EPTOn October 17 2016 02:43 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
This this point, some people are so riled up that even if he were to concede gracefully some won't accept it.
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
This this point, some people are so riled up that even if he were to concede gracefully some won't accept it. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 17 2016 02:43 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/alanhe/status/787669348894867456 I bet this another time when Trump disagrees with Pence. On October 17 2016 02:46 Slaughter wrote: This this point, some people are so riled up that even if he were to concede gracefully some won't accept it. That will narrative. The election was stolen, Trump was forced by the establishment to coincide. | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On October 17 2016 02:32 farvacola wrote: It should be clear by now that ImFromPortugal has no interest in actually delving into Trump's proposed plans; he's comfortable taking Trump's words at face value while many of us are not. I doubt much more will come of this exchange lol To be clear i don't think Trump will win and i think the guy is not very smart or he would have approached this election differently. I just wanted hillary to lose, but it's your country you vote for what you believe i'm mostly against her foreign policies that would have a bigger impact on the world, you guys are free to vote for her home policies and that's fair. | ||
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LegalLord
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21667 Posts
On October 17 2016 02:50 ImFromPortugal wrote: To be clear i don't think Trump will win and i think the guy is not very smart or he would have approached this election differently. I just wanted hillary to lose, but it's your country you vote for what you believe i'm mostly against her foreign policies that would have a bigger impact on the world, you guys are free to vote for her home policies and that's fair. I can understand you think Hillary's FP will not be good. But in what reality will Trump be better? Sofar he has only shown incompetence in the people he surrounds himself with. He is on his 4th? Campaign manager. His spokespeople have having meltdowns on national tv. What is he going to do better? Withdraw from wars? He claims he will defeat ISIS. Cant not fight wars and 'defeat ISIS' (which btw will just free up their resources to take revenge on the west through terrorist actions). Europe? Ask how Eastern Europe feels about the prospect of the US withdrawing from NATO. Asia? China created global warming to steal jobs from US companies. What will Trump do better in FP then Hillary based on the evidence before us? | ||
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RealityIsKing
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But to all Leftists, let's not spread misinformation that Hillary is someone decent. Her and Trump in terms of character are just as shady as each other. But Trump will most likely prioritize American needs than Hillary. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On October 17 2016 03:09 RealityIsKing wrote: Yeah out of everybody that I want to be president, Trump is not in my top 10 list. But to all Leftists, let's not spread misinformation that Hillary is someone decent. Her and Trump in terms of character are just as shady as each other. But Trump will most likely prioritize American needs than Hillary. i'm willing to accept the first 3 (not that I agree, but there's a passable case for them), but the 4th I don't. As a politician who's powerbase is in america, it's in her interest to focus on american needs, and all the evidence indicates she'll focus on american needs. She may have different opinions than you about what those are, but those're certainly what her focus will be. Both of them woudl focus on america because they're politicians from america. Just because trump talks a lot of useless blather doesn't mean his focus is anymore beneficial to america than hers will be. | ||
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RealityIsKing
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On October 17 2016 03:13 zlefin wrote: i'm willing to accept the first 3 (not that I agree, but there's a passable case for them), but the 4th I don't. As a politician who's powerbase is in america, it's in her interest to focus on american needs, and all the evidence indicates she'll focus on american needs. She may have different opinions than you about what those are, but those're certainly what her focus will be. Both of them woudl focus on america because they're politicians from america. Just because trump talks a lot of useless blather doesn't mean his focus is anymore beneficial to america than hers will be. Ok, we can agree to disagree on that. I still think that Trump will probably put America first more than Hillary. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21667 Posts
On October 17 2016 03:09 RealityIsKing wrote: Yeah out of everybody that I want to be president, Trump is not in my top 10 list. But to all Leftists, let's not spread misinformation that Hillary is someone decent. Her and Trump in terms of character are just as shady as each other. But Trump will most likely prioritize American needs than Hillary. Hillary is as shady as Trump. Despite Trump having an ever increasing mountain of evidence against him and Hillary has.. what? Do we have any actual evidence of Hillary's shadiness yet? Yes, Trump will prioritize Americans... the 1% who will no longer have to pay estate taxes. The companies who can pay their CEO's more thanks to tax cuts. Because Trickle Down economics does not work The middle class and poor who get fucked over because something has to give when tax income takes a nosedive from the above measures. give me a break. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9118 Posts
On October 17 2016 02:43 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/alanhe/status/787669348894867456 As much as I disagree with pretty much everything Pence stands for ideologically, it's nice to know that in the event of a Trump win, there is at least one single person on his team that has some semblance of a backbone in a sea of yes men indulging the manbaby's tantrums | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On October 17 2016 03:15 RealityIsKing wrote: Ok, we can agree to disagree on that. I still think that Trump will probably put America first more than Hillary. on what basis? why wouldn't both put america first all the time? who are they putting america behind? | ||
