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On September 23 2016 07:03 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 06:55 xDaunt wrote:On September 23 2016 06:51 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:50 xDaunt wrote:On September 23 2016 06:49 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:48 xDaunt wrote:On September 23 2016 06:43 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:38 xDaunt wrote:On September 23 2016 06:19 Danglars wrote:On September 23 2016 06:06 xDaunt wrote:
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What trolling? Who is going to disagree with the proposition that looters and rioters are vermin? I honestly don't give a fuck what race they are. I can't help it if you guys want to make the conversation about race instead of law and order. That's your prerogative, even if it means exposing some very ugly and unpleasant truths about some of your values. At this point, I don't think any more exposure is necessary. The cesspool of values is on bright display. Honestly, what I expected to catch some shit on was that there's a bit of a stink of advocating police brutality/excessive force in my original post. It didn't even occur to me that the rabid PC crowd would go all in on the bullshit "xDaunt is a racist" angle. I guess my expectations for this thread were a little high. We're going to go all out on your trolling. For the sake of logic, we are going to remember that "politically correct" isn't a logical argument against something. So instead of saying that we are pc, we are going to determine how we are illogical, or wrong. Make the argument against the position expressed in this thread, showing that it's incorrect, or irrational, as opposed to "politically correct". Go ahead. I'm not using "politically correct" as an argument. I'm using it as a label. And the labeling really has nothing to do with my arguments anyway -- all of which makes your appeal to logic amusing. Certain posters (yourself included) certainly haven't shown any hesitation in relentlessly misrepresenting my point, so don't let logic get in your way. So there's nothing wrong logically with our position? Oh no, there very clearly is something logically wrong, which is why I mentioned your "relentless misrepresentation" of my point. So can you please demonstrate it, as I asked you, instead of just labeling it pc? I already have, as have others. All of my statements were racially neutral, yet they have been repeatedly impugned (and I have personally been impugned) as being racist. And the only way to get to "what xDaunt said is racist" is to add content to my statements that aren't there. That is what we call a misrepresentation. Mmm or we can just say that you worded your posts in a way that gives you plausible deniability while also baiting criticism in. You know how people in this thread would react. You baited them in while giving yourself wiggle room to argue about it.
No, I really didn't expect this reaction to that post. I expected a different one like I said earlier.
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On September 23 2016 07:03 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 06:58 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 06:55 xDaunt wrote:On September 23 2016 06:51 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:50 xDaunt wrote:On September 23 2016 06:49 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:48 xDaunt wrote:On September 23 2016 06:43 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:38 xDaunt wrote:On September 23 2016 06:19 Danglars wrote:
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At this point, I don't think any more exposure is necessary. The cesspool of values is on bright display. Honestly, what I expected to catch some shit on was that there's a bit of a stink of advocating police brutality/excessive force in my original post. It didn't even occur to me that the rabid PC crowd would go all in on the bullshit "xDaunt is a racist" angle. I guess my expectations for this thread were a little high. We're going to go all out on your trolling. For the sake of logic, we are going to remember that "politically correct" isn't a logical argument against something. So instead of saying that we are pc, we are going to determine how we are illogical, or wrong. Make the argument against the position expressed in this thread, showing that it's incorrect, or irrational, as opposed to "politically correct". Go ahead. I'm not using "politically correct" as an argument. I'm using it as a label. And the labeling really has nothing to do with my arguments anyway -- all of which makes your appeal to logic amusing. Certain posters (yourself included) certainly haven't shown any hesitation in relentlessly misrepresenting my point, so don't let logic get in your way. So there's nothing wrong logically with our position? Oh no, there very clearly is something logically wrong, which is why I mentioned your "relentless misrepresentation" of my point. So can you please demonstrate it, as I asked you, instead of just labeling it pc? I already have, as have others. All of my statements were racially neutral, yet they have been repeatedly impugned (and I have personally been impugned) as being racist. And the only way to get to "what xDaunt said is racist" is to add content to my statements that aren't there. That is what we call a misrepresentation. If you want people to stop calling you a racist maybe ease up on the racist rhetoric. Just an idea. It's the same as when GGTemplar is burning crosses on the lawns of a black family and cries out "no, actually I burn crosses on the lawns of white and black people all the time, you can't infer anything from this". If you're upset about people thinking you're a racist perhaps stop using the word vermin to describe black people. Of course we all already think you're a racist but maybe when you're meeting new people you could try and hide it. I'm not upset at all that various posters call me racist. It lets me know that I've won.
