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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On October 11 2016 06:23 Ayaz2810 wrote: Listening to this congressman defending trump on CNN is awesome. The ability to deny reality in some people is amazing. I can't decide if people genuinely believe the shit they say in his defense, or if they are just clinging to a slim hope that he will win and remember their support. Either way, that is kinda frightening. a standard part of politics in many places is lying blatantly to protect your team. sad really, but that's how it is. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On October 11 2016 06:41 Dan HH wrote: E: I prefer this one A comparison to Marie Antoinette pretending to be a shepherdess would not be unwarranted here. | ||
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
On October 11 2016 06:44 Mohdoo wrote: Looking forward, do any of the republicans on TL think opposition to gay marriage and abortion will be viable in 2020? When are you guys going to finally admit defeat and try to win an election again? This Jesus shit isn't working. I'm glad its not working, because it is dog shit. But it amazes me to see a losing position be tried again and again. The christian right is a powerful force. The party wouldnt dare risk losing them, and to be fair, they may be so interwtwined that it would be impossible anyway. We have a lot of uneducated religious people in this country still, and they know/use that fact. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
On October 11 2016 06:49 Ayaz2810 wrote: The christian right is a powerful force. The party wouldnt dare risk losing them, and to be fair, they may be so interwtwined that it would be impossible anyway. We have a lot of uneducated religious people in this country still, and they know/use that fact. Powerful, very powerful even, yes. But this is the 3rd time it jasmt been powerful enough. 2016 being the last election where baby boomers play a dominant role is a huge deal. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
On October 11 2016 06:57 biology]major wrote: Yeah the right will never let go of abortion, they actually have some ground there. There is no legitimate defense for being anti-gay outside of religion. Its a shame that they still think in 2016 that a woman should not have absolute and uncontested control over what happens inside her body. I dunno what kind of "ground" they could have. | ||
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farvacola
United States18843 Posts
On October 11 2016 06:59 Ayaz2810 wrote: Its a shame that they still think in 2016 that a woman should not have absolute and uncontested control over what happens inside her body. I dunno what kind of "ground" they could have. Legitimate reverence for the notion that abortion is murder doesn't really care about bodily integrity, and therein lies the ground. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10825 Posts
On October 11 2016 06:59 Ayaz2810 wrote: Its a shame that they still think in 2016 that a woman should not have absolute and uncontested control over what happens inside her body. I dunno what kind of "ground" they could have. There is actually the ground of what the future Father wants. But imho as long as we are discussing abortion in general, we aren't even close to this minefield  . | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On October 11 2016 06:57 biology]major wrote: Yeah the right will never let go of abortion, they actually have some ground there. There is no legitimate defense for being anti-gay outside of religion. Uhm, I don't think there is much needed to change that stance. All you need is candidate, whos daughter had an abortion, and he simply can't go with the usual course. And don't tell me that could not happen. People would have said the same, if you were telling them, that someone with Trumps history in regards to marriages, and extramarrital stuff would be the candidate. And not like in the past all candidate familymembers have been saint (by GOP values). Then again, this makes me wonder again, why always the entire family is dragged into those elections. Hell, if I would have to estimate how many Germans know the name of Merkels husband, I would guess about 10-15%. Same answer for how many would know it was her husband if you would tell them the name or how many would know him from a picture. Hell, I would actually bet that more people in Germany believe that Merkel isn't even married, than there would be people knowing her husband. And she certainly isn't the only one, whose family is completely left out of politics. In fact I don't know anyone who is really dragging their family into it, besides the occasional "i'm an x time mother" | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On October 11 2016 06:59 Ayaz2810 wrote: Its a shame that they still think in 2016 that a woman should not have absolute and uncontested control over what happens inside her body. I dunno what kind of "ground" they could have. If you fail to see the argument of the other side then idk what to tell you. It's difficult to draw the line at where a fetus is human and gets constitutional rights, and it's even harder to evaluate if the fetus's right to life supersedes the woman's right to bodily autonomy. If you think these are cut and dry cases you are delusional. Better to be literally conservative in these situations where you don't really know what's right. Your position makes no sense to me. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On October 11 2016 07:11 mahrgell wrote: Uhm, I don't think there is much needed to change that stance. All you need is candidate, whos daughter had an abortion, and he simply can't go with the usual course. And don't tell me that could not happen. People would have said the same, if you were telling them, that someone with Trumps history in regards to marriages, and extramarrital stuff would be the candidate. And not like in the past all candidate familymembers have been saint (by GOP values). Then again, this makes me wonder again, why always the entire family is dragged into those elections. Hell, if I would have to estimate how many Germans know the name of Merkels husband, I would guess about 10-15%. Same answer for how many would know it was her husband if you would tell them the name or how many would know him from a picture. Hell, I would actually bet that more people in Germany believe that Merkel isn't even married, than there would be people knowing her husband. And she certainly isn't the only one, whose family is completely left out of politics. In fact I don't know anyone who is really dragging their family into it, besides the occasional "i'm an x time mother" American politics™. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22007 Posts
On October 11 2016 07:11 mahrgell wrote: Uhm, I don't think there is much needed to change that stance. All you need is candidate, whos daughter had an abortion, and he simply can't go with the usual course. And don't tell me that could not happen. People would have said the same, if you were telling them, that someone with Trumps history in regards to marriages, and extramarrital stuff would be the candidate. And not like in the past all candidate familymembers have been saint (by GOP values). Then again, this makes me wonder again, why always the entire family is dragged into those elections. Hell, if I would have to estimate how many Germans know the name of Merkels husband, I would guess about 10-15%. Same answer for how many would know it was her husband if you would tell them the name or how many would know him from a picture. Hell, I would actually bet that more people in Germany believe that Merkel isn't even married, than there would be people knowing her husband. And she certainly isn't the only one, whose family is completely left out of politics. In fact I don't know anyone who is really dragging their family into it, besides the occasional "i'm an x time mother" The family also never comes into the picture in Dutch elections. I would be impressed if you can find 100 people in our country who can identify the Prime Minsters wife. #justUSthings | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On October 11 2016 07:13 biology]major wrote: If you fail to see the argument of the other side then idk what to tell you. It's difficult to draw the line at where a fetus is human and gets constitutional rights, and it's even harder to evaluate if the fetus's right to life supersedes the woman's right to bodily autonomy. If you think these are cut and dry cases you are delusional. Better to be literally conservative in these situations where you don't really know what's right. Your position makes no sense to me. true that; his position is incorrect and excessive. however it would help if the focus was on a scientific and evidence based approach to the question of when it becomes human; as that's something that could be independetly assessed and rigorously analyzed. | ||
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RoomOfMush
1296 Posts
On October 11 2016 07:19 zlefin wrote: [...] it would help if the focus was on a scientific and evidence based approach to the question of when it becomes human; as that's something that could be independetly assessed and rigorously analyzed. D'uh! Obviously when god breathes a soul into its body roughly 2 weeks before the pregnancy. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-threatens-clinton-attacks-tapes-229566 I don't think he understands how blackmail works, because he's already going to do that-he's made that perfectly clear. Or how journalism works. Much like he doesn't understand how "I'm not going to bring it up" works. | ||
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farvacola
United States18843 Posts
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oBlade
United States5788 Posts
This could be a prescription for insomnia, so satisfying. | ||
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