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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5936 Posts
October 08 2016 05:27 GMT
#107661
On October 08 2016 14:27 PassiveAce wrote:
memes are basically the same as sexual assault guys

I'm not a lawyer but talking to a reporter isn't sexual assault.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
October 08 2016 05:28 GMT
#107662
On October 08 2016 14:16 Leporello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2016 11:44 ticklishmusic wrote:
On October 08 2016 11:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On October 08 2016 11:32 ticklishmusic wrote:
i cant believe its comments about a woman, however bad, that seem to have had the most impact on trump



It's ironic considering Hillary has gotten more hate for being cheated on than Trump has gotten for cheating on his wives. I guess after the hundredth sexist comment or action by Trump, people have had enough.





words out of my mouth


Sums me up, too.
Newsflash: Donald Trump, who I still don't entirely believe is actually a nominated candidate for President, is a definitively vile person. The word, "vile", was created for Donald Trump. "Vile" doesn't get any simpler or plainer. It doesn't.

If you didn't recognize it months ago, then you're pretty much hopeless.

My counter to that is that what a person says in public and what they say in private are two very different things. Trump for all I know could have been saying those things just to attract attention and get votes without ever truly believing them. Still bad, but not necessarily reflective of his true character (although a person that says the kinds of things he did in public is more than likely to have some quite concerning personality defects). But given that his is how he acts in private as well, it almost definitely confirms that he's seriously fucked in more ways than one. But, I think this might be one of the last times I try to rationalize his actions, I'm glad this ride is almost over
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45348 Posts
October 08 2016 05:28 GMT
#107663
On October 08 2016 14:24 Chris1 wrote:
Just curious, the majority of you are of the "Fuck her right in the pussy." internet meme generation. Did you guys find that vile and disgusting and turn away, or did you watch it, knowing what it was about, laugh and enjoy it?

Well, Donald was just ahead of the curve with grab her right in the pussy years before, the mans a genius. Now get off your high horses.


Your posts and insults are awful. I don't know who you're assuming is laughing and enjoying the idea of sexual assault, but being disgusted by it is not a holier than thou high horse philosophy. It's called being a decent human being.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
October 08 2016 05:29 GMT
#107664
On October 08 2016 14:27 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2016 14:27 PassiveAce wrote:
memes are basically the same as sexual assault guys

I'm not a lawyer but talking to a reporter isn't sexual assault.


First of all be careful using the word reporter to describe Billy Bush. At least put some quotes around that.

But what he said he did and what he advocated one could get away with are certainly assault.
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Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
October 08 2016 05:29 GMT
#107665
On October 08 2016 14:24 Chris1 wrote:
Just curious, the majority of you are of the "Fuck her right in the pussy." internet meme generation. Did you guys find that vile and disgusting and turn away, or did you watch it, knowing what it was about, laugh and enjoy it?

Well, Donald was just ahead of the curve with grab her right in the pussy years before, the mans a genius. Now get off your high horses.

Speaking for myself, I don't find stuff like that funny at all. That one clip of that guy ambushing the reporter with that quote -- I seriously hated that guy. I fucking hate people like that.

I do imagine there are a lot of men who will not only excuse, but empathize with Trump's remarkably creepy behaviors And they no doubt are the people who think screaming obscenities at female reporters is hilarious.
Big water
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
October 08 2016 05:31 GMT
#107666
On October 08 2016 14:28 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2016 14:16 Leporello wrote:
On October 08 2016 11:44 ticklishmusic wrote:
On October 08 2016 11:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On October 08 2016 11:32 ticklishmusic wrote:
i cant believe its comments about a woman, however bad, that seem to have had the most impact on trump



It's ironic considering Hillary has gotten more hate for being cheated on than Trump has gotten for cheating on his wives. I guess after the hundredth sexist comment or action by Trump, people have had enough.


https://twitter.com/johnlegend/status/784584474851938304


words out of my mouth


Sums me up, too.
Newsflash: Donald Trump, who I still don't entirely believe is actually a nominated candidate for President, is a definitively vile person. The word, "vile", was created for Donald Trump. "Vile" doesn't get any simpler or plainer. It doesn't.

If you didn't recognize it months ago, then you're pretty much hopeless.

