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Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9118 Posts
October 20 2016 02:48 GMT
#113981
On October 20 2016 11:39 LegalLord wrote:
That may very well have been the most brutally lopsided debate of the three.

Agreed as far as I'm concerned, but I expect voters to see it a little less lopsided than the 1st one in polls
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
October 20 2016 02:48 GMT
#113982
On October 20 2016 11:47 jalstar wrote:
Almost any other Republican could have beaten Hillary this cycle, just keep calm and mention emails from time to time.

Well, clearly the Republicans forget step 1 of their plan.

Step 2 was discredit Hillary Clinton.

Step 1 was to actually have a candidate running.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
October 20 2016 02:49 GMT
#113983
On October 20 2016 11:48 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2016 11:39 LegalLord wrote:
That may very well have been the most brutally lopsided debate of the three.

Agreed as far as I'm concerned, but I expect voters to see it a little less lopsided than the 1st one in polls


I agree, people had higher expectations for Trump in the first debate than for this one.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9858 Posts
October 20 2016 02:49 GMT
#113984
On October 20 2016 11:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:
My analysis for the first two debates were quite nuanced.

This one isn't.

Trump was just fucking annihilated. He looked far worse than he did in the 1st debate. Same exact trajectory where he slowly came off the rails and rambled more and more, but this time, his answers were awful start to finish. Clinton was absolutely on top of her game for the vast majority of the night. There were questions here and there where she looked weak, but every time Trump had an opportunity, he failed HARD.


There's never imo been a debate in politics anywhere with as bad of a performance as the first Trump debate.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 20 2016 02:49 GMT
#113985
Trump's attacks on Hillary also had less impact this time around when he started recycling the same shit that he already used before.
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4748 Posts
October 20 2016 02:49 GMT
#113986
Where is my post debate poll? Need to vote "Wallace only".
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
October 20 2016 02:50 GMT
#113987
On October 20 2016 11:49 Introvert wrote:
Where is my post debate poll? Need to vote "Wallace only".


Don't think there will be one since the first two were bot-bombed by Trump supporters.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5581 Posts
October 20 2016 02:50 GMT
#113988
Would anyone indulge me in naming a debate where they thought a Republican won?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 20 2016 02:50 GMT
#113989
Also, I don't understand Trump's bizarre "give the Saudi's back their money from your charity thing because they hate women/gays."

Wouldn't it make more sense to take the money and spend it on helping impoverished women and people suffering from AIDs (many of whom are gay)?
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
October 20 2016 02:50 GMT
#113990
i wonder how cruz would have done vs hillary
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OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
October 20 2016 02:50 GMT
#113991
On October 20 2016 11:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:
My big issue with Hillary's debate performance, particularly from the start was she tried to go too emotional in nature... It has nothing to do with content, but then it's just about presentation.

I thought Trump easily won the first half of the debate in the eyes of an average voter, but Hillary did better in the 2nd half (roughly from the point when he said he wouldn't support the president)... And I think the 2nd half was a bit better for Hillary than Trump's first half.


He did ok from a holding together standpoint but wasn't winning any points. He was just holding the facade together. Once she said he went to mexico and folded on the wall, basically calling him a bitch he went off the rails and lost catastrophically. That's all it takes for the man to come unhinged and turn into a child.

He wasn't actually doing anything though before he lost it.
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ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
October 20 2016 02:50 GMT
#113992
On October 20 2016 11:46 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2016 11:44 ImFromPortugal wrote:
If Trump was better prepared he could win this elections i mean, she is pretty weak, even against Donald you could see some cracks on her strategy. Trump should have studied foreign policy very hard, her Achilles heel.


Yeah, too bad.

I agree a lot philosophically with some of his positions, but the execution wasn't what it could have been for the entire campaign.

He wasn't the prince that was promised.



The thing is the war is not over yet.

He wilL Start Trump TV, they will bang the drums of war for 4 years and then the alt-right will have a more polished candidate that will try to get the presidency.

Donald basically just needed to rehearse his speeches at home, calmly .... go trough every point, hammer her on foreign policy, how she destabilized Libya that is now run by ISIS , Alqaeda and other Extremists, how she wants to arm the extremists in Aleppo.... The Syria refugee crisis that she helped to create, etc.

Talking about how she accepts donations from Saudi Arabia was good but he could have talked about it more. How saudi's are bombing civilians in Yemen with american bombs. AMERICA NEEDS TO BE A BEACON OF DEMOCRACY AND NOT A FORCE OF TYRANNY.
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OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
October 20 2016 02:51 GMT
#113993
On October 20 2016 11:50 CorsairHero wrote:
i wonder how cruz would have done vs hillary


Cruz and Carson would have lost badly. Rubio would have slaughtered though.
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4748 Posts
October 20 2016 02:52 GMT
#113994
On October 20 2016 11:50 CorsairHero wrote:
i wonder how cruz would have done vs hillary


Would have hammered her on issues. They both lack personality, so that would have been a draw. I would love to have seen that or Rubio, who despite his robot moment generally knows what he is talking about.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
October 20 2016 02:52 GMT
#113995
On October 20 2016 11:51 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2016 11:50 CorsairHero wrote:
i wonder how cruz would have done vs hillary


Cruz and Carson would have lost badly. Rubio would have slaughtered though.


I was thinking Kasich or Ryan or even Romney.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-20 02:53:18
October 20 2016 02:52 GMT
#113996
On October 20 2016 11:50 oBlade wrote:
Would anyone indulge me in naming a debate where they thought a Republican won?

Dick Cheny demolished John Edwards in a debate that was almost as lopsided as the Clinton/Trump 1st debate in 2004
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
October 20 2016 02:53 GMT
#113997
On October 20 2016 11:50 oBlade wrote:
Would anyone indulge me in naming a debate where they thought a Republican won?


Romney won the first debate against Obama.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-20 02:54:06
October 20 2016 02:53 GMT
#113998
On October 20 2016 11:50 CorsairHero wrote:
i wonder how cruz would have done vs hillary


Cruz has quite a few skeletons in his closet and the whole government shutdown thing is loathed by a lot of Americans. He also kind of creeped me out whenever he spoke, but Trump creeps me out even more and gets more support so.

On October 20 2016 11:53 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2016 11:50 oBlade wrote:
Would anyone indulge me in naming a debate where they thought a Republican won?


Romney won the first debate against Obama.


Yep, got a big swing out of it too. Obama looked super tired if I remember correctly, it played poorly.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44271 Posts
October 20 2016 02:54 GMT
#113999
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OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
October 20 2016 02:54 GMT
#114000
On October 20 2016 11:52 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2016 11:51 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On October 20 2016 11:50 CorsairHero wrote:
i wonder how cruz would have done vs hillary


Cruz and Carson would have lost badly. Rubio would have slaughtered though.


I was thinking Kasich or Ryan or even Romney.


Biden destroyed Ryan, he's done for. Kasich or Romney would have done well too. They needed to put forth a sane centrist. The country wasn't asking a lot!
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