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On October 08 2016 08:10 CannonsNCarriers wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2016 08:07 oBlade wrote:On October 08 2016 07:46 KwarK wrote:On October 08 2016 07:17 Chris1 wrote:
Just so you all remember, bill clinton got a blow job while in the white house, but who cares about that. Bill isn't a candidate. Neither was the Donald 10 years ago. Bill's gift to politics was lowering the bar, showing everyone that politicians are also people and we don't have to care about things that don't matter with respect to that. This is some of your worst false equivalence. Bill isn't a candidate now or in 2005. But Trump is the Republican nominee right now. What Trump said when he was 60 years old matters. If you wanted to make some kind of useless deflection via equivalence here, you would need to go back to the late 80s and find Bill saying something bad that was ignored prior to his presidential run in 1992.
If you would have voted for Bush, Dole, or Perot over Clinton because of the knowledge you have in hindsight, you don't understand what the position of president is for in the USA. It's not to provide the electorate with a witch hunting hobby.
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On October 08 2016 08:09 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2016 08:08 Plansix wrote:On October 08 2016 08:07 oBlade wrote:On October 08 2016 07:46 KwarK wrote:On October 08 2016 07:17 Chris1 wrote:
Just so you all remember, bill clinton got a blow job while in the white house, but who cares about that. Bill isn't a candidate. Neither was the Donald 10 years ago. Bill's gift to politics was lowering the bar, showing everyone that politicians are also people and we don't have to care about things that don't matter with respect to that. So you think sexual assault is ok? You may be the single worst poster in five thousand pages of this thread.
You sure as hell don't get to call anyone out on the quality of their posting.
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Republican primary voters shat diarrhea all over their bed when they nominated Trump.
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The downticket rumblings are gonna get louder 
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I could imagine someone saying this comment is a little
deplorable.
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But remember, Trump was best suited to beat Hillary Clinton. lol
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On October 08 2016 08:18 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2016 08:10 CannonsNCarriers wrote:On October 08 2016 08:07 oBlade wrote:On October 08 2016 07:46 KwarK wrote:On October 08 2016 07:17 Chris1 wrote:
Just so you all remember, bill clinton got a blow job while in the white house, but who cares about that. Bill isn't a candidate. Neither was the Donald 10 years ago. Bill's gift to politics was lowering the bar, showing everyone that politicians are also people and we don't have to care about things that don't matter with respect to that. This is some of your worst false equivalence. Bill isn't a candidate now or in 2005. But Trump is the Republican nominee right now. What Trump said when he was 60 years old matters. If you wanted to make some kind of useless deflection via equivalence here, you would need to go back to the late 80s and find Bill saying something bad that was ignored prior to his presidential run in 1992. If you would have voted for Bush, Dole, or Perot over Clinton because of the knowledge you have in hindsight, you don't understand what the position of president is for in the USA. It's not to provide the electorate with a witch hunting hobby.
I don't think anyone expects you or other people in this thread to say 'this is it' after one more such reveal about Trump in a string of a hundred.
But don't be so quick to dismiss it, this plays incredibly poorly with women and the deeply religious, neither of which Trump can afford to lose more of. And they don't even have to flock to Clinton, simply a minor drop in turnout for Trump's voters from these categories would hurt a lot.
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"In what may be a crucial election for leadership of this country later this year, we have seen a full-frontal attack — disguised as courageous taboo-busting — on some fundamental, hard-won tenets of decency and social cohesion that have come to be accepted by American society."
- Zeid Ra'ad al-Hussein, U.N. high commissioner for human rights, 4/17/16
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On October 08 2016 08:18 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2016 08:10 CannonsNCarriers wrote:On October 08 2016 08:07 oBlade wrote:On October 08 2016 07:46 KwarK wrote:On October 08 2016 07:17 Chris1 wrote:
Just so you all remember, bill clinton got a blow job while in the white house, but who cares about that. Bill isn't a candidate. Neither was the Donald 10 years ago. Bill's gift to politics was lowering the bar, showing everyone that politicians are also people and we don't have to care about things that don't matter with respect to that. This is some of your worst false equivalence. Bill isn't a candidate now or in 2005. But Trump is the Republican nominee right now. What Trump said when he was 60 years old matters. If you wanted to make some kind of useless deflection via equivalence here, you would need to go back to the late 80s and find Bill saying something bad that was ignored prior to his presidential run in 1992. If you would have voted for Bush, Dole, or Perot over Clinton because of the knowledge you have in hindsight, you don't understand what the position of president is for in the USA. It's not to provide the electorate with a witch hunting hobby.
Dog really? You ever heard of the Bill Clinton impeachment? How about the 8 Benghazi committees?
How about this, defend what Trump says on the merits. Don't give us nonsense equivalencies that fail because the dates don't work. "The other guy is just as bad" isn't a defense, it is a deflection and you keep failing to show the other guy is just as bad. It is time for you to stick up for Trump. If you plan to vote for him, then you should be able to defend what he says.