He has reached is final form. It took Trump, but he got there. Full blown, doesn't need to hide it any more, racist upper middle class dude.
2016 people. The year we will never forget.
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On September 23 2016 06:57 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 06:53 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:48 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:38 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:36 ticklishmusic wrote:
Maybe we should have an experiment. GGTemplar can call a white guy on the street a monkey for "doing something dumb". Then he call a black person that and we can compare the results. Oh I don't go around calling people on the street monkey that is just retarded. On September 23 2016 06:37 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:36 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:30 Slaughter wrote:
The problem is that terms like monkey is rarely applied to white people, even when they are doing bad things. So what about me? I've thought of more white people as 'fucking monkeys' thank blacks. You might be surprised to learn that the way people speak around the world isn't generally based on what you think. Nope not surprised at all. As I've said, I've come to learn I am very different than most people. So if you aren't surprised, why did you say "What about me?" as if it was surprising that the english language didn't stop to consider all of your particularities? So that you can come to the rational conclusion that I am one of the rare exceptions who applies it to anyone acting like a monkey. That's what the word literally is. Monkey. When someone is stupid you can call them stupid. The only difference is this word has historical baggage associated with racism. This entire argument started because the two were conflated. I can't speak absolutely for other people in this thread, but I wouldn't be surprised if the people who called them 'vermin' or 'thugs' did so because of their actions not because of their skin color. The criticism came that they were being targeted because of their skin color which I doubt was the case. Maybe I'm wrong, but I know from my perspective at least that it certainly wasn't the case. Your original argument was that we overreacted by calling you a racist when you used racist terms to describe black people. Now you're saying, we should have considered that you're a special snowflake who uses racist terms differently than the other people who are racists. In what you're saying now, there is no overreaction on our part. It is perfectly logical of us to assume that you're using terms in the same way that the rest of americans do. I'm clearly not explaining myself correctly here and you are clearly living in a different reality of what the 'argument' was about. My comments about being a special snowflake are trying to bring some humor into a situation I consider absurdly stupid. My original argument was that people calling the criminals in that video 'thugs' or 'vermin' was not racially motivated but behaviorally motivated because they were acting like 'monkeys' so it wasn't wrong to call them 'monkeys'. This was largely met with the counter-argument of being called a racist. I think you're being the opposite of logical when you are strictly being told "they are vermin/thugs/monkeys because they are behaving like criminals, not because they are black", but then ignore that and say "No you're only doing it because they're black you racist" over and over. You pretend I misunderstand you, and your explanation clearly shows that I didn't. Your original argument was that we overreacted by calling you a racist when you used racist terms ( monkeys) to describe black people. Now you're saying, we should have considered that you're a special snowflake who uses racist terms differently ( "they are vermin/thugs/monkeys because they are behaving like criminals, not because they are black") than the other people who are racists. You could call them niggers and then say that you do it because they behave like criminals, not because they are black. You could even believe that it is very true. Wouldn't change how you would be perceived, or how you should expect to be perceived.
Oh you didn't overreacted by calling me a racist. You were just wrong. I said this the first time. I said I was calling them names because the names fit how they were behaving. I said it had nothing to do with their skin color.
You are others wanted to have an argument about why I was doing it, which was just about as far from logical as you can get.
That's literally what happened. You can't read. My comments about being a special snowflake had nothing to do with the argument, so yes you misunderstood me and willingly continue to ignore what I say and misunderstand me still.
Why is it so difficult for you to read? I'm telling you the snowflake tangent had nothing to do with the argument and that's all you can focus on.
