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LegalLord
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Nevuk
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On January 23 2017 05:15 Nevuk wrote: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/823212055322853382 LOL @ them saying this after his inauguration with (presumably) a straight face. | ||
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LegalLord
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Nyxisto
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On January 23 2017 05:23 Nyxisto wrote: wasn't Assange supposed to deliver himself to the US now that Manning is going to be free? Don't tell me he's ignoring his promise! Assange said he would if Manning was pardoned. Manning had his sentence commuted, which is essentially the difference between saying "you were wrong to be imprisoned" and "your sentence was too strict" or something along those lines - the legal folk around here could probably explain it better but they basically all agree that it isn't the same thing. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On January 23 2017 05:34 Nyxisto wrote: we had this a few pages before, I still think Assange wouldn't come over though even if you made Manning secretary of state. I think it's a little unhealthy that there's only one wikileaks anyway. There should be more organisations. don't the newspapers count as organizations you can leak to? or do they not have enough reach? you want them to more internet based, and support large information dumps? | ||
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oBlade
United States6643 Posts
You can leak to any newspaper. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
OpenLeaks existed for a while but I don't think they're active any more. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On January 23 2017 05:27 LegalLord wrote: Assange said he would if Manning was pardoned. Manning had his sentence commuted, which is essentially the difference between saying "you were wrong to be imprisoned" and "your sentence was too strict" or something along those lines - the legal folk around here could probably explain it better but they basically all agree that it isn't the same thing. For what it's worth, the wikileaks twitter mentioned "clemency" not pardoning. Little more in depth here. http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/julian-assange-wikileaks-chelsea-manning-clemency-obama-1.3941278 | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On January 23 2017 05:39 Nyxisto wrote: I think the whole 'xy is biased' thing nowadays really hurts newspapers and with this whole attitude against establishment news maybe some more independent organisations wouldn't be bad. I mean wikileaks itself is basically discredited at this point. OpenLeaks existed for a while but I don't think they're active any more. Why exactly is Wikileaks discredited ? | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/daniel-domscheit-bergs-inside-wikileaks/2011/03/25/AFdc37jD_story.html This goes farther back than this election too, Assange basically really took control of the whole thing around 2011. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18008 Posts
Its pretty much confirmed Jean Chretien and his Liberals either turned a blind eye towards or were an active part of "Ad Scam" screwing the Canadian tax payers out of hundreds of millions of dollars. Chretien kept the economy going so great i could give a fuck. I hope Chretien got paid what he was really worth by sticking $300 million in his pockets. If he did .. good for him. if Trump gets the economy rocking as well as Chretien had the Canadian economy going when he was PM then Trump can skim a billion a year off the top i'll still be happy with the job the guy does. Just get the economy rolling. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
Of course the most likely reason he hasn't released his taxes is just because they'll bruise his ego a bit for some reason and he won't be able to call it fake news. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 23 2017 06:30 TheTenthDoc wrote: Problem isn't really Trump cheating on his taxes, problem is more potential foreign assets that he hasn't disclosed/clear evidence of the extent to which he chronically lies about his wealth/potential criminal acts related to abusing his charity. Of course the most likely reason he hasn't released his taxes is just because they'll bruise his ego a bit for some reason and he won't be able to call it fake news. we all already know that if, and that's a big if, they do get released via wikileaks Trump is going to call them fake. Don't we? | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12609 Posts
On January 23 2017 02:38 Liquid`Drone wrote: alternative facts hahahahaha Right before she says it in the interview you can see an hesitation. I think even she wasn't too proud of not having anything better to say. | ||
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warding
Portugal2397 Posts
- I don't really see Trump weakening mainstream media. What I do see is Trump generating nonstop ratings for cable news channels. Trump might have single handedly turned Megyn Kelly into a superstar. - Trump didn't lose the popular vote by a wider percentage because he basically went quiet in the final stretch of the campaign while Clinton was overshadowed by the Comey letter. The periods in the campaign where Trump was the most outrageous were those where he dipped in the polls. His message obviously resonates with a large number of Americans but he does lose support when at his wildest, so let's not fool ourselves into believing that he's actually masterfully playing the media and everyone else - a more likely scenario is that he doesn't fully know what he's doing; - Many claim we've never seen anything like Trump. Thankfully, the Portuguese have, in the form of the current president of a soccer club called Sporting. Same attitude towards adversaries and the media, using referees as scapegoats to unite his support, using social media much in the same way Trump does, the same pettiness and sensitivity, and making enemies left and right. For a while it actually looked like he knew what he was doing. This season him and his team are unraveling. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On January 23 2017 06:15 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i don't care if Trump cheats on his taxes. Its pretty much confirmed Jean Chretien and his Liberals either turned a blind eye towards or were an active part of "Ad Scam" screwing the Canadian tax payers out of hundreds of millions of dollars. Chretien kept the economy going so great i could give a fuck. I hope Chretien got paid what he was really worth by sticking $300 million in his pockets. If he did .. good for him. if Trump gets the economy rocking as well as Chretien had the Canadian economy going when he was PM then Trump can skim a billion a year off the top i'll still be happy with the job the guy does. Just get the economy rolling. The issue with corruption is not just that the money the politician takes, it's that it incentivizes them to make rules that fill their pocket instead of benefiting us, and it calls into question the fairness of whatever rules they do set. Like, if David Kim was taking bribes from protosses, it wouldn't just be a problem because David Kim was getting rich, it's that the next patch Khaydarin Amulet would be back and liberators would lose their ground attack. And even if DK didn't try to favor Protoss with his decisions going forward, everybody would think he was subtly trying to favor Protoss, and the game wouldn't seem fair. | ||
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
On January 23 2017 05:39 Nyxisto wrote: I think the whole 'xy is biased' thing nowadays really hurts newspapers and with this whole attitude against establishment news maybe some more independent organisations wouldn't be bad. I mean wikileaks itself is basically discredited at this point. OpenLeaks existed for a while but I don't think they're active any more. It kind of feels wrong in spite of all the general buzz but I still don't feel like this establishment bias is something to be concerned about? Like in and of itself, not in terms of the rising trend of populism. In every outlet you're going to have non-neutral parties reporting. And a broad distrust of any media establishment is a statement that all media corporations are wholly controlled by corporate interests. I don't think non-neutral reporting is a problem and I've never heard of any gross impropriety in media organizations in terms of bias as many organizations seem to specifically address that in their mission statements. I suppose it depends on your opinion about the second point. I would lump a lot of shitty media outlets in a doesn't register on my radar lump (CNN, Fox, etc.) but if that outlet represented a sizable portion of your media consumption, sure it would look bad. I could see concern if you feel that the largest audiences are reached by more liberal viewpoints from liberal-leaning outlets. But specifically how would you determine what is considered liberal-leaning as in my opinion most big outlets still report on both sides of the spectrum. I say liberal-leaning because I feel this anti-establishmentism surge is from more far left or mostly right leaning actors? I feel like I also liked the movie Contagion too much, which in short had an "alternative" news reporter put out realistic sounding conspiracy theories about how the government is suppressing information about an outbreak, which kind of sours my taste about all the populist movements. Something that Canadian ex-PM Harper mentioned in the video I linked previously is that not only does the government need to do good things, but they also need to effectively communicate how these good things help the people, which I get is one of many sources of angst in the US from people who feel left behind and are left behind. But then you could also go into how it's effective for politicians to smear the other side to recover power, who's actually left behind or not, who's responsible etc. | ||
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