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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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levelping
Singapore759 Posts
On October 21 2016 10:46 Adreme wrote: Both of them were a little hostile (mostly Trump which is why they started booing him hard for a bit) for the environment but neither one is half as good at executing jokes as Obama so it just feels like a let down though i would also say neither one is half as good as even McCain or Romney were. Obama is one cool cat. He's the exception really, we're not going that have that kind of comic smoothness in the white house for a while. I thought Hillary has some nice zingers, and I think she embraced her "boring" imagine by giving a super dry delivery that suited her Trump was awful | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On October 21 2016 12:04 ticklishmusic wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdBF6h7oH5I this is great. Weird Al always makes things better | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
this man's face tells the story of the election and the evening: http://i.imgur.com/av9tIv8.gifv | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On October 21 2016 12:04 ticklishmusic wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdBF6h7oH5I this is great. This is highly relevant to the election for the current year, 2010. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 21 2016 13:05 plasmidghost wrote: I frequently hear it said that a vote not for Hillary is a vote for Trump. Is the opposite true, i.e. a vote not for Trump is a vote for Hillary? In a sense, yes, in another sense no. It's really an overly reductive statement that's meant to make a broader point. By not voting, you are essentially saying that you find both candidates equally good/bad. But in the context of the people this is generally directed at, "Bernie or bust"-type voters who are actually left of Clinton this doesn't really make much sense. For moderate conservatives (e.g. traditional Republicans), Hillary and Trump might actually be ideologically equidistant from their personal standpoint and they might have no preference for them. For someone left of Hillary, this is absolutely not the case and from a policy perspective, Hillary should be vastly preferable to Trump. It makes no sense to make a statement of "no preference". Even if you find Hillary to be an awful candidate, Trump should be *that much more awful* from a policy-based progressive viewpoint. The reason you don't find this directed the other way is because there are essentially no "right-of-Trump" voters who are abstaining from voting because Trump is not right-leaning enough. There's no analogue to the progressive Democrats on the other side in this scenario, which is why you never see anyone saying "a vote not from Trump is a vote for Hillary". | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On October 21 2016 13:14 TheYango wrote: In a sense, yes, in another sense no. It's really an overly reductive statement that's meant to make a broader point. By not voting, you are essentially saying that you find both candidates equally good/bad. But in the context of the people this is generally directed at, "Bernie or bust"-type voters who are actually left of Clinton this doesn't really make much sense. For moderate conservatives (e.g. traditional Republicans), Hillary and Trump might actually be ideologically equidistant from their personal leaning and they might have no preference for them. For someone left of Hillary, this is absolutely not the case and from a policy perspective, Hillary should be vastly preferable to Trump. It makes no sense to make a statement of "no preference". Even if you find Hillary to be an awful candidate, Trump should be *that much more awful* from a policy-based progressive viewpoint. The reason you don't find this directed the other way is because there are essentially no "right-of-Trump" voters who are abstaining from voting because Trump is not right-leaning enough. There's no analogue to the progressive Democrats on the other side in this scenario, which is why you never see anyone saying "a vote not from Trump is a vote for Hillary". Yeah, that makes sense, I lean way left of Hillary so I get the reasoning | ||
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JW_DTLA
242 Posts
On October 21 2016 12:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/RosieGray/status/789286023721287680 This first 5 minutes are just him licking his own butt and complaining about how everyone hates him, so yeah, I buy it. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On October 21 2016 13:05 plasmidghost wrote: I frequently hear it said that a vote not for Hillary is a vote for Trump. Is the opposite true, i.e. a vote not for Trump is a vote for Hillary? That's more than half his support, I swear. This election is a pleibiscite on what Clinton represents. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On October 21 2016 12:04 ticklishmusic wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdBF6h7oH5I this is great. this is a fucking banger | ||
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JW_DTLA
242 Posts
