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Read the rules in the OP before posting, please. In order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a re-read to refresh your memory! The vast majority of you are contributing in a healthy way, keep it up! NOTE: When providing a source, explain why you feel it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion if it's not obvious. Also take note that unsubstantiated tweets/posts meant only to rekindle old arguments can result in a mod action. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On January 22 2017 08:05 Doodsmack wrote: Could be the largest crowd size of protests on a single day in US history. Now these people better vote in 2018 and 2020 lol. are you counting nationwide, or only in a particular place? and what kind of numbers are you seeing? how do they compare to some of the major civil rights marches? | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On January 22 2017 08:10 xDaunt wrote: Trump is entirely correct to treat the press as the enemy. The press has no interest in doing Trump any favors in its coverage of him. They declared their biases long ago. Trump is merely reciprocating. This is only big deal because Trump is the first GOP politician to actually fight back. that you are against the concept of truth, which is what trump is doing, is a blight upon you. while the media has some bias, and their coverage of trump has been harsh, they often cover people harshly; and accepting it is a part of democracy. what trump is doing is aiming for lies. which is terrible for the system. the press would treat him better if he acted better, the press has, on average, not done more to him than he deserves (factoring in that the press often is mean to anybody). and ofc I cite the shorenstein report, which did a far better job of analyzing the situation than you have. | ||
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Euphorbus
92 Posts
zlefin is right. That some random person on the internets is saying this, is nothing special. That Trump is denying a simple fact that was recorded by thousands of camera's and which tens of thousands of journalists were eye witnesses to and millions of people saw live on tv, that is amazing. Especially considering he has nothing to gain or lose from it, except his ego. It just hits down the point that Trump is extremely insecure, cares only about his ego, and that he thinks his words can bend the truth to his will. And the people around him, they are going to get sick and tired pretty quickly about embarrassing themselves with pointless obvious lies pretty soon. And he is US president. This is going to be nasty. His clowning will not last. Either he changes soon, or it will be a travesty. Before you know it, people will burst out laughing the moment he starts speaking, regardless of their political views/affiliations. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
The funny thing about this is that the extreme-right has basically adopted the idea of 'diversity' that they're accusing everybody else of pushing. We are supposed to tolerate far-right ideas in discourse simply because those ideas are different | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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oBlade
United States5773 Posts
On January 22 2017 08:07 Euphorbus wrote: So on day 2 of the Trump presidency there was already an anti-Trump/pro-Woman's rights protest with the biggest crowd in DC since the anti Iraq war rallies. Of course Trump is already calling the media 'liars, fake news sad!' for not claiming there were 1.5 million at his inauguration. "There is nobody that has more respect for [x] than..." "I have heard many great things..." We really have to endure 4 years of that nonsense? I doubt it, people will probably burn out of "fighting back" before he actually gets the engine of government going or starts doing anything. They're just having a prolonged psychological reaction to the result. When people are protesting in European cities about the inauguration of a US president something is misfiring. | ||
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Euphorbus
92 Posts
On January 22 2017 08:22 xDaunt wrote: Surely there is one poster around here who understands the concept of editorial bias and its relationship to the truth. Of course there is bias in the media. But when Trump goes out and calls the media 'shameless' and 'fake news' and 'liars' because he wants to claim it didn't rain when everyone in fact knew it did, even the biased power-serving press are astounded. At least when Obama and Bush made obvious lies, there was some self-serving point to these lies. Trump just lies to make the point that reality is irrelevant. Trump wants the media to accept he decides whether it rained or not, regardless of what actually happened. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
On January 22 2017 08:11 zlefin wrote: are you counting nationwide, or only in a particular place? and what kind of numbers are you seeing? how do they compare to some of the major civil rights marches? there was an anti nuclear concert with an attendence of 800k-1 million. also doubt its larger than Obama's first inauguration. assuming of course we're talking single place. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23493 Posts
On January 22 2017 08:22 xDaunt wrote: Surely there is one poster around here who understands the concept of editorial bias and its relationship to the truth. I get what you're saying, but Trump and his Press sec are just outright lying over something remarkably insignificant. That's pathetic no matter where you fall on the political spectrum, and it doesn't do anyone any favors to not admit it's problematic. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 22 2017 08:24 Euphorbus wrote: Of course there is bias in the media. But when Trump goes out and calls the media 'shameless' and 'fake news' and 'liars' because he wants to claim it didn't rain when everyone in fact knew it did, even the biased power-serving press are astounded. Responding to my argument by pointing out that Trump lies demonstrates a remedial understanding of the issue. Try again. | ||
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Euphorbus
92 Posts
On January 22 2017 08:26 xDaunt wrote: Responding to my argument by pointing out that Trump lies demonstrates a remedial understanding of the issue. Try again. I have never seen you make an argument, ever. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 22 2017 08:27 Euphorbus wrote: I have never seen you make an argument, ever. Do the thread a favor and ignore my posts. | ||
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Euphorbus
92 Posts
Why not do everyone a favour and stop posting? User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 22 2017 08:29 Euphorbus wrote: Why not do everyone a favour and stop posting? Many people who vehemently disagree with me would be very sad if I did. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On January 22 2017 08:29 Euphorbus wrote: Why not do everyone a favour and stop posting? I recommend you take the issue to website feedback; there's a us politics thread there, and already plenty of talk about xdaunt. | ||
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oBlade
United States5773 Posts
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mustaju
Estonia4504 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21973 Posts
On January 22 2017 08:26 xDaunt wrote: Responding to my argument by pointing out that Trump lies demonstrates a remedial understanding of the issue. Try again. Please educate me, what is your argument and how does it justify the US President (by proxy of his press secretary or his twitter) telling bold faced lies. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 22 2017 08:41 mustaju wrote: Both of you should grow up. xDaunt, you are TL Staff. You especially need to be held to a high standard. That you are responding in childish one-liners is something you should feel ashamed about. I think I have been very kind and professional in my responses to Euphobros, setting a good example for how to deal with people like him. | ||
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