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RealityIsKing
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On October 17 2016 03:17 zlefin wrote: on what basis? why wouldn't both put america first all the time? who are they putting america behind? On the basis that Trump's plan of making companies to create more jobs in America than elsewhere or giving them more incentive to create jobs on American soil. To be honest, I don't think Nixon did your average Americans any favor by signing that deal with China. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21667 Posts
On October 17 2016 03:21 RealityIsKing wrote: On the basis that Trump's plan of making companies to create more jobs in America than elsewhere or giving them more incentive to create jobs on American soil. To be honest, I don't think Nixon did your average Americans any favor by signing that deal with China. Cutting taxes on companies does not create more jobs. Trickle down economics does not work. It just means more money vanishes in the boards pockets. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On October 17 2016 03:16 Dan HH wrote: As much as I disagree with pretty much everything Pence stands for ideologically, it's nice to know that in the event of a Trump win, there is at least one single person on his team that has some semblance of a backbone in a sea of yes men indulging the manbaby's tantrums I'm increasingly convinced that Pence took the VP slot to set himself up for 2020. He probably figures he can snatch up a chunk of Trump's base because he was the running mate, and that plus his religious right appeal can get him to a primary win. Oh, and the establishment won't try to smack him down because he looks sane. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On October 17 2016 03:21 RealityIsKing wrote: On the basis that Trump's plan of making companies to create more jobs in America than elsewhere or giving them more incentive to create jobs on American soil. To be honest, I don't think Nixon did your average Americans any favor by signing that deal with China. have you studied economics? I'm guessing not, since you're not aware of how protectionism wouldn't really work. His plans are fundamentally unsound; you can't just make companies create more jobs in america. It doesn't create more wealth, it just raises prices for american goods, it makes americans poorer, not richer. | ||
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RealityIsKing
613 Posts
On October 17 2016 03:16 Gorsameth wrote: Hillary is as shady as Trump. Despite Trump having an ever increasing mountain of evidence against him and Hillary has.. what? Do we have any actual evidence of Hillary's shadiness yet? Yes, Trump will prioritize Americans... the 1% who will no longer have to pay estate taxes. The companies who can pay their CEO's more thanks to tax cuts. Because Trickle Down economics does not work The middle class and poor who get fucked over because something has to give when tax income takes a nosedive from the above measures. give me a break. You can take your break. The reason why the lower class get fucked is because they don't have work to do. I'm sure that everybody would prefer to contribute to the society in highly technical fields rather than working at minimum wage, taking welfare money from the government. The best way to solve that problem is to give companies more motivation to innovate new products and taxing employers more only makes them cut workers in order to compete. | ||
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RealityIsKing
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On October 17 2016 03:26 zlefin wrote: have you studied economics? I'm guessing not, since you're not aware of how protectionism wouldn't really work. His plans are fundamentally unsound; you can't just make companies create more jobs in america. It doesn't create more wealth, it just raises prices for american goods, it makes americans poorer, not richer. I've studied financial accounting, market economy, and environmental economy. No, totally banning companies from investing other countries is of course extreme and nobody here is assuming that except for those that want to put words into other people's mouth instead of being calm mannered and put egos aside. But taxing more employers will most certainly make them look at foreign countries to spent their money rather than investing domestically. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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oBlade
United States5583 Posts
On October 17 2016 03:08 Gorsameth wrote: Withdraw from wars? He claims he will defeat ISIS. Cant not fight wars and 'defeat ISIS' (which btw will just free up their resources to take revenge on the west through terrorist actions). Attacking ISIS does not "free" them to attack the west. It's foolhardy to be a dogmatic pacifist. Wars happen whether you cross your fingers or not. Both candidates will probably end up doing something in Syria, which is good, and it was a mistake for the current administration to ignore it. What Trump is against is spurious wars, and directionless proxy wars. If you're looking for a candidate who eschews war entirely, you have to go to another planet, because on this one you can't outlaw war just by who you elect. Hillary on the other hand is a neocon who didn't learn anything from Iraq and Afghanistan - we know this from the events in Libya during her tenure. On October 17 2016 03:08 Gorsameth wrote: Europe? Ask how Eastern Europe feels about the prospect of the US withdrawing from NATO. We're not going to leave NATO. But Russia's not thrilled about the eastward creep of the EU. | ||
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RealityIsKing
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On October 17 2016 03:32 plasmidghost wrote: I've got a bad feeling that regardless of who wins the election, there's going to be riots Fuck that, I'm staying home. | ||
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