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Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
October 05 2016 01:36 GMT
#106541
On October 05 2016 10:35 Mohdoo wrote:
Just got home. Anything good so far? How are they each doing?

I think both sides are happy with their guy thus far. Except for Kaine's constant interrupting, which looks terrible for him.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
October 05 2016 01:36 GMT
#106542
On October 05 2016 10:34 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 10:33 Introvert wrote:
On October 05 2016 10:32 xDaunt wrote:
I'm not even sure why they're asking about law enforcement. It's not a federal issue.


One of the most frustrating thing is that the GOP never points this out. Neither Trump nor Pence now.

I expect it from Democrats.


It's a politicized issue that both parties make hay from. Doesn't make it any less stupid.

agreed; there's very little federal involvement, so little to be done there.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
October 05 2016 01:37 GMT
#106543
On October 05 2016 10:35 Mohdoo wrote:
Just got home. Anything good so far? How are they each doing?

Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 10:34 Slaughter wrote:
Pence lol I can see you really don't care about winning any minority votes....holy shit straight up saying institutional racism in police doesn't exist and giving the police a word hand job.

Kaine a much better response.


Lmao this was the first thing I heard when I tuned in. Who in the fuck are you trying to get to vote for you by saying that? Why go on the offensive like that?


Moderator Bias!
Question.?
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 01:37:30
October 05 2016 01:37 GMT
#106544
On October 05 2016 10:33 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 10:32 xDaunt wrote:
I'm not even sure why they're asking about law enforcement. It's not a federal issue.


One of the most frustrating thing is that the GOP never points this out. Neither Trump nor Pence now.

I expect it from Democrats.


States' rights are dead on the national stage pretty much for better or for worse. Too much nuance involved in the idea for it to be discussed in the current climate.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 01:38:34
October 05 2016 01:37 GMT
#106545
On October 05 2016 10:36 Kickstart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 10:35 Mohdoo wrote:
Just got home. Anything good so far? How are they each doing?

I think both sides are happy with their guy thus far. Except for Kaine's constant interrupting, which looks terrible for him.


Pence started doing it too now lol.


Pence selling this "everyone hating on the poor poor police" crap, not a word about the other side just "but our police tho".
Never Knows Best.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
October 05 2016 01:38 GMT
#106546
On October 05 2016 10:37 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 10:35 Mohdoo wrote:
Just got home. Anything good so far? How are they each doing?

On October 05 2016 10:34 Slaughter wrote:
Pence lol I can see you really don't care about winning any minority votes....holy shit straight up saying institutional racism in police doesn't exist and giving the police a word hand job.

Kaine a much better response.


Lmao this was the first thing I heard when I tuned in. Who in the fuck are you trying to get to vote for you by saying that? Why go on the offensive like that?


Moderator Bias!

More like moderator incompetence. Don't let them interrupt like that.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
October 05 2016 01:38 GMT
#106547
The only thing I've gained from this is that there's a reason both of these men aren't at the top of the ticket.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23221 Posts
October 05 2016 01:39 GMT
#106548
On October 05 2016 10:31 Kickstart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 10:26 CorsairHero wrote:
On October 05 2016 10:25 Kickstart wrote:
Trump and Pence getting slaughtered over Trump's taxes.

what's there to be slaughtered about
he had a bad year and crystallized his losses

That not paying taxes makes him smart.
That his losses (potentially, since we don't know without him releasing his tax info) allow him to not pay taxes for several years to come.
That he lost nearly $1B in the casino industry.

Of course his supporters will explain how it was all legal and how it is for businesses to incur loses and continue to operate. My father owned his own business, at one point it was the 3rd largest residential roofing company in our state. He then did a job for a large hotel chain, who, like Trump, didn't pay any of the people they contracted work out to. After they strung him along to complete the job and got all the work out of him, he got nothing. Point being, what is 'legal' and what is morally correct are not always the same.


My question is do people think Democrats just found out about this now? They didn't care when he did it, just when he was in the way of them being in the white house.