Vermin is not a racist term.
Thug is not a racist term.
Criminal is not a racist term.
Monkey is not a racist term.
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On September 23 2016 07:05 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 07:03 xDaunt wrote:On September 23 2016 06:58 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 06:55 xDaunt wrote:On September 23 2016 06:51 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:50 xDaunt wrote:On September 23 2016 06:49 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:48 xDaunt wrote:On September 23 2016 06:43 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:38 xDaunt wrote:
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Honestly, what I expected to catch some shit on was that there's a bit of a stink of advocating police brutality/excessive force in my original post. It didn't even occur to me that the rabid PC crowd would go all in on the bullshit "xDaunt is a racist" angle. I guess my expectations for this thread were a little high. We're going to go all out on your trolling. For the sake of logic, we are going to remember that "politically correct" isn't a logical argument against something. So instead of saying that we are pc, we are going to determine how we are illogical, or wrong. Make the argument against the position expressed in this thread, showing that it's incorrect, or irrational, as opposed to "politically correct". Go ahead. I'm not using "politically correct" as an argument. I'm using it as a label. And the labeling really has nothing to do with my arguments anyway -- all of which makes your appeal to logic amusing. Certain posters (yourself included) certainly haven't shown any hesitation in relentlessly misrepresenting my point, so don't let logic get in your way. So there's nothing wrong logically with our position? Oh no, there very clearly is something logically wrong, which is why I mentioned your "relentless misrepresentation" of my point. So can you please demonstrate it, as I asked you, instead of just labeling it pc? I already have, as have others. All of my statements were racially neutral, yet they have been repeatedly impugned (and I have personally been impugned) as being racist. And the only way to get to "what xDaunt said is racist" is to add content to my statements that aren't there. That is what we call a misrepresentation. If you want people to stop calling you a racist maybe ease up on the racist rhetoric. Just an idea. It's the same as when GGTemplar is burning crosses on the lawns of a black family and cries out "no, actually I burn crosses on the lawns of white and black people all the time, you can't infer anything from this". If you're upset about people thinking you're a racist perhaps stop using the word vermin to describe black people. Of course we all already think you're a racist but maybe when you're meeting new people you could try and hide it. I'm not upset at all that various posters call me racist. It lets me know that I've won. He has reached is final form. It took Trump, but he got there. Full blown, doesn't need to hide it any more, racist upper middle class dude. 2016 people. The year we will never forget.
Have you ever wondered to yourself what percent of society is racist, and what percent of people you have disagreements with in this thread (about anything) are racist, and compared those estimates?
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On September 23 2016 07:08 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 06:57 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:53 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:48 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:38 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:36 ticklishmusic wrote:
Maybe we should have an experiment. GGTemplar can call a white guy on the street a monkey for "doing something dumb". Then he call a black person that and we can compare the results. Oh I don't go around calling people on the street monkey that is just retarded. On September 23 2016 06:37 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:36 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:30 Slaughter wrote:
The problem is that terms like monkey is rarely applied to white people, even when they are doing bad things. So what about me? I've thought of more white people as 'fucking monkeys' thank blacks. You might be surprised to learn that the way people speak around the world isn't generally based on what you think. Nope not surprised at all. As I've said, I've come to learn I am very different than most people. So if you aren't surprised, why did you say "What about me?" as if it was surprising that the english language didn't stop to consider all of your particularities? So that you can come to the rational conclusion that I am one of the rare exceptions who applies it to anyone acting like a monkey. That's what the word literally is. Monkey. When someone is stupid you can call them stupid. The only difference is this word has historical baggage associated with racism. This entire argument started because the two were conflated. I can't speak absolutely for other people in this thread, but I wouldn't be surprised if the people who called them 'vermin' or 'thugs' did so because of their actions not because of their skin color. The criticism came that they were being targeted because of their skin color which I doubt was the case. Maybe I'm wrong, but I know from my perspective at least that it certainly wasn't the case. Your original argument was that we overreacted by calling you a racist