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United States7542 Posts
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
On October 10 2016 13:27 parkufarku wrote: Nah. Hillary only claims to be progressive and hold those interests. Her interests changed drastically - so I don't trust her at all. Her views are often Republican sometimes. Trump seems actually NY progressive sometimes. But most importantly, it's important to tell Establishment its not fucking OK to throw out votes. Sending them a message that if they mess with our basic democracy, we'll not take it bending over - there will be consequences. It's also 4 years of sacrifice to make sure Establishment is taken down or at least damaged. As a progressive, how would you feel if in those 4 years, 3 deeply conservative judges get appointed to the supreme court? How do you feel about a republican controlled executive and legislative branch? I think you underestimate what can happen in 4 years. | ||
KwarK
United States42821 Posts
On October 10 2016 13:37 Starlightsun wrote: Is someone really botting threads on gaming websites? Did R1CH find the source of the bots? You've got to try and understand the mindset of the Trump supporter. Reality is wrong and any evidence that reality produces that conflicts with the Trump worldview is wrong. And therefore the primary responsibility must be the correction of reality to make it conform with the latest utterances of the Mini-Truth. | ||
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RealityIsKing
613 Posts
On October 10 2016 13:36 jalstar wrote: If there's so much dirt on Trump, which we've seen there is, is it just a coincidence that Wikileaks hasn't found any? Trump's dirt is on a smaller scale than Hillary. Trump even said it: "Just words, not action." while for Hillary, its totally reversal. Hillary did much more physical damage that you can measure in body count and money loss while Trump, yes have that thing about taxes but it was done legally. I don't think Wikileaks releases any silly videos but stuff that actually exposes how politics is working from behind. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On October 10 2016 13:40 KwarK wrote: You've got to try and understand the mindset of the Trump supporter. Reality is wrong and any evidence that reality produces that conflicts with the Trump worldview is wrong. And therefore the primary responsibility must be the correction of reality to make it conform with the latest utterances of the Mini-Truth. The irony is all loading these worthless polls up does is makes Trump think his farts don't stink. They're effectively hurting their own candidate by doing it. He thinks he's kicking ass and taking names according to all these unscientific polls and keeps being stupid. | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On October 10 2016 13:40 KwarK wrote: You've got to try and understand the mindset of the Trump supporter. Reality is wrong and any evidence that reality produces that conflicts with the Trump worldview is wrong. And therefore the primary responsibility must be the correction of reality to make it conform with the latest utterances of the Mini-Truth. Okay but for those of us who value reality and evidence, is it really certain that people are botting polls on teamliquid? Do you know who they are? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 10 2016 13:43 Starlightsun wrote: Okay but for those of us who value reality and evidence, is it really certain that people are botting polls on teamliquid? Do you know who they are? He already said yes and it's Trump supporters. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Also, this time of the year always reminds me how utterly ignorant undecided voters are this late on the cycle. Are you really telling me that the non stop coverage of these candidates for the last year doesnt make up your mind, yet this one shitty debate changes your mind for good. Give me a break. I agree with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar we don't really want people that aren't paying attention at this point in time to vote because they're not going to make an informed decision most likely. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On October 10 2016 13:31 TheTenthDoc wrote: I think Clinton winning+tie was around 45% though, which seems much more reasonable than it is now. iirc, it was like 35% clinton winning, 40% tie, 25% trump winning. | ||
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KwarK
United States42821 Posts
On October 10 2016 13:43 Starlightsun wrote: Okay but for those of us who value reality and evidence, is it really certain that people are botting polls on teamliquid? Do you know who they are? Nothing in life is certain. What is known is that the polls went resoundingly in a way that conforms with both reality and the readership after the first debate, (in which Clinton overwhelmingly won). The readership of this topic is leans Clinton hard and Clinton won hard and the first poll reflected that, putting her at 84% won. New votes slowed to a trickle because everyone had already voted. Then 150 new votes were placed for Trump in the space of about 12 hours. I asked R1CH (tl admin and computer whizz) to look into it and he confirmed that it was bombarded by proxy IPs. Make of that what you will. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On October 10 2016 13:43 Starlightsun wrote: Okay but for those of us who value reality and evidence, is it really certain that people are botting polls on teamliquid? Do you know who they are? If you just look at the numbers right now according to that poll there are 96 Trump supporters and 85 Hillary supporters in this thread. Those numbers don't actually line up with the reality of the TL Politics Megathread so it doesn't pass the smell test. If R1CH says its being botted you can believe its being botted. By who? We might not ever know. Depends if R1CH can find out, or even cares to find out. I'm guessing its pretty low on his priority list though. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On October 10 2016 13:46 LegalLord wrote: I'd say that the general consensus from the aggregate of all things I've seen so far is that this debate was more or less a draw. That was the top vote from this thread before the bots. Overall would mostly say this was a wash, slightly Hillary favored in the polls you're going to see. Trump stemming the bleeding somewhat, but isn't going to gain ground. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On October 10 2016 13:46 KwarK wrote: Nothing in life is certain. What is known is that the polls went resoundingly in a way that conforms with both reality and the readership after the first debate, (in which Clinton overwhelmingly won). The readership of this topic is leans Clinton hard and Clinton won hard and the first poll reflected that, putting her at 84% won. New votes slowed to a trickle because everyone had already voted. Then 150 new votes were placed for Trump in the space of about 12 hours. I asked R1CH (tl admin and computer whizz) to look into it and he confirmed that it was bombarded by proxy IPs. Make of that what you will. Wow truly bizarre... I guess it's kind of like maphacking in online games or something. Just boggles my mind that someone would go through the trouble for something so insignificant as a TL poll. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On October 10 2016 13:49 Starlightsun wrote: Wow truly bizarre... I guess it's kind of like maphacking in online games or something. Just boggles my mind that someone would go through the trouble for something so insignificant as a TL poll. They do it for all the other online polls (Times etc.), so why not here I guess? | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4335 Posts
On October 10 2016 13:46 LegalLord wrote: I'd say that the general consensus from the aggregate of all things I've seen so far is that this debate was more or less a draw. Which comes out as a trump win because Hillary and the liberals were expecting him to roll over. Hillary underperformed badly here. | ||
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Netscape9
United States139 Posts
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On October 10 2016 13:56 Netscape9 wrote: What is with this awful poll? What if you don't support EITHER of them? Johnson and Stein fans? Yeah the poll options are kind of whack but that doesn't matter at all if there's bots screwing it up anyway dude lol. | ||
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