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On October 03 2016 08:52 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 08:23 KwarK wrote:
Out of curiousity bio, now you've heard about the incident in question, does that make you think he may be racist? there is a chance he may be racist. I hope since it was so long ago that he isn't now outside of the "implicit bias" that everyone already has.
Do you not think that if he has definitely done really racist things in the past and has since made a string of highly questionable "that sounds racist but let's not make judgement yet" statements that might be seen as a pattern? Because sure, if he's spent the last 20 years being above reproach you could argue that we can't conclude anything from the fact that he discriminated against "colored" people in housing. But I think there is more evidence for the opposite, that it is just who he is and what he does.
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On October 03 2016 08:38 Nevuk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I'm pretty convinced that a large reason of the opposition to Hillary Clinton is rooted in insecure sexism. There's really no other way to explain people claiming low testosterone levels are the only reason for male Clinton supporters. The implicit idea pretty clearly is that someone has to be "not male" in some way to support a Clinton presidency.
Twitter will be the end of us. I can't understand how NBC news would think this text is an appropriate description of the attached story. Most people who use twitter don't bother to click through.
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On October 03 2016 08:57 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 08:27 TheDwf wrote:On October 03 2016 08:23 KwarK wrote:
Out of curiousity bio, now you've heard about the incident in question, does that make you think he may be racist? If “illegal Mexican migrants are rapist” and “ban any Muslim immigration” were not enough, I doubt it will. Oh, and I forgot Obama's citizenship stuff... "illegal mexican migrants are rapist" --> they commit crime at a much higher rate than everyone else, they aren't mexicos best. Hes right about that, as usual says it in his over the top brash language. Banning Muslim immigration is extreme but he changed it to based on countries with predominantly backward ideas and high rates of terrorism, completely justified and within the power of a president. Obama's citizenship was in question by not only trump, he championed the shit out of it though. He also did something similar with Cruz, so I'm not sure if it was because Obama is black that it was done.
Actually they commit violent crime at a lower rate, probably because they're illegal and need to stay under the radar. Did you just assume they do it more?
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Clickbait headlines have been ruining internet media since before Twitter was a thing.
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On October 03 2016 09:08 TheYango wrote:
Clickbait headlines have been ruining internet media since before Twitter was a thing.
Headlines have always been terrible. Its just that print media only allowed for at max 2 a day from a newspaper. Now we get unlimited shit.
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On October 03 2016 08:58 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 08:52 biology]major wrote:On October 03 2016 08:23 KwarK wrote:
Out of curiousity bio, now you've heard about the incident in question, does that make you think he may be racist? there is a chance he may be racist. I hope since it was so long ago that he isn't now outside of the "implicit bias" that everyone already has. Do you not think that if he has definitely done really racist things in the past and has since made a string of highly questionable "that sounds racist but let's not make judgement yet" statements that might be seen as a pattern? Because sure, if he's spent the last 20 years being above reproach you could argue that we can't conclude anything from the fact that he discriminated against "colored" people in housing. But I think there is more evidence for the opposite, that it is just who he is and what he does.
It's possible, but to definitively know if Trump is a racist, I'd have to say you either have to be a close friend of his or be his therapist/psychiatrist. We don't have access to that, and given he has had numerous people who know him completely reject that notion (even black people), I'm gonna put on my trump goggles and hope he isn't racist. This reminds me of how I tried to label Clinton a sociopath, it's possible, but you'd have to know her or be her shrink to really know.
Question for you, when you follow the money on Clinton's past dealings, does nothing you see there worry you? Do you think Clinton sold favors to people using the state department and CF? Do you think there is an insignificant chance that DOJ will protect a democratic nominee in the most pivotal point of an election?
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On October 03 2016 09:15 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 09:08 TheYango wrote:
Clickbait headlines have been ruining internet media since before Twitter was a thing. Headlines have always been terrible. Its just that print media only allowed for at max 2 a day from a newspaper. Now we get unlimited shit.
Print media also meant that only people who were actually buying the newspaper really paid any attention to the headline.