when you used racist terms to describe black people. Now you're saying, we should have considered that you're a special snowflake who uses racist terms differently than the other people who are racists. In what you're saying now, there is no overreaction on our part. It is perfectly logical of us to assume that you're using terms in the same way that the rest of americans do. I'm clearly not explaining myself correctly here and you are clearly living in a different reality of what the 'argument' was about. My comments about being a special snowflake are trying to bring some humor into a situation I consider absurdly stupid. My original argument was that people calling the criminals in that video 'thugs' or 'vermin' was not racially motivated but behaviorally motivated because they were acting like 'monkeys' so it wasn't wrong to call them 'monkeys'. This was largely met with the counter-argument of being called a racist. I think you're being the opposite of logical when you are strictly being told "they are vermin/thugs/monkeys because they are behaving like criminals, not because they are black", but then ignore that and say "No you're only doing it because they're black you racist" over and over. You pretend I misunderstand you, and your explanation clearly shows that I didn't. Your original argument was that we overreacted by calling you a racist when you used racist terms ( monkeys) to describe black people. Now you're saying, we should have considered that you're a special snowflake who uses racist terms differently ( "they are vermin/thugs/monkeys because they are behaving like criminals, not because they are black") than the other people who are racists. You could call them niggers and then say that you do it because they behave like criminals, not because they are black. You could even believe that it is very true. Wouldn't change how you would be perceived, or how you should expect to be perceived. Oh you didn't overreacted by calling me a racist. You were just wrong. I said this the first time. I said I was calling them names because the names fit how they were behaving. I said it had nothing to do with their skin color. You are others wanted to have an argument about why I was doing it, which was just about as far from logical as you can get. That's literally what happened. You can't read. My comments about being a special snowflake had nothing to do with the argument, so yes you misunderstood me and willingly continue to ignore what I say and misunderstand me still. Why is it so difficult for you to read? I'm telling you the snowflake tangent had nothing to do with the argument and that's all you can focus on. Vermin is not a racist term. Thug is not a racist term. Criminal is not a racist term. Monkey is not a racist term.
Everything is a racist term if the people in power use the term to degrade the disenfranchised. Mick is not inherently a slur, but I wouldn't call a large Irish dude it.
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On September 23 2016 07:08 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 06:57 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:53 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:48 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:38 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:36 ticklishmusic wrote:
Maybe we should have an experiment. GGTemplar can call a white guy on the street a monkey for "doing something dumb". Then he call a black person that and we can compare the results. Oh I don't go around calling people on the street monkey that is just retarded. On September 23 2016 06:37 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:36 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:30 Slaughter wrote:
The problem is that terms like monkey is rarely applied to white people, even when they are doing bad things. So what about me? I've thought of more white people as 'fucking monkeys' thank blacks. You might be surprised to learn that the way people speak around the world isn't generally based on what you think. Nope not surprised at all. As I've said, I've come to learn I am very different than most people. So if you aren't surprised, why did you say "What about me?" as if it was surprising that the english language didn't stop to consider all of your particularities? So that you can come to the rational conclusion that I am one of the rare exceptions who applies it to anyone acting like a monkey. That's what the word literally is. Monkey. When someone is stupid you can call them stupid. The only difference is this word has historical baggage associated with racism. This entire argument started because the two were conflated. I can't speak absolutely for other people in this thread, but I wouldn't be surprised if the people who called them 'vermin' or 'thugs' did so because of their actions not because of their skin color. The criticism came that they were being targeted because of their skin color which I doubt was the case. Maybe I'm wrong, but I know from my perspective at least that it certainly wasn't the case. Your original argument was that we overreacted by calling you a racist when you used racist terms to describe black people. Now you're saying, we should have considered that you're a special snowflake who uses racist terms differently than the other people who are racists. In what you're saying now, there is no overreaction on our part. It is perfectly logical of us to assume that you're using terms in the same way that the rest of americans do. I'm clearly not explaining myself correctly here and you are clearly