My counter to that is that what a person says in public and what they say in private are two very different things. Trump for all I know could have been saying those things just to attract attention and get votes without ever truly believing them. Still bad, but not necessarily reflective of his true character (although a person that says the kinds of things he did in public is more than likely to have some quite concerning personality defects). But given that his is how he acts in private as well, it almost definitely confirms that he's seriously fucked in more ways than one. But, I think this might be one of the last times I try to rationalize his actions, I'm glad this ride is almost over


I pray to God it's over.
Big water
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
October 08 2016 05:31 GMT
#107667
My boy Gary Johnson was ahead of the curve in jumping ship from the Republican Party, good for him, he has a bright political career ahead of him, I hope, provided he gets knowledge of affairs outside of America
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23713 Posts
October 08 2016 05:32 GMT
#107668


whoops.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
October 08 2016 05:33 GMT
#107669
On October 08 2016 14:32 GreenHorizons wrote:
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/784545882838622208

whoops.


You are so anti-Clinton that it's hard to take you seriously.

I can practically taste just how salty you still are from Bernie's loss.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23713 Posts
October 08 2016 05:37 GMT
#107670
On October 08 2016 14:33 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2016 14:32 GreenHorizons wrote:
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/784545882838622208

whoops.


You are so anti-Clinton that it's hard to take you seriously.

I can practically taste just how salty you still are from Bernie's loss.


I'm anti terrible government and Hillary supporters have been wholly blinded by Trump.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 08 2016 05:37 GMT
#107671
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23713 Posts
October 08 2016 05:53 GMT
#107672
So I think they give him till Sunday to pull it together (would take one hell of a performance) then they give him the ultimatum: Drop out peacefully and you get a golden parachute, or stay in and Republicans and Democrats team up to destroy you.

If he drops out, Pence steps in, and everyone comes out smelling like roses. Pence could actually win by being "not Hillary" and also "not Trump", and if he loses, Republicans blame a wacky 1 month election.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
October 08 2016 05:53 GMT
#107673
And its already confirmed that trump has acted on that stuff from his quote

Trump sexually assaulted a woman like he described, minus the grabbing

And GH please there is a huge difference between Clinton and Trump. Also nice misspelling from wikileaks there.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23713 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-08 05:58:36
October 08 2016 05:56 GMT
#107674
On October 08 2016 14:53 Jaaaaasper wrote:
And its already confirmed that trump has acted on that stuff from his quote

Trump sexually assaulted a woman like he described, minus the grabbing

And GH please there is a huge difference between Clinton and Trump. Also nice misspelling from wikileaks there.


Jasper, please, I'm very well aware. Also, what misspelling?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
October 08 2016 05:59 GMT
#107675
On October 08 2016 14:56 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2016 14:53 Jaaaaasper wrote:
And its already confirmed that trump has acted on that stuff from his quote

Trump sexually assaulted a woman like he described, minus the grabbing

And GH please there is a huge difference between Clinton and Trump. Also nice misspelling from wikileaks there.


Jasper, please, I'm very well aware.

Yeah I can get not being a huge hillary fan from your point of veiw, but, we've hit the point where its Hillary or Trump, and only one of them is even close to acceptable. Also Pence doesn't stand a chance against Hillary, hes both tied to trump and has all kinds of awful scandals of his own like basically creating a aids epidemic due to mismanagement and just awful governing. I've seen Hillary as the least bad canidate and the only one whose talked solid policy for a long time, at this point shes the only candidate who doesn't terrify me.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-08 06:06:24
October 08 2016 06:02 GMT
#107676
On October 08 2016 14:37 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2016 14:33 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On October 08 2016 14:32 GreenHorizons wrote:
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/784545882838622208

whoops.


You are so anti-Clinton that it's hard to take you seriously.

I can practically taste just how salty you still are from Bernie's loss.


I'm anti terrible government and Hillary supporters have been wholly blinded by Trump.


I'm salty, too.

It would've been a great thing for the world on many levels, and this was the perfect opportunity. Bernie could have really wiped away a lot of the bullshit that effects America's political discourse, especially when put in contrast to Trump's ego-driven empty campaign.

But, I find it hard to think about that at all when the GOP are actually trying to elect Trump. I'll hate on Hillary after she wins. Call me blinded, call me a Hillary supporter, I don't care.

And the WikiLeaks... Assange has turned out to be a really self-important grudge-keeper. I'm disappointed. This has turned out to just be another instance in a nauseatingly-long list of instances of people making exaggerated or false claim about Hillary Clinton. At this point, either prove she's a criminal... or just stop. Because for me, it's actually making me empathize with her. The best thing about her victory, for me, will be the spite of all the people who have spent decades demonizing this woman.

