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GreenHorizons
United States24443 Posts
Other than that, I don't see anything useful coming from conversations about that tool. | ||
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oBlade
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
I guess laws against hateful speech arn't as prevalent as I thought. How do you sanction something like that? How....? I don't even anymore. There are no consequences for such resentful behaviour? flabbergasted | ||
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LegalLord
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22675 Posts
On January 24 2017 09:25 LegalLord wrote: So Trump's cabinet confirmation is moving at a glacial pace. Tillerson won over his three Republican skeptics and passed committee 11-10. Two nominees confirmed, everyone else is being very slowly pushed - but Republicans have a majority in the Senate so tough shit for Democrats. I expect some hardcore party line confirmations. Is it normal for these to be going on when Trump has already been sworn in? I would have assumed you would want it all done and sorted before the old guard moves out Oo | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On January 24 2017 09:28 Gorsameth wrote: Is it normal for these to be going on when Trump has already been sworn in? I would have assumed you would want it all done and sorted before the old guard moves out Oo Nope, this is very slow by the standards of confirmation hearings. Though some may take up to two months if weird shit happens. Compare Obama: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmations_of_Barack_Obama's_Cabinet Edit: could take a long, long time actually... | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On January 24 2017 09:28 Gorsameth wrote: Is it normal for these to be going on when Trump has already been sworn in? I would have assumed you would want it all done and sorted before the old guard moves out Oo We haven't really replaced presidents all that often. As our 45th president, this would be the most we've ever practiced a transition up until the next transition. There are bronze players who practice their builds more than transition teams. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24443 Posts
On January 24 2017 09:28 Gorsameth wrote: Is it normal for these to be going on when Trump has already been sworn in? I would have assumed you would want it all done and sorted before the old guard moves out Oo His administration (below the cabinet level) will be mostly Obama leftovers for at least a year. Won't be surprised to see a lot of them resign and leave vacancies. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33723 Posts
On January 24 2017 09:10 Liquid`Drone wrote: And I can also agree with GH. Richard Spencer being sucker punched is significantly less of a big deal than every single individual case of domestic abuse in the US today. I'm really not sure I agree with that. Morally, yes, definitely. In terms of potential impact? Does not seem likely. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On January 24 2017 09:37 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I'm really not sure I agree with that. Morally, yes, definitely. In terms of potential impact? Does not seem likely. If you could only put on trial two things, and you're given a choice between police shootings, rape, child abuse, and a nazi getting punched while talking shit in an anti-trump protest; which one do you think would you most likely ignore? | ||
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LegalLord
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28916 Posts
On January 24 2017 09:37 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I'm really not sure I agree with that. Morally, yes, definitely. In terms of potential impact? Does not seem likely. Yeah okay, I can agree that this is to some degree politically relevant. It's a guy who is clearly punched because of his political views. The thing is though, he's not actually politically relevant. He represents the absolute fringe of political views. (Trump being elected makes Spencer relevant in the same way electing Sanders would've made communists arguing the abolishment of property rights relevant imo) The only reason people are talking about this is that he's a guy who is incredibly easy to hate because he's so detestable and he's getting punched and there's a video of it and people think it's kinda funny in a 'karma, bitch' kind of way. | ||
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oBlade
United States6639 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On January 24 2017 09:56 oBlade wrote: Isn't it also the Senate being slow, not the transition? We know the top nominees, just waiting on the hearings and votes. Once the top nominees are hired they also need time to build their teams. This would slow things down as well--but not as much as what's happening right now. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
read an article in Time about advice for transitions and the white house from the old crew, which also made me think about how much there is to learn, since a lot of people are just coming into the white house and haven't been working at that level before. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On January 24 2017 10:10 zlefin wrote: imho there's not enough time for transitions. while I understand not liking the lame duck period, it doesn't feel like there's enough time to get the new people up to speed on everything to hit the ground running as it were. read an article in Time about advice for transitions and the white house from the old crew, which also made me think about how much there is to learn, since a lot of people are just coming into the white house and haven't been working at that level before. *Theoretically* all the picks would already have been told that there was interest in them during the primaries. They would then be given more *oomphf* during the general, specifically during the debates. By the time November comes along the picks should all already have an idea in mind of what their team would look like as well as how to staff it--part of their spiel to the President Elect as to why to select them. This isn't what actually happens--but there's technically enough time assuming the actual process was people making bids to the president on why they are qualified instead of the president making picks based on political capital. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On January 24 2017 09:25 LegalLord wrote: So Trump's cabinet confirmation is moving at a glacial pace. Tillerson won over his three Republican skeptics and passed committee 11-10. Two nominees confirmed, everyone else is being very slowly pushed - but Republicans have a majority in the Senate so tough shit for Democrats. I expect some hardcore party line confirmations. Trump's also executed his global federal hiring and raise freeze (except for the military). So some of those positions (it's unclear how many since the executive order's allows some wiggling) are going to be empty or at least unpaid until he unfreezes. From a quick look at the order it seems like he's dropped the "public health" aspects that he promised to exclude, though, unless he just forgot to mention them when signing. And we know for sure he's fucked over veterans, who get 50% of federal civilian new hires. http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/trump-issues-executive-order-freezing-hiring-for-federal-workforce-234037 On January 24 2017 10:10 zlefin wrote: imho there's not enough time for transitions. while I understand not liking the lame duck period, it doesn't feel like there's enough time to get the new people up to speed on everything to hit the ground running as it were. read an article in Time about advice for transitions and the white house from the old crew, which also made me think about how much there is to learn, since a lot of people are just coming into the white house and haven't been working at that level before. I think there's ample time if the transition doesn't start being planned in November. And it shouldn't be if the person who won the election was competent and forward-thinking (for example, knows what a blind trust is or what the DoE does). | ||
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zlefin
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before you know who wins there's two sets of people, at least, to consider. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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The new U.S. administration of President Donald Trump vowed on Monday that the United States would prevent China from taking over territory in international waters in the South China Sea, something Chinese state media has warned would require Washington to "wage war." Get ready boys - the draft is coming. | ||
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mustaju
Estonia4505 Posts
On January 24 2017 12:09 ShoCkeyy wrote: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-southchinasea-idUSKBN1572M4 Get ready boys - the draft is coming. China has nukes. Noone knows exactly how many. A draft is the least of my worries. Edit: Since Fukuyama came up earlier, I thought it might be pertinent to link his latest article, detailing Trumps difficulties controlling the office of the president as well as the state of U.S. checks and balances. The whole thing is an interesting read, even if I find parts of it too confrontational from a political scientists perspective. Daron Acemoglu, an economist who studies failing states, has argued that American checks and balances are not as strong as Americans typically believe: Congress is controlled by Trump’s party and will do his bidding; the judiciary can be shifted by new appointments to the Supreme Court and the federal judiciary; and the executive branch bureaucracy’s 4,000 political appointees will bend their agencies to the president’s will. The elites who opposed him are coming around to accepting him as normal president. He could also have argued that the mainstream media, which thinks of itself as a fourth branch holding the president accountable, is under relentless attack from Trump and his followers as politicized purveyors of “fake news.” Acemoglu argues that the main source of resistance now is civil society, that is, mobilization of millions of ordinary citizens to protest Trump’s policies and excesses, like the marches that took place in Washington and cities around the country the day after the inauguration. -------------------------------------------------------- Many institutional checks on power will continue to operate in a Trump presidency. While Republicans are celebrating their control of both houses of Congress and the presidency, there are huge ideological divisions within their coalition. Trump is a populist nationalist who seems to believe in strong government, not a small-government conservative, and this fracture will emerge as the new administration deals with issues from ending Obamacare to funding infrastructure projects. Trump can indeed change the judiciary, or more troubling, simply ignore court decisions and try to delegitimize those judges standing in his way. But shifting the balance in the courts is a very slow process whose effects will not be fully felt for a number of years. More overt attacks on the judiciary will produce great blowback, as happened when he attacked Federal District Judge Gonzalo Curiel during the campaign. Trump will have enormous difficulties controlling the executive branch, as anyone who has worked in it would understand. Many of Trump’s Cabinet appointees, like James Mattis, Rex Tillerson and Nikki Haley, have already expressed views clearly at odds with his. Even if they are loyal, it takes a huge amount of skill and experience to master America’s enormous bureaucracy. It is true that the U.S. has a far higher number of political appointees than other democracies. But Trump does not come into office with a huge cadre of loyal supporters that he can insert into the bureaucracy. He has never run anything bigger than a large family business, and does not have 4,000 children or in-laws available to staff the U.S. government. Many of the new assistant and deputy secretaries will be Republican careerists with no particular personal ties to El Jefe. Source | ||
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