living in a different reality of what the 'argument' was about. My comments about being a special snowflake are trying to bring some humor into a situation I consider absurdly stupid. My original argument was that people calling the criminals in that video 'thugs' or 'vermin' was not racially motivated but behaviorally motivated because they were acting like 'monkeys' so it wasn't wrong to call them 'monkeys'. This was largely met with the counter-argument of being called a racist. I think you're being the opposite of logical when you are strictly being told "they are vermin/thugs/monkeys because they are behaving like criminals, not because they are black", but then ignore that and say "No you're only doing it because they're black you racist" over and over. You pretend I misunderstand you, and your explanation clearly shows that I didn't. Your original argument was that we overreacted by calling you a racist when you used racist terms ( monkeys) to describe black people. Now you're saying, we should have considered that you're a special snowflake who uses racist terms differently ( "they are vermin/thugs/monkeys because they are behaving like criminals, not because they are black") than the other people who are racists. You could call them niggers and then say that you do it because they behave like criminals, not because they are black. You could even believe that it is very true. Wouldn't change how you would be perceived, or how you should expect to be perceived. Oh you didn't overreacted by calling me a racist. You were just wrong. I said this the first time. I said I was calling them names because the names fit how they were behaving. I said it had nothing to do with their skin color. You are others wanted to have an argument about why I was doing it, which was just about as far from logical as you can get. That's literally what happened. You can't read. My comments about being a special snowflake had nothing to do with the argument, so yes you misunderstood me and willingly continue to ignore what I say and misunderstand me still. Why is it so difficult for you to read? I'm telling you the snowflake tangent had nothing to do with the argument and that's all you can focus on. Vermin is not a racist term. Thug is not a racist term. Criminal is not a racist term. Monkey is not a racist term.
So I didn't overreact by calling you a racist because you used the term monkey, but monkey is not a racist term. Even when you accuse me of something, the logic you use doesn't make any sense.
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On September 23 2016 07:05 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 07:03 xDaunt wrote:On September 23 2016 06:58 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 06:55 xDaunt wrote:On September 23 2016 06:51 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:50 xDaunt wrote:On September 23 2016 06:49 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:48 xDaunt wrote:On September 23 2016 06:43 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:38 xDaunt wrote:
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Honestly, what I expected to catch some shit on was that there's a bit of a stink of advocating police brutality/excessive force in my original post. It didn't even occur to me that the rabid PC crowd would go all in on the bullshit "xDaunt is a racist" angle. I guess my expectations for this thread were a little high. We're going to go all out on your trolling. For the sake of logic, we are going to remember that "politically correct" isn't a logical argument against something. So instead of saying that we are pc, we are going to determine how we are illogical, or wrong. Make the argument against the position expressed in this thread, showing that it's incorrect, or irrational, as opposed to "politically correct". Go ahead. I'm not using "politically correct" as an argument. I'm using it as a label. And the labeling really has nothing to do with my arguments anyway -- all of which makes your appeal to logic amusing. Certain posters (yourself included) certainly haven't shown any hesitation in relentlessly misrepresenting my point, so don't let logic get in your way. So there's nothing wrong logically with our position? Oh no, there very clearly is something logically wrong, which is why I mentioned your "relentless misrepresentation" of my point. So can you please demonstrate it, as I asked you, instead of just labeling it pc? I already have, as have others. All of my statements were racially neutral, yet they have been repeatedly impugned (and I have personally been impugned) as being racist. And the only way to get to "what xDaunt said is racist" is to add content to my statements that aren't there. That is what we call a misrepresentation. If you want people to stop calling you a racist maybe ease up on the racist rhetoric. Just an idea. It's the same as when GGTemplar is burning crosses on the lawns of a black family and cries out "no, actually I burn crosses on the lawns of white and black people all the time, you can't infer anything from this". If you're upset about people thinking you're a racist perhaps stop using the word vermin to describe black people. Of course we all already think you're a racist but maybe when you're meeting new people you could try and hide it. I'm not upset at all that various posters call me racist. It lets me know that I've won. He has reached is final form. It took Trump, but he got there. Full blown, doesn't need to hide it any more, racist upper middle class dude. 2016 people. The year we will never forget.