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On October 03 2016 09:07 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 08:57 biology]major wrote:On October 03 2016 08:27 TheDwf wrote:On October 03 2016 08:23 KwarK wrote:
Out of curiousity bio, now you've heard about the incident in question, does that make you think he may be racist? If “illegal Mexican migrants are rapist” and “ban any Muslim immigration” were not enough, I doubt it will. Oh, and I forgot Obama's citizenship stuff... "illegal mexican migrants are rapist" --> they commit crime at a much higher rate than everyone else, they aren't mexicos best. Hes right about that, as usual says it in his over the top brash language. Banning Muslim immigration is extreme but he changed it to based on countries with predominantly backward ideas and high rates of terrorism, completely justified and within the power of a president. Obama's citizenship was in question by not only trump, he championed the shit out of it though. He also did something similar with Cruz, so I'm not sure if it was because Obama is black that it was done. Actually they commit violent crime at a lower rate, probably because they're illegal and need to stay under the radar. Did you just assume they do it more?
just remember someone posting stats about it a while back
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On October 03 2016 09:16 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 08:58 KwarK wrote:On October 03 2016 08:52 biology]major wrote:On October 03 2016 08:23 KwarK wrote:
Out of curiousity bio, now you've heard about the incident in question, does that make you think he may be racist? there is a chance he may be racist. I hope since it was so long ago that he isn't now outside of the "implicit bias" that everyone already has. Do you not think that if he has definitely done really racist things in the past and has since made a string of highly questionable "that sounds racist but let's not make judgement yet" statements that might be seen as a pattern? Because sure, if he's spent the last 20 years being above reproach you could argue that we can't conclude anything from the fact that he discriminated against "colored" people in housing. But I think there is more evidence for the opposite, that it is just who he is and what he does. It's possible, but to definitively know if Trump is a racist, I'd have to say you either have to be a close friend of his or be his therapist/psychiatrist. We don't have access to that, and given he has had numerous people who know him completely reject that notion (even black people), I'm gonna put on my trump goggles and hope he isn't racist. This reminds me of how I tried to label Clinton a sociopath, it's possible, but you'd have to know her or be her shrink to really know. Question for you, when you follow the money on Clinton's past dealings, does nothing you see there worry you? Do you think Clinton sold favors to people using the state department and CF? Do you think there is an insignificant chance that DOJ will protect a democratic nominee in the most pivotal point of an election?
there's a bit of a difference there; in that the criteria you used for even considering whether clinton was a sociopath were likely somewhat incorrect. especially considering the relation between several useful traits for high level positions and sociopathic traits.
Some things have stronger evidence than others.
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Giuliani Says Trump Is Better for the US 'Than a Woman
WASHINGTON — Did Rudy Giuliani really mean to say Donald Trump would make a better president than Hillary Clinton because he's a man? And that "everybody" cheats on their spouse?
The former New York mayor was responding to leaked tax documents obtained by The New York Times that show Trump in 1995 declared such a massive loss in income that he could have legally avoided paying federal income taxes for up to 18 years.
When asked about the report, Giuliani told ABC's "This Week" that Trump was a "genius" when it came to tax laws, unlike Clinton who was investigated by the FBI for using a private email server while leading the State Department.
"Don't you think a man who has this kind of economic genius is a lot better for the United States than a woman, and the only thing she's ever produced is a lot of work for the FBI checking out her emails?" he asked.
In a separate interview on NBC's "Meet the Press," Giuliani was asked whether it was fair for him to criticize Hillary Clinton's handling of her husband's alleged affairs when Giuliani himself had dealt with his "own infidelity charge." Giuliani, who has been married three times, was accused of cheating on his second spouse.
"Well, everybody does. And I'm Roman Catholic, and I confess those things to my priest," he said
A phone call and email to Giuliani's staff asking if he would like to elaborate were not immediately returned
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/10/02/us/politics/ap-us-campaign-2016-giuliani.html
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colombian peace deal just failed to pass.
...this makes me worry about the election a bit more
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On October 03 2016 10:17 ticklishmusic wrote:
colombian peace deal just failed to pass.
...this makes me worry about the election a bit more
To put some context, the deal failed because it involved pardoning the terrorist group, granting them political power, funding and overriding the Colombian constitution.
I believe FARC members unconditional surrender is the "peace deal" that should happen; they should face trial for their crimes. Colombia's last president cornered them close to full defeat, that's why they started these negotiations in the first place.
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It was pretty dang close aparently. Like inside of 1%. You'd think they'd go for a recount at that point just to end the war finally.
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On October 03 2016 08:33 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 08:30 oBlade wrote:On October 03 2016 08:18 LegalLord wrote:
The Republican Party itself is a pretty significant contradiction in that the modern party goals require a lot of lying to appeal to its voters. It is not lost on me that while I agree with a lot of their principles and policy suggestions, the party lies too much and is a con job. I'm interested in hearing xDaunt's view on the matter when he finally has the time to make the post I asked for. With the left on top there's very few marginal changes the Republican party can make to redefine itself without taking a short term loss. So there's no incentive to do anything but start over, which is Trump. Trump is not restarting, it is the final form of the southern strategy they adopted decades ago. Gone are the pretenses of attempting to attract minority voters and it just about appealing to that base they cultivated since Nixon.
