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On January 29 2017 04:47 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2017 03:44 ticklishmusic wrote:On January 29 2017 03:31 Slaughter wrote:On January 29 2017 03:05 LegalLord wrote:On January 29 2017 02:34 Mohdoo wrote:On January 29 2017 02:18 Doodsmack wrote:
It's a giant failure of execution, considering also that Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are not included. Since when would Trump not stand up to an ally sponsoring terrorism? Very anti-populist. On the bright side, this is likely an indication as to how this whole thing is going to go on a grand scale. We are already seeing a lot of groups coming together on the left in a similar way that the right united against Obama. Obama was a huge boost to right wing unification and it looks like Trump is doing the same thing to the left. Such a unity is illusory at best. The center-left "Hillary wing" and the left "Bernie wing" are no less at odds with each other than they were before Trump was such a pervasive factor. If they really were ready to unite against Trump then there wouldn't be such a mass defection in the face of the possibility of a Trump presidency, back during election time. It doesn't have to be fully united. The GOP and the Tea Party managed to do it while hating each other. They just need to motivate people enough to do the very simple thing of oppose Trump. Republicans did it against Obama, even when they disliked each other but they both could get around cock blocking Obama. Just need greater numbers of people participating (IE voting and doing more then just bitching on the internet). and obama had a pretty solid approval rating overall. meanwhile, trump is starting off about 40%, which was about obama's floor (according to gallup). It is not without a sense of irony that I notice that Trump, the least popular candidate in history, was elected to more or less undo the legacy of Obama, one of the more popular, if ultimately non-transformative, ones, as opposed to the person who was basically Obama's chosen successor. The way I reconcile this is just simply to presume that Obama had something of a distortionary effect, where the fact that he was pushing policies that really weren't so great was kind of forgotten in the face of his own personal charm. His chosen successor had zero charm so all the ugly came out.
I think the simpler reconciliation is that the republicans have been pushing for undoing what obama did, and no matter which republican was the candidate they'd be aiming to undo a lot of obama stuff.
that plus the simple fact that the presidency tends to go back and forth between the parties, and that there was a good chance that a republican would win therefore.
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On January 29 2017 05:05 Doodsmack wrote:
Bloomberg reporting suggests the countries excluded from the Muslim ban are ones in which the Trump Organization does business or has pursued deals.
I don't think this would surprise anyone, sadly.
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On January 29 2017 04:25 NukeD wrote:That would be a suicide move for China. Their army may have the numbers, but its nowhere close to US in all other regards.
The US could push China off the sea at the cost of a few carriers or so. The adage "never fight a land war in Asia" applies here but the US navy is solidly ahead of what China might be able to field to counter it on the seas.
The problem is "pushing China off the sea" is an absurdly unsustainable status quo. The moment the US blinks China could come right back.
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On January 29 2017 05:07 mahrgell wrote:
Haha,
the ban not only targets Green cards and already accredited visas, but it even hits double passports...
The vice president of the German-American parliamentary group and board member of several other transatlantic politic partnerships and member of the German Bundestag (parliament) is also banned from travelling to the US, as he has both Iranian and German citizenship.
He actually even has a diplomatic passport, but no, no entrance allowed.
lol didn't think of that...
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On January 29 2017 05:05 Doodsmack wrote:
Bloomberg reporting suggests the countries excluded from the Muslim ban are ones in which the Trump Organization does business or has pursued deals.
Whether it is a coincidence or not this is exactly the sort of perceived conflict of interest that has lots of people worried. Regardless on your views on Trump I feel that any reasonable person can look at this and at least believe that it's possible that Trump is in fact deciding to not put bans on some countries out of fear of retribution to his business in said countries.
@ xDaunt; fair enough. Trump will likely continue to do what he's doing and the Press is going to continue to do what they're doing and calling out his bullshit, so we will see what the outcome is.
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I wonder how Trump will react when Americans start getting detained at airports in Iran etc.