This type of stuff has actually gotten worse under Obama.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/tax-advantages-landlords-married-real-estate-professionals.html
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
October 05 2016 01:39 GMT
#106549
Kaine forgot Trump U and the Trump foundation
© Current year.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
October 05 2016 01:39 GMT
#106550
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 01:41:07
October 05 2016 01:40 GMT
#106551
On October 05 2016 10:32 xDaunt wrote:
I'm not even sure why they're asking about law enforcement. It's not a federal issue.


As a non American, if a president present a certain general policy even if it is not supported by law, like "we need more community policing" is it generally follow by the states or at least the states that are governs by his party?

Or does the state feel independent enough to just do whatever they want?
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
October 05 2016 01:40 GMT
#106552
Once again i'll say...Pence just said an african-american police officer cannot possibly be biased against african-americans.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23221 Posts
October 05 2016 01:40 GMT
#106553
On October 05 2016 10:36 Saryph wrote:
Did Pence really just say that there is no way african-american police officers could have bias against african-americans?


This logic has been seen here multiple times. I think it may have finally gotten through to most everyone though.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 01:41:56
October 05 2016 01:41 GMT
#106554
On October 05 2016 10:40 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 10:32 xDaunt wrote:
I'm not even sure why they're asking about law enforcement. It's not a federal issue.


As a non American, if a president present a certain general policy even if it is not supported by law, like "we need more community policing" is it generally follow by the states or at least the states that are governs by his party?

Or does the state feel independent enough to just whatever they want?


In theory there's literally no way for the president to do that-he doesn't have the executive authority. If the national legislature did grant him the authority and he tried to do it, the states could sue like they did regarding the Affordable Care Act.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
October 05 2016 01:41 GMT
#106555
On October 05 2016 10:38 Stratos_speAr wrote:
The only thing I've gained from this is that there's a reason both of these men aren't at the top of the ticket.

They shouldn't be on the ticket at all.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
October 05 2016 01:42 GMT
#106556
On October 05 2016 10:39 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 10:31 Kickstart wrote:
On October 05 2016 10:26 CorsairHero wrote:
On October 05 2016 10:25 Kickstart wrote:
Trump and Pence getting slaughtered over Trump's taxes.

what's there to be slaughtered about
he had a bad year and crystallized his losses

That not paying taxes makes him smart.
That his losses (potentially, since we don't know without him releasing his tax info) allow him to not pay taxes for several years to come.
That he lost nearly $1B in the casino industry.

Of course his supporters will explain how it was all legal and how it is for businesses to incur loses and continue to operate. My father owned his own business, at one point it was the 3rd largest residential roofing company in our state. He then did a job for a large hotel chain, who, like Trump, didn't pay any of the people they contracted work out to. After they strung him along to complete the job and got all the work out of him, he got nothing. Point being, what is 'legal' and what is morally correct are not always the same.


My question is do people think Democrats just found out about this now? They didn't care when he did it, just when he was in the way of them being in the white house.

This type of stuff has actually gotten worse under Obama.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/tax-advantages-landlords-married-real-estate-professionals.html

Frankly neither party has done enough to change it. You are right to be upset with the left though, because traditionally it would be a liberal principle to push to remove such loopholes. I don't think anyone is claiming that anyone just now found out that these things happen.
Netscape9
Profile Joined March 2015
United States139 Posts
October 05 2016 01:42 GMT
#106557
Just got home and missed the first half hour or so of the debate. It sounds like both are very awkward with public speaking. Did I miss anything major?
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 05 2016 01:43 GMT
#106558
On October 05 2016 10:40 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 10:32 xDaunt wrote:
I'm not even sure why they're asking about law enforcement. It's not a federal issue.


As a non American, if a president present a certain general policy even if it is not supported by law, like "we need more community policing" is it generally follow by the states or at least the states that are governs by his party?

Or does the state feel independent enough to just do whatever they want?


By Constitutional law, general policing is left to the states.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
October 05 2016 01:43 GMT
#106559
Yeah, this moderator is a hack.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-05 01:45:04
October 05 2016 01:43 GMT
#106560
The McCain thing should really be brought up more often. That should be hitting hard

oh my god Kaine, shut up when it's not your time... why is he throwing this away when he looks so much better on issues. No need to interrupt like that
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