Here's to transforming into a conservative party that shares my values. But Clinton is funnily enough the politician that most closely matches my values that the US has probably ever produced. Shame it came in a body utterly devoid of charisma and salesmanship.
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For those who have not read it, the Washington Post did a in depth look into one Trump supporter.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/finally-someone-who-thinks-like-me/2016/10/01/c9b6f334-7f68-11e6-9070-5c4905bf40dc_story.html?postshare=3601475411528425&tid=ss_fb
It is both sad and terrifying. You can see how government and the US has totally failed these people in the last 15 years and why they have turned to a man that is just going to let them down again. And now they blame everyone else, but mostly the black man that is in the white house.
She was a 52-year-old woman who had worked 20 years for the railroad, had once been a Democrat and was now a Republican, and counted herself among the growing swath of people who occupied the fringes of American politics but were increasingly becoming part of the mainstream. Like millions of others, she believed that President Obama was a Muslim. And like so many she had gotten to know online through social media, she also believed that he was likely gay, that Michelle Obama could be a man, and that the Obama children were possibly kidnapped from a family now searching for them.
“So beautiful,” Melanie said as Ivanka Trump walked onto the convention stage to introduce her father, and soon the soaring score of the movie “Air Force One” was blasting through the TV. Melanie sat up straighter. This is what she had been waiting for.
“Here comes Big Daddy,” she said, clapping. “The Donald. Big Daddy.”
Kevin was snoring.
“Here he is, babe,” she said. “Donald’s here, babe.”
Trump walked onto the stage, chanting “U-S-A! U-S-A!”
“That’s right, Donald — USA, baby,” Melanie said to the Republican nominee for president, who began his speech by marveling at all the Americans who had gotten him here.
"she believed that President Obama was a Muslim. And like so many she had gotten to know online through social media, she also believed that he was likely gay, that Michelle Obama could be a man, and that the Obama children were possibly kidnapped from a family now searching for them."
“Oh, look,” she said, reading a headline. “‘A West Virginia member of the House of Delegates says Hillary Clinton should be tried for treason, murder and crimes against the U.S. Constitution and then hung on the Mall in Washington, D.C.’ ”
She scrolled.
“I want to find out if he’s going to the nut house because of it,” she said.
She lit a cigarette and squinted at the screen.
“Look at this,” she said, pointing to a photo of Michelle Obama with a caption suggesting she is a man. “It’s everywhere.”
And then she began explaining, step by step, how she had come to believe that the first lady might actually be a man named Michael.
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On October 03 2016 12:01 Plansix wrote:
And now they blame everyone else, but mostly the black man that is in the white house.
Which one, Barack or Michael?
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On October 03 2016 12:11 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 12:01 Plansix wrote:
And now they blame everyone else, but mostly the black man that is in the white house.
Which one, Barack or Michael?
Both. And their stolen children. Seriously the lofty goal of 100% voter turn out is over rated.
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Why were they interested in the PoV of a crazy person?
I mean, there's plenty of people who support trump with fewer signs of clinical insanity; so it can't be about representative trump supporter-ness.
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On October 03 2016 12:13 zlefin wrote:
Why were they interested in the PoV of a crazy person?
I mean, there's plenty of people who support trump with fewer signs of clinical insanity; so it can't be about representative trump supporter-ness.
So people like Plansix can say that is the average Trump supporter, and wallow further in their narrative.
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Because she is the type of person that Trump's style of populism and celebrity draws out. Trump believes some of the bullshit she believes. He bought into the birther non-sense and I doubt it really ends with that.
On October 03 2016 12:21 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2016 12:13 zlefin wrote:
Why were they interested in the PoV of a crazy person?
I mean, there's plenty of people who support trump with fewer signs of clinical insanity; so it can't be about representative trump supporter-ness. So people like Plansix can say that is the average Trump supporter, and wallow further in their narrative.
I've heard the audio from Trump rallies. I've seen the news. There are enough of them for me to be concerned. Trump's power is that he is a con-artist and tells people what they want to hear. To this woman, he is going to save her. To David Duke, he is taking back America for white people by deporting all the illegal immigrants. To the person who can't think of voting for Hilary, he is a guy who will hire good people to advise him and he won't be that bad.
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