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On January 29 2017 05:10 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2017 05:06 TheYango wrote:On January 29 2017 05:05 LegalLord wrote:
Maybe we do need someone to break things - because people are far more inclined to replace something that is broken than something that is barely functional. Sure, but when you break something with the precision of a surgeon's scalpel rather than a butcher's cleaver, it's much easier to put the pieces back together when you're done. Something being destructive or revolutionary does not preclude planning and forethought. The problem is that we don't have a surgeon in this scenario.
or that we do, but whoever they are is either bad at getting elected, or simply doesn't want the job. doing surgery is HARD work.
one of the problems with having such a scummy government is that a lot of decent people become less interested in the job, because they'd have to work with a bunch of scum. I've heard such from several state level politicians who go up to the federal Congress level.
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It's scary how much damage Trump and friends have done in one week already. Straight up lying press conferences, calling professional media outlets the enemy, 'alternative facts', pissing off Mexico, completely making up a huge case of voter fraud, silencing scientists from publicizing research until they have approval from the administration (wtf......), the immigration ban and now calling New York Times and Washington Post fake news.
Also how he keeps convincing himself that he had the largest inauguration ever even though there is plenty to disprove it. Like I was scared of Trump before because I thought he was not very smart but now I wonder if he's even of sound mind. He's living in a delusion of grandeur. There's also no hope left that he would change his attitude and act 'presidential'. Anyone who disagrees with him or can literally PROVE he's wrong is false, fake, unfair, dishonest and the enemy. That's no way to lead a country into anything good.
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On January 29 2017 05:36 Jockmcplop wrote:
I wonder how Trump will react when Americans start getting detained at airports in Iran etc.
Travel bans/warnings, most likely.
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On January 29 2017 05:36 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
It's scary how much damage Trump and friends have done in one week already. Straight up lying press conferences, calling professional media outlets the enemy, 'alternative facts', pissing off Mexico, completely making up a huge case of voter fraud, silencing scientists from publicizing research until they have approval from the administration (wtf......), the immigration ban and now calling New York Times and Washington Post fake news.
Also how he keeps convincing himself that he had the largest inauguration ever even though there is plenty to disprove it. Like I was scared of Trump before because I thought he was not very smart but now I wonder if he's even of sound mind. He's living in a delusion of grandeur. There's also no hope left that he would change his attitude and act 'presidential'. Anyone who disagrees with him or can literally PROVE he's wrong is false, fake, unfair, dishonest and the enemy. That's no way to lead a country into anything good.
in terms of sound mind, the general suspicion is that clinically speaking he has narcissistic personality disorder. ofc you can't diagnose remotely.
ofc people can still function pretty well on the whole with mental health disorders.
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On January 29 2017 05:38 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2017 05:36 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
It's scary how much damage Trump and friends have done in one week already. Straight up lying press conferences, calling professional media outlets the enemy, 'alternative facts', pissing off Mexico, completely making up a huge case of voter fraud, silencing scientists from publicizing research until they have approval from the administration (wtf......), the immigration ban and now calling New York Times and Washington Post fake news.
Also how he keeps convincing himself that he had the largest inauguration ever even though there is plenty to disprove it. Like I was scared of Trump before because I thought he was not very smart but now I wonder if he's even of sound mind. He's living in a delusion of grandeur. There's also no hope left that he would change his attitude and act 'presidential'. Anyone who disagrees with him or can literally PROVE he's wrong is false, fake, unfair, dishonest and the enemy. That's no way to lead a country into anything good. in terms of sound mind, the general suspicion is that clinically speaking he has narcissistic personality disorder. ofc you can't diagnose remotely. ofc people can still function pretty well on the whole with mental health disorders.
True, so if he actually were qualified for president, he'd probably be able to remain competent.