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On October 08 2016 08:30 Introvert wrote:
But remember, Trump was best suited to beat Hillary Clinton. lol
I think they thought of beating her literally and grabbing her you know.. by her wherever
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On October 08 2016 08:33 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2016 08:18 oBlade wrote:On October 08 2016 08:10 CannonsNCarriers wrote:On October 08 2016 08:07 oBlade wrote:On October 08 2016 07:46 KwarK wrote:On October 08 2016 07:17 Chris1 wrote:
Just so you all remember, bill clinton got a blow job while in the white house, but who cares about that. Bill isn't a candidate. Neither was the Donald 10 years ago. Bill's gift to politics was lowering the bar, showing everyone that politicians are also people and we don't have to care about things that don't matter with respect to that. This is some of your worst false equivalence. Bill isn't a candidate now or in 2005. But Trump is the Republican nominee right now. What Trump said when he was 60 years old matters. If you wanted to make some kind of useless deflection via equivalence here, you would need to go back to the late 80s and find Bill saying something bad that was ignored prior to his presidential run in 1992. If you would have voted for Bush, Dole, or Perot over Clinton because of the knowledge you have in hindsight, you don't understand what the position of president is for in the USA. It's not to provide the electorate with a witch hunting hobby. I don't think anyone expects you or other people in this thread to say 'this is it' after one more such reveal about Trump in a string of a hundred. But don't be so quick to dismiss it, this plays incredibly poorly with women and the deeply religious, neither of which Trump can afford to lose more of. And they don't even have to flock to Clinton, simply a minor drop in turnout for Trump's voters from these categories would hurt a lot.
There's no doubt things like this affect polling, but the scandal business is terrible for people everywhere trying to have a working government.
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Such a shame that both Jill Stein and Gary Johnson are such weak & terrible candidates. We could have actually seen a strong 3rd party vote this year.
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On October 08 2016 08:52 Logo wrote:
Such a shame that both Jill Stein and Gary Johnson are such weak & terrible candidates. We could have actually seen a strong 3rd party vote this year.
somewhat inevitable really; as 3rd parties tend to get coopted before long.
The system just can't support strong 3rd parties, so you get fringe guys + a few exceptions.
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On October 08 2016 08:49 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2016 08:33 Dan HH wrote:On October 08 2016 08:18 oBlade wrote:On October 08 2016 08:10 CannonsNCarriers wrote:On October 08 2016 08:07 oBlade wrote:On October 08 2016 07:46 KwarK wrote:On October 08 2016 07:17 Chris1 wrote:
Just so you all remember, bill clinton got a blow job while in the white house, but who cares about that. Bill isn't a candidate. Neither was the Donald 10 years ago. Bill's gift to politics was lowering the bar, showing everyone that politicians are also people and we don't have to care about things that don't matter with respect to that. This is some of your worst false equivalence. Bill isn't a candidate now or in 2005. But Trump is the Republican nominee right now. What Trump said when he was 60 years old matters. If you wanted to make some kind of useless deflection via equivalence here, you would need to go back to the late 80s and find Bill saying something bad that was ignored prior to his presidential run in 1992. If you would have voted for Bush, Dole, or Perot over Clinton because of the knowledge you have in hindsight, you don't understand what the position of president is for in the USA. It's not to provide the electorate with a witch hunting hobby. I don't think anyone expects you or other people in this thread to say 'this is it' after one more such reveal about Trump in a string of a hundred. But don't be so quick to dismiss it, this plays incredibly poorly with women and the deeply religious, neither of which Trump can afford to lose more of. And they don't even have to flock to Clinton, simply a minor drop in turnout for Trump's voters from these categories would hurt a lot. There's no doubt things like this affect polling, but the scandal business is terrible for people everywhere trying to have a working government.
So we should ignore Trump advocating that sexual assault is fine if you are famous? Because scandles are bad, except when they are about hiliary.
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Just a day after Donald Trump officially became the Republican presidential nominee, a woman broke her silence on allegations that he sexually assaulted her. In an interview with the Guardian published today, Jill Harth detailed how Trump made numerous sexual advances toward her in 1993, culminating when she says he cornered and groped her in a bedroom. Harth attempted to press charges in 1997 but withdrew her lawsuit and has since remained quiet about the case. She says that since her allegations resurfaced in a May New York Times article about Trump's treatment of women, the Trump campaign has continuously pressured her to recant her account.
Harth says she first met Trump in 1992 during a business presentation, when she was working with the American Dream beauty pageant festival. Harth was with her romantic partner, George Houraney, at the time, but Harth says that did not deter Trump from sexually pursuing her. Trump "stared at her" throughout her meeting, according to Harth, and then asked Houraney: "Are you sleeping with her or what?" When Houraney said yes, Trump asked if it was "for the weekend or what?”
In Harth's 1997 lawsuit, she describes several instances in which Trump allegedly harassed her. In one instance, Harth says Trump groped her under the table during a dinner with beauty pageant contestants. Then in 1993, Harth says, Trump cornered her in a bedroom in his Florida mansion during a business visit, an incident described in the lawsuit as an "attempted 'rape'." Harth tells the Guardian:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/07/donald-trump-sexual-assault-allegations-breaks-silence
Sounds familiar to what we heard today.
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