US Politics Mega-thread - Page 5375
Forum Index > Closed |
Read the rules in the OP before posting, please. In order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a re-read to refresh your memory! The vast majority of you are contributing in a healthy way, keep it up! NOTE: When providing a source, explain why you feel it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion if it's not obvious. Also take note that unsubstantiated tweets/posts meant only to rekindle old arguments can result in a mod action. | ||
BallinWitStalin
1177 Posts
| ||
Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
I do think there is a growing sense of anxiety and even anger in the country over the feeling that the game is rigged. And I never had that feeling when I was growing up. Never. I mean, were there really rich people, of course there were. My father loved to complain about big business and big government, but we had a solid middle class upbringing. We had good public schools. We had accessible health care. We had our little, you know, one-family house that, you know, he saved up his money, didn’t believe in mortgages. So I lived that. And now, obviously, I’m kind of far removed because the life I’ve lived and the economic, you know, fortunes that my husband and I now enjoy, but I haven’t forgotten it.” [Hillary Clinton Remarks at Goldman-Black Rock, 2/4/14] You just have to sort of figure out how to — getting back to that word, “balance” — how to balance the public and the private efforts that are necessary to be successful, politically, and that’s not just a comment about today. That, I think, has probably been true for all of our history, and if you saw the Spielberg movie, Lincoln, and how he was maneuvering and working to get the 13th Amendment passed, and he called one of my favorite predecessors, Secretary Seward, who had been the governor and senator from New York, ran against Lincoln for president, and he told Seward, I need your help to get this done. And Seward called some of his lobbyist friends who knew how to make a deal, and they just kept going at it. I mean, politics is like sausage being made. It is unsavory, and it always has been that way, but we usually end up where we need to be. But if everybody’s watching, you know, all of the back room discussions and the deals, you know, then people get a little nervous, to say the least. So, you need both a public and a private position. And finally, I think — I believe in evidence-based decision making. I want to know what the facts are. I mean, it’s like when you guys go into some kind of a deal, you know, are you going to do that development or not, are you going to do that renovation or not, you know, you look at the numbers. You try to figure out what’s going to work and what’s not going to work. [Clinton Speech For National Multi-Housing Council, 4/24/13] That was one of the reasons that I started traveling in February of ‘09, so people could, you know, literally yell at me for the United States and our banking system causing this everywhere. Now, that’s an oversimplification we know, but it was the conventional wisdom. And I think that there’s a lot that could have been avoided in terms of both misunderstanding and really politicizing what happened with greater transparency, with greater openness on all sides, you know, what happened, how did it happen, how do we prevent it from happening? You guys help us figure it out and let’s make sure that we do it right this time. And I think that everybody was desperately trying to fend off the worst effects institutionally, governmentally, and there just wasn’t that opportunity to try to sort this out, and that came later.” [Goldman Sachs AIMS Alternative Investments Symposium, 10/24/13] Some parts of the speech leaks. Welp I don't know what Assange is going for here but that doesn't even sound bad | ||
Yoav
United States1874 Posts
Nyxisto wrote: What would it theoretically take for the Conservatives to just ditch Trump? Like what theoretically needs to happen that makes them go "let's keep our dignity and ditch him". Does such a thing exist? I don't even understand Cruz and Ryan. These people have enough money and job opportunities anyway. Anti-abortion crowd will back him no matter what. Hillary has an uncompromising position on that, and they think that saving the lives of millions outweighs all other concerns. Cruz? He fucked up big time. People like me, nevermind actual serious conservatives (see this for a good example) were deeply impressed by his stand at the convention. Then he caved. He can now reasonably be attacked from every angle: making it harder for DJT to get elected and supporting the asshole. Ryan? He got dealt a shit hand and is playing it well. Like, so well I think it will be studied in PoliSci classes for years to come. He hesitated the right amount, then backed his nominee as he had to, always phrasing this support cautiously (and in terms of the negative... not HRC). Whenever Trump does something appalling, he denounces it. When Trump does stupid (but not outrageous) things, he ignores it and says he's too busy to take questions on every little thing. In every discussion he keeps coming back to policy, articulating that his ambition is to pass an agenda (and therefore, implicitly, not to back any particular candidate... whether Trump or himself). | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
| ||
Mohdoo
United States15398 Posts
On October 08 2016 10:40 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/784565832143736832 Wow. Feels like a very real possibility that there is no second debate. | ||
Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On October 08 2016 10:44 Mohdoo wrote: Wow. Feels like a very real possibility that there is no second debate. Thats a stretch. He is arrogant enough to believe that he can overcome anything so he of course believes he can overcome this. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
| ||
OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
| ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
| ||
TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On October 08 2016 10:37 Nyxisto wrote: + Show Spoiler + I do think there is a growing sense of anxiety and even anger in the country over the feeling that the game is rigged. And I never had that feeling when I was growing up. Never. I mean, were there really rich people, of course there were. My father loved to complain about big business and big government, but we had a solid middle class upbringing. We had good public schools. We had accessible health care. We had our little, you know, one-family house that, you know, he saved up his money, didn’t believe in mortgages. So I lived that. And now, obviously, I’m kind of far removed because the life I’ve lived and the economic, you know, fortunes that my husband and I now enjoy, but I haven’t forgotten it.” [Hillary Clinton Remarks at Goldman-Black Rock, 2/4/14] You just have to sort of figure out how to — getting back to that word, “balance” — how to balance the public and the private efforts that are necessary to be successful, politically, and that’s not just a comment about today. That, I think, has probably been true for all of our history, and if you saw the Spielberg movie, Lincoln, and how he was maneuvering and working to get the 13th Amendment passed, and he called one of my favorite predecessors, Secretary Seward, who had been the governor and senator from New York, ran against Lincoln for president, and he told Seward, I need your help to get this done. And Seward called some of his lobbyist friends who knew how to make a deal, and they just kept going at it. I mean, politics is like sausage being made. It is unsavory, and it always has been that way, but we usually end up where we need to be. But if everybody’s watching, you know, all of the back room discussions and the deals, you know, then people get a little nervous, to say the least. So, you need both a public and a private position. And finally, I think — I believe in evidence-based decision making. I want to know what the facts are. I mean, it’s like when you guys go into some kind of a deal, you know, are you going to do that development or not, are you going to do that renovation or not, you know, you look at the numbers. You try to figure out what’s going to work and what’s not going to work. [Clinton Speech For National Multi-Housing Council, 4/24/13] That was one of the reasons that I started traveling in February of ‘09, so people could, you know, literally yell at me for the United States and our banking system causing this everywhere. Now, that’s an oversimplification we know, but it was the conventional wisdom. And I think that there’s a lot that could have been avoided in terms of both misunderstanding and really politicizing what happened with greater transparency, with greater openness on all sides, you know, what happened, how did it happen, how do we prevent it from happening? You guys help us figure it out and let’s make sure that we do it right this time. And I think that everybody was desperately trying to fend off the worst effects institutionally, governmentally, and there just wasn’t that opportunity to try to sort this out, and that came later.” [Goldman Sachs AIMS Alternative Investments Symposium, 10/24/13] Some parts of the speech leaks. Welp I don't know what Assange is going for here but that doesn't even sound bad There's three possibilities: 1) Assange is a big tease and there are actually a few bad transcripts he's building suspense for 2) Assange drastically miscalculated how people react to massive speech dumps 3) Assange is just a con man | ||
Mohdoo
United States15398 Posts
On October 08 2016 10:46 Adreme wrote: Thats a stretch. He is arrogant enough to believe that he can overcome anything so he of course believes he can overcome this. Also consider this: having Donald Trump on stage, representing the party 2 fucking days after this comes out. What impact does that have in thr party and the image of that party? Reince Priebus is perhaps at a point right now where the Republican party has a better chance at 2020 by just dumping Trump and cleaning up the party. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On October 08 2016 10:50 Mohdoo wrote: Also consider this: having Donald Trump on stage, representing the party 2 fucking days after this comes out. What impact does that have in thr party and the image of that party? Reince Priebus is perhaps at a point right now where the Republican party has a better chance at 2020 by just dumping Trump and cleaning up the party. Define clean the party. Everyone that ran in the primary with exception of Kasich, has endorsed him. Paul Ryan has endorsed him and even stood by for his past remarks as has Preibus. | ||
Ravianna26
United States44 Posts
User was banned for this post. | ||
OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
| ||
Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On October 08 2016 10:58 Ravianna26 wrote: The Republicans would only dump Trump if the DNC dumped Crooked Hillary Crooked Hillary is the most evil politician in America so only the morally bankrupt would vote for her. Please tell me this is parody. | ||
zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On October 08 2016 10:58 Ravianna26 wrote: The Republicans would only dump Trump if the DNC dumped Crooked Hillary Crooked Hillary is the most evil politician in America so only the morally bankrupt would vote for her. that's quite unsound, and doesn't make at all sense given the context of the current discussion. aqua -> no, i'ts not parody; it fits that poster's history accurately. | ||
Mohdoo
United States15398 Posts
It's not. He shows up every now and then and says similar thing. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
| ||
Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
Stuff like this : As someone who always saw Trump for the clown he is I find this all highly entertaining. | ||
Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On October 08 2016 11:03 Kickstart wrote: Lots of speculation going on about if Trump drops out or just how much GOP will push him to drop out. At this point they can't force him out, just convince him to drop. Stuff like this : https://twitter.com/SenatorKirk/status/784555457255964672 As someone who always saw Trump for the clown he is I find this all highly entertaining. See this for what it is. This is someone who is losing in a blue state and is hoping that this can prop him up and get him so votes by being the champion of this movement. If this were not his election year I highly doubt you would hear this. In fact most of the republicans expressing outrage publicly (almost all) are in tight re election campaigns. | ||
| ||