On October 21 2016 13:28 Danglars wrote: That's more than half his support, I swear. This election is a pleibiscite on what Clinton represents. I want to see some intellectually honest, full throated Pro-Trump people argue on the merits for his policies. I am not talking mealy mouthed lying like Pence, where he just pretends that Trump is someone else. Or raw cowardice like Paul Ryan where he refuses to defend Trump but says he will vote anyways. I want to hear the real, white nationalist defenses of Trump. About how Trump will stop the Great Migration and turn back the brown tide. EDIT: I can make a pro-Hillary case. I would like another 4 years of Obama-like domestic policies and judges, but with more bombing and external aggression. I liked that Obama pulled back and tried multilateralism, but reality has shifted and we need more aggression. What I want to hear is the pro-Trump, without saying Hillary case. | ||
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oBlade
United States5813 Posts
On October 21 2016 13:31 JW_DTLA wrote: I want to see some intellectually honest, full throated Pro-Trump people argue on the merits for his policies. I am not talking mealy mouthed lying like Pence, where he just pretends that Trump is someone else. Or raw cowardice like Paul Ryan where he refuses to defend Trump but says he will vote anyways. I want to hear the real, white nationalist defenses of Trump. About how Trump will stop the Great Migration and turn back the brown tide. If sincerity were a concern of yours you wouldn't have come out with this loaded and I assume rhetorical question. But if you really want to know what white nationalists think about anything, you should study them in their natural habitats. | ||
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JW_DTLA
242 Posts
On October 21 2016 13:40 oBlade wrote: If sincerity were a concern of yours you wouldn't have come out with this loaded and I assume rhetorical question. But if you really want to know what white nationalists think about anything, you should study them in their natural habitats. My grandpa was pretty clear about the need to stop the demographic assault. It was straightforwards. I think the other case is something about shaking up the system and destroying the status quo, no matter how bad Trump is. But even that doesn't sound like a positive endorsement of Trump's message. | ||
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oBlade
United States5813 Posts
On October 21 2016 13:44 JW_DTLA wrote: My grandpa was pretty clear about the need to stop the demographic assault. It was straightforwards. I think the other case is something about shaking up the system and destroying the status quo, no matter how bad Trump is. But even that doesn't sound like a positive endorsement of Trump's message. People have been making the case for both candidates for months. To come now, less than 3 weeks before election day, pretend to prostrate yourself and go, can anyone explain Trump to me for real, the white power way, it's white power right? is not likely to get anyone to volunteer their thoughts to you. It's a basic social thing, there's no good faith. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23564 Posts
On October 21 2016 06:24 KwarK wrote: Watching the second half of the debate now. Hillary is talking about Donald being a sexual predator and he's nodding along with every step of the way. His body language coach must be fucking crying into a bottle of whisky. *nods**nods**nods**nods**nods* This was the most sincere exchange of the night. Notice the difference between when Hillary is saying those things versus when she keeps checking her notes on something like the Wikileaks question. The level of sincerity she had while delivering that part of her answer is what I'd like to see when she talks about the policies she's "adopted" from Bernie (or said she had before him). | ||
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JW_DTLA
242 Posts
On October 21 2016 13:52 oBlade wrote: People have been making the case for both candidates for months. To come now, less than 3 weeks before election day, pretend to prostrate yourself and go, can anyone explain Trump to me for real, the white power way, it's white power right? is not likely to get anyone to volunteer their thoughts to you. It's a basic social thing, there's no good faith. If you are still a Trumpkin after that third debate, you don't get any good faith. Trumpkins need to put out the positive reason they voting for such a steaming pile. Trump isn't even conservative, and he will finish betraying Paul Ryan over the next few days. EDIT: I will go for HRC. I like her cunning, her plotting, and the savagery that she used when she brought down Trump. I like her baits and traps and research. I like how she is comfortable with power and has a broad, strong team of professionals who can walk into the whitehouse and get working instantly. I like her lubricity and lawyerly dodges, a good president will need to be able to talk her way out of a bind. I like how she spent ages memorizing deep policy details. I like her basic rhetoric about being an america together. I like the democratic coalition she has behind her, the most diverse political party in the world. | ||
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oBlade
United States5813 Posts
On October 21 2016 14:06 JW_DTLA wrote: If you are still a Trumpkin after that third debate, you don't get any good faith. Trumpkins need to put out the positive reason they voting for such a steaming pile. Trump isn't even conservative, and he will finish betraying Paul Ryan over the next few days. Good, I'm not a conservative either, but thanks for maturely admitting you're just baiting and not really seeking the opposition's opinions. | ||
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