As my main man Charlie Sheen would say..."Winning!"
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I think everyone's just on edge because the debate's coming up. Monday can't come soon enough.
On a more lighthearted note,
Does anyone have debate party plans or anything similar? I'm going to have a tower of beer and thousands of wings. It will be glorious.
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On September 23 2016 07:05 Barrin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 07:03 xDaunt wrote:On September 23 2016 06:58 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 06:55 xDaunt wrote:On September 23 2016 06:51 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:50 xDaunt wrote:On September 23 2016 06:49 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:48 xDaunt wrote:On September 23 2016 06:43 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:38 xDaunt wrote:
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Honestly, what I expected to catch some shit on was that there's a bit of a stink of advocating police brutality/excessive force in my original post. It didn't even occur to me that the rabid PC crowd would go all in on the bullshit "xDaunt is a racist" angle. I guess my expectations for this thread were a little high. We're going to go all out on your trolling. For the sake of logic, we are going to remember that "politically correct" isn't a logical argument against something. So instead of saying that we are pc, we are going to determine how we are illogical, or wrong. Make the argument against the position expressed in this thread, showing that it's incorrect, or irrational, as opposed to "politically correct". Go ahead. I'm not using "politically correct" as an argument. I'm using it as a label. And the labeling really has nothing to do with my arguments anyway -- all of which makes your appeal to logic amusing. Certain posters (yourself included) certainly haven't shown any hesitation in relentlessly misrepresenting my point, so don't let logic get in your way. So there's nothing wrong logically with our position? Oh no, there very clearly is something logically wrong, which is why I mentioned your "relentless misrepresentation" of my point. So can you please demonstrate it, as I asked you, instead of just labeling it pc? I already have, as have others. All of my statements were racially neutral, yet they have been repeatedly impugned (and I have personally been impugned) as being racist. And the only way to get to "what xDaunt said is racist" is to add content to my statements that aren't there. That is what we call a misrepresentation. If you want people to stop calling you a racist maybe ease up on the racist rhetoric. Just an idea. It's the same as when GGTemplar is burning crosses on the lawns of a black family and cries out "no, actually I burn crosses on the lawns of white and black people all the time, you can't infer anything from this". If you're upset about people thinking you're a racist perhaps stop using the word vermin to describe black people. Of course we all already think you're a racist but maybe when you're meeting new people you could try and hide it. I'm not upset at all that various posters call me racist. It lets me know that I've won. I do challenge anyone to point out exactly where they think you were being racist. I don't recall that.
He said BLM were vermin. Vermin are subhuman parasites that need to be wiped out. There's actually quite a long history to calling other races vermin and while I don't want to invoke the Nazis lightly it was basically their big idea. Down to the specific language appearing in all their rhetoric, propaganda films and speeches. But I feel like I'm overexplaining this. Surely I don't need to explain the historical context of calling a black group vermin. The racism there should be pretty obvious by itself without pointing out that it's basically a Hitler quote.
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On September 23 2016 06:50 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 06:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:38 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:36 ticklishmusic wrote:
Maybe we should have an experiment. GGTemplar can call a white guy on the street a monkey for "doing something dumb". Then he call a black person that and we can compare the results. Oh I don't go around calling people on the street monkey that is just retarded. On September 23 2016 06:37 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:36 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:30 Slaughter wrote:
The problem is that terms like monkey is rarely applied to white people, even when they are doing bad things. So what about me? I've thought of more white people as 'fucking monkeys' thank blacks. You might be surprised to learn that the way people speak around the world isn't generally based on what you think. Nope not surprised at all. As I've said, I've come to learn I am very different than most people. So if you aren't surprised, why did you say "What about me?" as if it was surprising that the english language didn't stop to consider all of your particularities? So that you can come to the rational conclusion that I am one of the rare exceptions who applies it to anyone acting like a monkey. That's what the word literally is. Monkey. When someone is stupid you can call them stupid. The only difference is this word has historical baggage associated with racism. This entire argument started because the two were conflated. I can't speak absolutely for other people in this thread, but I wouldn't be surprised if the people who called them 'vermin' or 'thugs' did so because of their actions not because of their skin color. The criticism came that they were being targeted because of their skin color which I doubt was the case. Maybe I'm wrong, but I know from my perspective at least that it certainly wasn't the case. How are you still not getting it that you shouldn't be calling black people monkeys, even if you think it's not coming from a racist place? Do you think it's okay to call black people niggers as a derogatory term if you're not doing it because you're racist, just because you're looking down on those specific black people? I mean we both know what's actually going on here but I'll play the game and pretend you really have no idea why what you did was wrong and that it needs to be explained to you.
