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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
November 02 2016 12:16 GMT
#117341
How does Trump possibly seems honest at all?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 02 2016 12:21 GMT
#117342
Barack Obama has suggested the Dakota Access pipeline could be rerouted around sacred Native American lands in comments that are the president’s first on the controversial oil project since police arrested hundreds of indigenous protesters during violent clashes.

After months of pleas from activists in North Dakota to stop construction of a pipeline that the Standing Rock tribe says could contaminate its water supply and threaten its cultural heritage, Obama said in an interview released on Tuesday night that the government was “going to let it play out for several more weeks and determine whether or not this can be resolved in a way that I think is properly attentive to the traditions of the first Americans”.

Asked about the high-profile demonstrations against the $3.8bn pipeline, Obama told news website NowThis: “We’re monitoring this closely and I think as a general rule, my view is that there is a way for us to accommodate sacred lands of Native Americans, and I think that right now the army corps is examining whether there are ways to reroute this pipeline.”

In the wake of a demonstration that began in April and has grown into an international symbol of indigenous rights and climate change activism, the US army corps of engineers announced in September that it would temporarily halt permits to dig on federal land near or under the Missouri river.

Obama had been silent since the army corp’s announcement, and Energy Transfer Partners, the company operating the pipeline, has rapidly moved forward with construction, in recent days approaching the massive protest camps and river where Native American leaders fear significant damage.

The pipeline is scheduled to transport 470,000 barrels of crude oil from the Bakken oil field in North Dakota to a refinery near Chicago. Native American leaders said the construction had already disrupted sacred burial grounds.

A judge recently denied a request from tribal leadership to block construction and the resulting protests have led local police to make more than 400 arrests, with law enforcement officials accusing Native American activists, journalists and film-makers of rioting, criminal trespass, resisting arrest and other serious felony charges.

The law enforcement response has sparked significant backlash. Videos and live streams over the last two weeks have shown a highly militarized police force surrounding unarmed activists with army tanks.


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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
November 02 2016 12:21 GMT
#117343
On November 02 2016 21:16 bo1b wrote:
How does Trump possibly seems honest at all?


He doesn't. At all. But neither does Hillary. And the poll kinda reflects that, most points that Hillary lost from the first poll went to "neither", not to Trump.
On track to MA1950A.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 02 2016 12:34 GMT
#117344
In California, the city of Oakland was the first to regulate and tax medical marijuana dispensaries. Now, some city leaders see the industry's profits and are proposing to take a bigger piece of the action. The Oakland City Council is voting later this month on a pot profit-taking plan.

Harborside Health Center in Oakland is the largest medical marijuana dispensary in the nation.

Its executive director, Steve DeAngelo, says his dispensary brings in about $30 million in annual revenues.

"We've created over a 150 well-paying jobs and we're the second largest retail taxpayer in the city," he says.

DeAngelo says Harborside pays about $1.5 million in taxes every year.

His operation is one of eight licensed dispensaries in Oakland. But there are scores of other pot businesses that operate semi-legally, meaning they pay taxes but they are not fully licensed. And now the city wants to license them, too, but at a price.

The exploding cannabis industry has the city rethinking how much the dispensaries should pay the city to operate and who gets those licenses. City Councilwoman Desley Brooks is leading that effort.

"When you look at this industry across the United States and in Oakland, the vast majority of people who are making money in this industry are white males," she said during a recent city hearing.

Harborside's DeAngelo says he's sympathetic with effort to diversify the industry. But he has problems with Brooks' other plan to charge dispensaries 25 percent of their profits.

"And the courts have really been very, very consistent in ruling that a government agency is not allowed to take private property in that fashion," he says.

The debate over whether they city should demand medical marijuana profits comes as it is still grappling with how to promote diversity in the industry.


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Powerpill
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States1693 Posts
November 02 2016 12:48 GMT
#117345
On November 02 2016 21:12 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
It's over.