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On January 29 2017 05:15 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2017 04:25 NukeD wrote:On January 29 2017 04:12 radscorpion9 wrote:Cool (well at least for me) new article from the independent on China-US relations. I was hoping China wouldn't take the rhetoric of Trump too seriously, but it looks like it is. Wow...pretty dangerous stuff. China: War with US becoming practical reality That would be a suicide move for China. Their army may have the numbers, but its nowhere close to US in all other regards. The US could push China off the sea at the cost of a few carriers or so. The adage "never fight a land war in Asia" applies here but the US navy is solidly ahead of what China might be able to field to counter it on the seas. The problem is "pushing China off the sea" is an absurdly unsustainable status quo. The moment the US blinks China could come right back.
I would not be this confident lol. Tbh I think atm the usa is unable to win any war against china. The war will take place on chinas territoty,taiwan or the south Chinese sea for example. What exactly can the usa do against that? Absolutely nothing to be fair,the current situation in the south Chinese sea already proves that.
They can send all carriers they have but they will still be outnumbered in the air by the Chinese fighting close to the home land,as well as being in range of all their missles.
Even in the 50,s of the previous century the usa didn't want to risk a war with china during the Korean war. usa moved up,china said stop and that is where the line still is today.
I even doubt the quality of the hardware is better for the usa. It was a long time ago but we did export so much technology to china to make the items cheap,i honestly doubt there is much of an advantage left when it comes to the airforce.
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On January 29 2017 05:36 Jockmcplop wrote:
I wonder how Trump will react when Americans start getting detained at airports in Iran etc.
Since today all US passport holders are banned from entering Iran.
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what happens if you have a double passport as a US citizen? Do you also get denied at the airport for getting back into the US?
I doubt it happened already... but with 320 million people there might be some who want to go on a vacation?
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On January 29 2017 06:03 Toadesstern wrote:
what happens if you have a double passport as a US citizen? Do you also get denied at the airport for getting back into the US?
I doubt it happened already... but with 320 million people there might be some who want to go on a vacation?
Is that not this situation?
On January 29 2017 05:07 mahrgell wrote:
Haha,
the ban not only targets Green cards and already accredited visas, but it even hits double passports...
The vice president of the German-American parliamentary group and board member of several other transatlantic politic partnerships and member of the German Bundestag (parliament) is also banned from travelling to the US, as he has both Iranian and German citizenship.
He actually even has a diplomatic passport, but no, no entrance allowed.
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On January 29 2017 06:03 Toadesstern wrote:
what happens if you have a double passport as a US citizen? Do you also get denied at the airport for getting back into the US?
I doubt it happened already... but with 320 million people there might be some who want to go on a vacation?
The Iran said they will copy it 1for1. Since the US bans double passports...
Also do double passports even exist with the US?
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The administration is on a crash course,it will collide left or right within 1 month I guess.
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On January 29 2017 06:08 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2017 06:03 Toadesstern wrote:
what happens if you have a double passport as a US citizen? Do you also get denied at the airport for getting back into the US?
I doubt it happened already... but with 320 million people there might be some who want to go on a vacation? Is that not this situation? Show nested quote +On January 29 2017 05:07 mahrgell wrote:
Haha,
the ban not only targets Green cards and already accredited visas, but it even hits double passports...
The vice president of the German-American parliamentary group and board member of several other transatlantic politic partnerships and member of the German Bundestag (parliament) is also banned from travelling to the US, as he has both Iranian and German citizenship.
He actually even has a diplomatic passport, but no, no entrance allowed.
I think he talks about US citizenship + X citizenship.
But not sure for immigrating into the US or into Iran.
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On January 29 2017 06:08 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2017 06:03 Toadesstern wrote:
what happens if you have a double passport as a US citizen? Do you also get denied at the airport for getting back into the US?
I doubt it happened already... but with 320 million people there might be some who want to go on a vacation? Is that not this situation? Show nested quote +On January 29 2017 05:07 mahrgell wrote:
Haha,
the ban not only targets Green cards and already accredited visas, but it even hits double passports...
The vice president of the German-American parliamentary group and board member of several other transatlantic politic partnerships and member of the German Bundestag (parliament) is also banned from travelling to the US, as he has both Iranian and German citizenship.
He actually even has a diplomatic passport, but no, no entrance allowed.
yeah it is. But I'm wondering if being an US citizen would make a difference
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