I disagree with the notion that 'monkey' and 'nigger' are comparable insults. You're just wrong here.
The only wrong thing I did was decide to entertain the pseudointellectuals that call this thread home and waste my time with the following argument
-'Why is calling these violent criminals who are acting like animals vermin/thugs racist? It's just factually true'
-'No it's racist you're only calling them that because they're black'
-'No I'm calling them that because of how they're acting. I call white people monkey all the time. It has nothing to do with race'
-'No it's racist you're only calling them that because they're black. You are a racist for calling these black people monkey'.
-'You don't understand I'm not calling black people monkeys, I'm calling these violent criminals monkeys because they're acting like animals'
-'You're a fucking deplorable racist stop calling black people monkeys'
wow I am the idiot here
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On September 23 2016 07:12 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 06:50 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 06:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:38 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:36 ticklishmusic wrote:
Maybe we should have an experiment. GGTemplar can call a white guy on the street a monkey for "doing something dumb". Then he call a black person that and we can compare the results. Oh I don't go around calling people on the street monkey that is just retarded. On September 23 2016 06:37 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:36 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:30 Slaughter wrote:
The problem is that terms like monkey is rarely applied to white people, even when they are doing bad things. So what about me? I've thought of more white people as 'fucking monkeys' thank blacks. You might be surprised to learn that the way people speak around the world isn't generally based on what you think. Nope not surprised at all. As I've said, I've come to learn I am very different than most people. So if you aren't surprised, why did you say "What about me?" as if it was surprising that the english language didn't stop to consider all of your particularities? So that you can come to the rational conclusion that I am one of the rare exceptions who applies it to anyone acting like a monkey. That's what the word literally is. Monkey. When someone is stupid you can call them stupid. The only difference is this word has historical baggage associated with racism. This entire argument started because the two were conflated. I can't speak absolutely for other people in this thread, but I wouldn't be surprised if the people who called them 'vermin' or 'thugs' did so because of their actions not because of their skin color. The criticism came that they were being targeted because of their skin color which I doubt was the case. Maybe I'm wrong, but I know from my perspective at least that it certainly wasn't the case. How are you still not getting it that you shouldn't be calling black people monkeys, even if you think it's not coming from a racist place? Do you think it's okay to call black people niggers as a derogatory term if you're not doing it because you're racist, just because you're looking down on those specific black people? I mean we both know what's actually going on here but I'll play the game and pretend you really have no idea why what you did was wrong and that it needs to be explained to you. I disagree with the notion that 'monkey' and 'nigger' are comparable insults. You're just wrong here. The only wrong thing I did was decide to entertain the pseudointellectuals that call this thread home and waste my time with the following argument -'Why is calling these violent criminals who are acting like animals vermin/thugs racist? It's just factually true' -'No it's racist you're only calling them that because they're black' -'No I'm calling them that because of how they're acting. I call white people monkey all the time. It has nothing to do with race' -'No it's racist you're only calling them that because they're black. You are a racist for calling these black people monkey'. -'You don't understand I'm not calling black people monkeys, I'm calling these violent criminals monkeys because they're acting like animals' -'You're a fucking deplorable racist stop calling black people monkeys' wow I am the idiot here
Please explain why nigger is racist and monkey is not with reference to the historical contexts of each. Thanks.
