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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Which is fair enough. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22677 Posts
On October 09 2016 19:49 Incognoto wrote: I'm on the side which would most benefit the country. I don't really want Trump elected, but can't help note the disparity between the treatment both candidates are getting. Hillary's scandals are being blown over and ignored. In contrast, anything and everything Trump does is blown out of proportion. Then again, both of them are so bad that they almost deserve it. Could it be because Hillary's scandals get investigated and keep turning up nothing while (some of) Trumps scandals actually have factual proof behind them? As for the treatment they are getting, I am sorry but what? Hillary is being treated as a politician and a presidential candidate and judged as such. Trump has a good day when he isn't lighting his pants on fire and has made so many statements that would have buried any other candidate. If Hillary had made a statement 30 years ago about how only Jews should be allowed to count her money and that black accountants should never touch it do you think she would even be in the running today? Trump tho can make such statements and barely cause a breeze. Hillary being treated more favorably my ass. | ||
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Swisslink
2958 Posts
On October 09 2016 19:49 Incognoto wrote: I'm on the side which would most benefit the country. I don't really want Trump elected, but can't help note the disparity between the treatment both candidates are getting. Hillary's scandals are being blown over and ignored. In contrast, anything and everything Trump does is blown out of proportion. Then again, both of them are so bad that they almost deserve it. How are Hillary's scandals blown over and ignored? The eMail scandal is still omnipresent - but so far there has been no prove that it was anything but Hillary being careless. Basically: The GOP wanted the scandal to be bigger than it actually seems to be. With Trump's scandals it's pretty much the opposite. Every scandal about him turns out to be even worse than most people thought. -> Trump does not release his tax returns -> He might have paid less taxes than he should have -> Turns out he hasn't paid any income taxes for more than a decade. -> Trump does not think very highly about women -> Aaaand the video appears where he talks shit about women nonstop. And I am not even trying to defend Hillary here. I would even argue that she should not be president neither, but her scandals just never turn out to be what the GOP would like them to. Against every other candidate these scandals would still be enough to politically kill her; against Trump however, where every scandal turns out to be bigger than it initially appeared, they just they are just not enough. | ||
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Howie_Dewitt
United States1416 Posts
On October 09 2016 20:40 Swisslink wrote: How are Hillary's scandals blown over and ignored? The eMail scandal is still omnipresent - but so far there has been no prove that it was anything but Hillary being careless. Basically: The GOP wanted the scandal to be bigger than it actually seems to be. With Trump's scandals it's pretty much the opposite. Every scandal about him turns out to be even worse than most people thought. -> Trump does not release his tax returns -> He might have paid less taxes than he should have -> Turns out he hasn't paid any income taxes for more than a decade. -> Trump does not think very highly about women -> Aaaand the video appears where he talks shit about women nonstop. And I am not even trying to defend Hillary here. I would even argue that she should not be president neither, but her scandals just never turn out to be what the GOP would like them to. Against every other candidate these scandals would still be enough to politically kill her; against Trump however, where every scandal turns out to be bigger than it initially appeared, they just they are just not enough. It's such a shame that the third party candidates this year couldn't reliably beat vermin supreme, they could have had a breakout year. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4460 Posts
On October 09 2016 20:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Hillary actually has a filter for the most part (except for the "deplorables" comment, which she took plenty of criticism for). Half the time someone asks her a tough question she just goes into either a coughing fit or a laughing fit. We've all seen it on multiple occasions. Not a bad strategy but the media wouldn't be so lenient on Trump if he did the same. Here's one from the Benghazi hearings in 2015, coughing starts around 0:26 in. There are dozens of clips like this. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On October 09 2016 20:13 Incognoto wrote: Heh! To be fair it's entirely possible that I get the impression that Trump is criticized more precisely because he says a bunch of dumb shit without stopping. Which is fair enough. The 2005 clip is not just him saying dumb shit. It's him describing physical advances on a woman prior to consent and without time for her to indicate consent or refuse. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On October 09 2016 19:49 Incognoto wrote: I'm on the side which would most benefit the country. I don't really want Trump elected, but can't help note the disparity between the treatment both candidates are getting. Hillary's scandals are being blown over and ignored. In contrast, anything and everything Trump does is blown out of proportion. Then again, both of them are so bad that they almost deserve it. There is no way in hell that you can say that Hillary's scandals are "blown over and ignored" when compared to Trump. This is an egregious false equivalency. Hillary has been in the media spotlight for decades. Her emails have been constantly poured over for years. She went through something like seven (7!!!!!!) Benghazi investigations and the issue is still brought up. Every possible scandal that she commits is brutally combed through by the media. Meanwhile, Trump has multiple accusations of rape leveled against him, his foundation is a complete and blatant lie, and he's facing a lawsuit based on his university, and that's not even all of his major scandals, yet these were/are very rarely covered by the media. The average person knows a lot more about Hillary's emails or Benghazi than they do about the rape accusations against Trump, the lawsuit against Trump university, the investigation into his foundation and his possible bribing of public officials, etc. The reason it seems like her scandals are "ignored" is because 1) your perception bias (particularly who you might read/watch) and 2) the fact that she hasn't actually been found to have done anything illegal or disqualifying. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12610 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On October 09 2016 22:24 Doodsmack wrote: The 2005 clip is not just him saying dumb shit. It's him describing physical advances on a woman prior to consent and without time for her to indicate consent or refuse. I think everyone defending the clip hadn't even bothered to watch it. They know he talks about pussy and they are assuming it is roughly just that. Overly politically correct this or that. No. He is describing what would he considered sexual assault in any context. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46637 Posts
On October 09 2016 22:22 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Half the time someone asks her a tough question she just goes into either a coughing fit or a laughing fit. We've all seen it on multiple occasions. Not a bad strategy but the media wouldn't be so lenient on Trump if he did the same. Here's one from the Benghazi hearings in 2015, coughing starts around 0:26 in. https://youtu.be/-7hjf2zgp2c?t=22 There are dozens of clips like this. Honestly, I think the best advice that a Trump campaign manager/ advisor could give him is "Any time you want to ever mention a group of people, just cough instead because you clearly can't keep your mouth shut and everything you say is idiotic". | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46637 Posts
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Dan HH
Romania9254 Posts
Sad stuff, I look forward to the day when being openly atheist isn't political suicide in the US (or in Romania for that matter) | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On October 10 2016 00:01 Dan HH wrote: https://twitter.com/pewresearch/status/785128922950303744 Sad stuff, I look forward to the day when being openly atheist isn't political suicide in the US (or in Romania for that matter) Having an affair is not as bad as being an atheist. I mean, I knew being an atheist is political suicide but wow. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On October 10 2016 00:01 Dan HH wrote: https://twitter.com/pewresearch/status/785128922950303744 Sad stuff, I look forward to the day when being openly atheist isn't political suicide in the US (or in Romania for that matter) Trump proves that you could probably get away with it (look at the never held office numbers for comparison) | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22677 Posts
On October 10 2016 00:16 Mohdoo wrote: It is depressing how much people value military service. It really means nothing. If someone was a high ranking military official, maybe. Considering the patriotism in the US what greater mark of selflessly serving your country is there then military service? | ||
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