I'm surprised that the "Neither" option isn't at around 70% myself
The pretty things are going to hell, they wore it out but they wore it well
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-02 12:51:48
November 02 2016 12:50 GMT
#117346
It is important to remember that Clinton has been dipping in national polls, but Trump has been fairing poorly in the state polls that matter. That specific poll was nationwide, allowed for cell phones and does not appear to be limited to likely voters. The race is now about turn out in battle ground states, rather than changing minds.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 02 2016 13:12 GMT
#117347
opposition to clinton is to significant extent opposition to establishment politics. has to do with accumulated failures. but also lack of powerful and clear voice for the center.

to the extent that daring to think about military power as a tool of diplomacy = neoconism is just reflection of how bad the public misunderstands core u.s. fp. it is about development and longterm solutions, short term deterrence for stability.

We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-02 13:32:21
November 02 2016 13:32 GMT
#117348
On November 02 2016 21:16 bo1b wrote:
How does Trump possibly seems honest at all?


If we define honest as always saying what he believes to be true I think you could make a legitimate case for it, because he's that delusional.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18213 Posts
November 02 2016 13:46 GMT
#117349
On November 02 2016 22:32 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2016 21:16 bo1b wrote:
How does Trump possibly seems honest at all?


If we define honest as always saying what he believes to be true I think you could make a legitimate case for it, because he's that delusional.

In words maybe, but there's still his shady deals with his foundation paying his bills. How is that honest?
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-02 13:54:31
November 02 2016 13:53 GMT
#117350
trump and one of his mobster buddies caught on film lol.

this is the guy wikileaks etc foreign policy leftists are carrying water for. buddy of mobsters and kleptocrats the world over. yay for progress.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Nyan
Profile Joined April 2015
Germany1931 Posts
November 02 2016 14:28 GMT
#117351
I wonder how much the world politics will change once we have Trump as US president. China and Russia will have a field day with this.
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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6336 Posts
November 02 2016 14:37 GMT
#117352
On November 02 2016 23:28 Nyan wrote:
I wonder how much the world politics will change once we have Trump as US president. China and Russia will have a field day with this.

Clinton presidency would have been a dream for Russia/China, day after the inauguration both ambassadors come to the white house with copies of the deleted emails and a note saying 'guess who's calling the shots now Hillary '
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4383 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-02 14:39:51
November 02 2016 14:38 GMT
#117353
On November 02 2016 21:50 Plansix wrote:
It is important to remember that Clinton has been dipping in national polls, but Trump has been fairing poorly in the state polls that matter. That specific poll was nationwide, allowed for cell phones and does not appear to be limited to likely voters. The race is now about turn out in battle ground states, rather than changing minds.

State polls aren't looking as good for Clinton anymore dude.
+7 NC Trump Yesterday
Clinton only up by 3 in CO today
Trump +4 AZ today
Even VA has tightened considerably

Nat polls are updated more frequently than state polls, as the post FBI state polls come in we are seeing a sizable shift toward Trump - undeniable fact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43565 Posts
November 02 2016 14:38 GMT
#117354
On November 02 2016 23:37 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2016 23:28 Nyan wrote:
I wonder how much the world politics will change once we have Trump as US president. China and Russia will have a field day with this.

Clinton presidency would have been a dream for Russia/China, day after the inauguration both ambassadors come to the white house with copies of the deleted emails and a note saying 'guess who's calling the shots now Hillary '

Thus explaining the close cooperation and support between Trump and Putin.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Monochromatic
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States998 Posts
November 02 2016 14:39 GMT
#117355
On November 02 2016 21:16 bo1b wrote:
How does Trump possibly seems honest at all?


When Clinton has a position on an issue, her answers seem strategic, like they were designed to appeal to as many people as possible. She screens her answers.

Meanwhile Trump just says whatever, like ban all Muslims! or build a wall! It's painfully obvious that no one has looked over what he is going to say. I have full confidence Trump believes what he says.

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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6336 Posts
November 02 2016 14:41 GMT
#117356
On November 02 2016 23:38 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2016 23:37 zeo wrote:
On November 02 2016 23:28 Nyan wrote:
I wonder how much the world politics will change once we have Trump as US president. China and Russia will have a field day with this.

Clinton presidency would have been a dream for Russia/China, day after the inauguration both ambassadors come to the white house with copies of the deleted emails and a note saying 'guess who's calling the shots now Hillary '

Thus explaining the close cooperation and support between Trump and Putin.