I've read so many of these "damning" e-mails and sound-bites that I'm supposed to be outraged by, the Podesta emails, her Wall Street speech,... and there's nothing there! Most of what I see actually just shows she's an extremely pragmatic individual who actually does want to do good things. I mean, I was expecting some real right-wing stuff or political-collusion from that Wall Street speech... and I would've been okay with it to a degree. But really... it's just a normal speech.

If anything, I've been pleasantly pleased by these things that WikiLeaks thinks should outrage me. If this is her "hidden secret", if this is her showing her inner right-wing side, then I'm totally good with voting for her.
Big water
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
October 08 2016 06:04 GMT
#107677
While Pence certainly does have the Not Hillary and Not Trump thing going for him he's also a terrible person who has put in some horrifying policy in his state. By virtue of not being Trump he's also not made of teflon. I'd say Hillary could sink him in less than 5 minutes with ease.
LiquidDota Staff
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18233 Posts
October 08 2016 06:13 GMT
#107678
On October 08 2016 14:16 Leporello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2016 11:44 ticklishmusic wrote:
On October 08 2016 11:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On October 08 2016 11:32 ticklishmusic wrote:
i cant believe its comments about a woman, however bad, that seem to have had the most impact on trump



It's ironic considering Hillary has gotten more hate for being cheated on than Trump has gotten for cheating on his wives. I guess after the hundredth sexist comment or action by Trump, people have had enough.


https://twitter.com/johnlegend/status/784584474851938304


words out of my mouth


Sums me up, too.
Newsflash: Donald Trump, who I still don't entirely believe is actually a nominated candidate for President, is a definitively vile person. The word, "vile", was created for Donald Trump. "Vile" doesn't get any simpler or plainer. It doesn't.

If you didn't recognize it months ago, then you're pretty much hopeless.


I believe the word you're looking for is deplorable. And most of us knew that months, if not years ago.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23713 Posts
October 08 2016 06:17 GMT
#107679
On October 08 2016 15:02 Leporello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2016 14:37 GreenHorizons wrote:
On October 08 2016 14:33 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On October 08 2016 14:32 GreenHorizons wrote:
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/784545882838622208

whoops.


You are so anti-Clinton that it's hard to take you seriously.

I can practically taste just how salty you still are from Bernie's loss.


I'm anti terrible government and Hillary supporters have been wholly blinded by Trump.


I'm salty, too.

It would've been a great thing for the world on many levels, and this was the perfect opportunity. Bernie could have really wiped away a lot of the bullshit that effects America's political discourse, especially when put in contrast to Trump's ego-driven empty campaign.

But, I find it hard to think about that at all when the GOP are actually trying to elect Trump. I'll hate on Hillary after she wins. Call me blinded, call me a Hillary supporter, I don't care.

And the WikiLeaks... Assange has turned out to be a really self-important grudge-keeper. I'm disappointed. This has turned out to just be another instance in a nauseatingly-long list of instances of people making exaggerated or false claim about Hillary Clinton. At this point, either prove she's a criminal... or just stop. Because for me, it's actually making me empathize with her. The best thing about her victory, for me, will be the spite of all the people who have spent decades demonizing this woman.

I've read so many of these "damning" e-mails and sound-bites that I'm supposed to be outraged by, the Podesta emails, her Wall Street speech,... and there's nothing there! Most of what I see actually just shows she's an extremely pragmatic individual who actually does want to do good things. I mean, I was expecting some real right-wing stuff or political-collusion from that Wall Street speech... and I would've been okay with it to a degree. But really... it's just a normal speech.

If anything, I've been pleasantly pleased by these things that WikiLeaks thinks should outrage me. If this is her "hidden secret", if this is her showing her inner right-wing side, then I'm totally good with voting for her.


Her Wall street speeches show more that she was lying through her teeth to the left than anything criminal. Unless of course we're to believe she's lying to them after giving her millions of dollars and not to us (like she showed she was doing the whole campaign).

A lot has been said about the lowering of the bar by Trump (and it's true), but Hillary has lowered the hell out of the bar on the left as well with little/no outcry from her supporters.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-08 06:21:13
October 08 2016 06:20 GMT
#107680
On October 08 2016 15:02 Leporello wrote:
If anything, I've been pleasantly pleased by these things that WikiLeaks thinks should outrage me. If this is her "hidden secret", if this is her showing her inner right-wing side, then I'm totally good with voting for her.

Wikileaks mostly fucked things up super hard by hyping everything up. If you make it look like what's coming is the worst thing in the world, then people will actually think pretty well of it when it's only "kind-of sort-of bad".
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