:24 mahrgell wrote: Oh okay, thanks... Learned something again. I thought you have to drop your old citizenship to get the US citizenship. But I guess there are even more interesting cases than German-Iranians. So I follow Toades' question: What happens to an US-Iranian? Can he enter the USA? Can he enter Iran? Or is he banned from both? :D Wow, didn't think of that, it must suck for them, I wonder what is gonna happen. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On January 29 2017 05:53 pmh wrote: I would not be this confident lol. Tbh I think atm the usa is unable to win any war against china. The war will take place on chinas territoty,taiwan or the south Chinese sea for example. What exactly can the usa do against that? Absolutely nothing to be fair,the current situation in the south Chinese sea already proves that. They can send all carriers they have but they will still be outnumbered in the air by the Chinese fighting close to the home land,as well as being in range of all their missles. Even in the 50,s of the previous century the usa didn't want to risk a war with china during the Korean war. usa moved up,china said stop and that is where the line still is today. I even doubt the quality of the hardware is better for the usa. It was a long time ago but we did export so much technology to china to make the items cheap,i honestly doubt there is much of an advantage left when it comes to the airforce. Let's not get carried away. While the US doesn't have anywhere near the kind of superiority it fancies itself to have and got owned in Iraq and Afghanistan, it would be the clear winner in a sea-based conflict in the South China Sea or in Taiwan. China has some pretty advanced missiles but that's about it. They are improving but they aren't anywhere near far enough along to fight the US at sea. Their only operational carrier right now is an old Soviet import. China's navy isn't great. They could defend the mainland easily enough but the US could kick them out of their maritime interests if it were willing to fight a war out there in the South China Sea. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On January 29 2017 06:52 LegalLord wrote: Let's not get carried away. While the US doesn't have anywhere near the kind of superiority it fancies itself to have and got owned in Iraq and Afghanistan, it would be the clear winner in a sea-based conflict in the South China Sea or in Taiwan. China has some pretty advanced missiles but that's about it. They are improving but they aren't anywhere near far enough along to fight the US at sea. Their only operational carrier right now is an old Soviet import. China's navy isn't great. They could defend the mainland easily enough but the US could kick them out of their maritime interests if it were willing to fight a war out there in the South China Sea. Except occupying the water and China waiting for us to give up and leave as we've done in past conflicts isn't really winning. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On January 29 2017 06:52 LegalLord wrote: Let's not get carried away. While the US doesn't have anywhere near the kind of superiority it fancies itself to have and got owned in Iraq and Afghanistan, it would be the clear winner in a sea-based conflict in the South China Sea or in Taiwan. China has some pretty advanced missiles but that's about it. They are improving but they aren't anywhere near far enough along to fight the US at sea. Their only operational carrier right now is an old Soviet import. China's navy isn't great. They could defend the mainland easily enough but the US could kick them out of their maritime interests if it were willing to fight a war out there in the South China Sea. Just try it out. What could go wrong? MOAR CARRIERS solves every diplomatic conflict! US foreign politics finally made easy again. And the others will surely do exactly as the US wishes. Like in all those military adventures the US sought after in the last 70 years. I find it rather irritating how people here can argue it is a smart and reasonable move to threaten China with a full blown military conflict, because MOAR CARRIERS, EZ WIN, THEY WILL ROLL OVER! Please enter the military and go first! If the idiots on both sides do that, I would suggest we negotiate a peace once we are rid of those. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15686 Posts
On January 29 2017 06:55 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Except occupying the water and China waiting for us to give up and leave as we've done in past conflicts isn't really winning. If the Chinese only have control when the US isn't there, they don't have control. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On January 29 2017 07:00 Mohdoo wrote: If the Chinese only have control when the US isn't there, they don't have control. Ahhhh, after your successes in occupying Afghanistan and Iraq, you now want to park your shiny carriers in the South Chinese seas and occupy some reefs! Do you get withdrawal symptoms when you don't occupy something for a while? This will totally work. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
Let that sink in. People with Canadian citzenship are being turned away from the US because they or their parents were Iranian and they have Iranian citizenship. Even legal American residents are getting screwed. this is just one example This is fucked up. I don't care what your political viewpoints are, you don't do something like this so rashly and so quickly. Its absolutely fucking disgusting, and its xenophobia I never thought I would see in my lifetime from a country like the US. I actually thought so much more of you guys than I do right now. This is horrible. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15686 Posts
On January 29 2017 07:07 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Wow imagine not being allowed to go back to your own house all of a sudden when on holiday. Insane. Yeah my friend and his dad are both Iranian and went recently. Would have just straight up not come back. What a crazy fucking thought. Same deal with a co-worker actually. What a bizarre, fucked up situation. I can't believe this is actually happening. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On January 29 2017 06:55 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Except occupying the water and China waiting for us to give up and leave as we've done in past conflicts isn't really winning. Yes, that's the major problem here. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 29 2017 07:15 Mohdoo wrote: Yeah my friend and his dad are both Iranian and went recently. Would have just straight up not come back. What a crazy fucking thought. Same deal with a co-worker actually. What a bizarre, fucked up situation. I can't believe this is actually happening. As someone who knows quite a few people that this could affect, the fact that people can find this situation okay is deeply upsetting to me. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On January 29 2017 07:05 ZeromuS wrote: Dual Canadian/Iranian citizens have been sent back to Canada at the border. Let that sink in. People with Canadian citzenship are being turned away from the US because they or their parents were Iranian and they have Iranian citizenship. Even legal American residents are getting screwed. https://twitter.com/Lorg_/status/825446855639179266 this is just one example This is fucked up. I don't care what your political viewpoints are, you don't do something like this so rashly and so quickly. Its absolutely fucking disgusting, and its xenophobia I never thought I would see in my lifetime from a country like the US. I actually thought so much more of you guys than I do right now. This is horrible. holy shit, this is so unreal, I can't believe this is reality | ||
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