You're two days late with your conspiracy theories:

Investigating Donald Trump, F.B.I. Sees No Clear Link to Russia
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43565 Posts
November 02 2016 14:42 GMT
#117357
On November 02 2016 23:41 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2016 23:38 KwarK wrote:
On November 02 2016 23:37 zeo wrote:
On November 02 2016 23:28 Nyan wrote:
I wonder how much the world politics will change once we have Trump as US president. China and Russia will have a field day with this.

Clinton presidency would have been a dream for Russia/China, day after the inauguration both ambassadors come to the white house with copies of the deleted emails and a note saying 'guess who's calling the shots now Hillary '

Thus explaining the close cooperation and support between Trump and Putin.

You're two days late with your conspiracy theories:

Investigating Donald Trump, F.B.I. Sees No Clear Link to Russia

And yet here we are with Putin backed wikileaks attacking Hillary day after day.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4383 Posts
November 02 2016 14:47 GMT
#117358
On November 02 2016 23:42 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2016 23:41 zeo wrote:
On November 02 2016 23:38 KwarK wrote:
On November 02 2016 23:37 zeo wrote:
On November 02 2016 23:28 Nyan wrote:
I wonder how much the world politics will change once we have Trump as US president. China and Russia will have a field day with this.

Clinton presidency would have been a dream for Russia/China, day after the inauguration both ambassadors come to the white house with copies of the deleted emails and a note saying 'guess who's calling the shots now Hillary '

Thus explaining the close cooperation and support between Trump and Putin.

You're two days late with your conspiracy theories:

Investigating Donald Trump, F.B.I. Sees No Clear Link to Russia

And yet here we are with Putin backed wikileaks attacking Hillary day after day.

FBI is hitting Hillary every day now too, is Putin in control of the FBI now? Time for the conspiracy theorists to accept these leaks most likely came from insiders in DC wanting to expose crooked Hillary and the Clinton Foundation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
November 02 2016 14:48 GMT
#117359
On November 02 2016 21:16 m4ini wrote:
Kept away for a long time from this thread an teamliquid in general, coming back for a rather simple question that was asked in the pub last weekend. Between two pints, a couple of mates raised the point that the election is rigged, ironically, considering the US is the self proclaimed "democracy spreader" of the world.

My opinion is/was, that there won't be any rigging at the voting ballots. That's just a retarded idea. But the argument that the election is rigged came from the behaviour of the DNC and ("connected") media.

Would "very one-sided media" and a party that actively denounces/undermines efforts of certain candidates make the election "rigged"? Since i took a break, roughly 1500 pages were added to this thread, if it was discussed already, my bad - friendly pointer to roughly the right point would be nice then.

Show nested quote +
Trump now seen as more honest than Clinton in new Post-ABC Tracking Poll


That's not surprising to me, honestly. Although "more trustworthy" is relative. Less than 0 trustworthiness is still 0 trustworthiness.


depends whether the media is correct when it does so. there is a somewhat objective truth to things.

as to undermining certain candidates by a party, that didn't really happen all that much, mostly there were allegations, which proved inadequately founded.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6336 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-02 14:51:00
November 02 2016 14:48 GMT
#117360
On November 02 2016 23:42 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2016 23:41 zeo wrote:
On November 02 2016 23:38 KwarK wrote:
On November 02 2016 23:37 zeo wrote:
On November 02 2016 23:28 Nyan wrote:
I wonder how much the world politics will change once we have Trump as US president. China and Russia will have a field day with this.

Clinton presidency would have been a dream for Russia/China, day after the inauguration both ambassadors come to the white house with copies of the deleted emails and a note saying 'guess who's calling the shots now Hillary '

Thus explaining the close cooperation and support between Trump and Putin.

You're two days late with your conspiracy theories:

Investigating Donald Trump, F.B.I. Sees No Clear Link to Russia

And yet here we are with Putin backed wikileaks attacking Hillary day after day.

Again, another conspiracy theory. It's easier to blame the Boogie man for everything instead of taking responsibility for her actions.

The US isn't a banana republic to have its elections influenced by a 'bankrupt and failing' Russia. But regardless Hillary would be completely in the pocket of Moscow (if she wins). Think of her as a Tymoshenko type figure, a lot of anti-Russian barking in public but behind the scenes completely sell out to Putin. Trump would just be buddy-buddy friendly with Rusia.
"No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain
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