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On September 23 2016 07:10 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 07:05 Plansix wrote:On September 23 2016 07:03 xDaunt wrote:On September 23 2016 06:58 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 06:55 xDaunt wrote:On September 23 2016 06:51 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:50 xDaunt wrote:On September 23 2016 06:49 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:48 xDaunt wrote:On September 23 2016 06:43 Nebuchad wrote:
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We're going to go all out on your trolling.
For the sake of logic, we are going to remember that "politically correct" isn't a logical argument against something. So instead of saying that we are pc, we are going to determine how we are illogical, or wrong.
Make the argument against the position expressed in this thread, showing that it's incorrect, or irrational, as opposed to "politically correct".
Go ahead. I'm not using "politically correct" as an argument. I'm using it as a label. And the labeling really has nothing to do with my arguments anyway -- all of which makes your appeal to logic amusing. Certain posters (yourself included) certainly haven't shown any hesitation in relentlessly misrepresenting my point, so don't let logic get in your way. So there's nothing wrong logically with our position? Oh no, there very clearly is something logically wrong, which is why I mentioned your "relentless misrepresentation" of my point. So can you please demonstrate it, as I asked you, instead of just labeling it pc? I already have, as have others. All of my statements were racially neutral, yet they have been repeatedly impugned (and I have personally been impugned) as being racist. And the only way to get to "what xDaunt said is racist" is to add content to my statements that aren't there. That is what we call a misrepresentation. If you want people to stop calling you a racist maybe ease up on the racist rhetoric. Just an idea. It's the same as when GGTemplar is burning crosses on the lawns of a black family and cries out "no, actually I burn crosses on the lawns of white and black people all the time, you can't infer anything from this". If you're upset about people thinking you're a racist perhaps stop using the word vermin to describe black people. Of course we all already think you're a racist but maybe when you're meeting new people you could try and hide it. I'm not upset at all that various posters call me racist. It lets me know that I've won. He has reached is final form. It took Trump, but he got there. Full blown, doesn't need to hide it any more, racist upper middle class dude. 2016 people. The year we will never forget. Have you ever wondered to yourself what percent of society is racist, and what percent of people you have disagreements with in this thread (about anything) are racist, and compared those estimates?
100% of society suffer from racist bias. Not enough of society understand that fact and gets super offended when someone tells them they are being racist.
Do you know what you say when someone says you are being racist?
"I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be. I don't want to offend anyone, can you explain to me why that is racist?"
Fucking EZ PZ.
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Monkey is not a racist term..... Ok I think we are done here.
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On September 23 2016 07:13 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 07:12 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:50 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 06:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:38 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:36 ticklishmusic wrote:
Maybe we should have an experiment. GGTemplar can call a white guy on the street a monkey for "doing something dumb". Then he call a black person that and we can compare the results. Oh I don't go around calling people on the street monkey that is just retarded. On September 23 2016 06:37 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:36 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:30 Slaughter wrote:
The problem is that terms like monkey is rarely applied to white people, even when they are doing bad things. So what about me? I've thought of more white people as 'fucking monkeys' thank blacks. You might be surprised to learn that the way people speak around the world isn't generally based on what you think. Nope not surprised at all. As I've said, I've come to learn I am very different than most people. So if you aren't surprised, why did you say "What about me?" as if it was surprising that the english language didn't stop to consider all of your particularities? So that you can come to the rational conclusion that I am one of the rare exceptions who applies it to anyone acting like a monkey. That's what the word literally is. Monkey. When someone is stupid you can call them stupid. The only difference is this word has historical baggage associated with racism. This entire argument started because the two were conflated. I can't speak absolutely for other people in this thread, but I wouldn't be surprised if the people who called them 'vermin' or 'thugs' did so because of their actions not because of their skin color. The criticism came that they were being targeted because of their skin color which I doubt was the case. Maybe I'm wrong, but I know from my perspective at least that it certainly wasn't the case. How are you still not getting it that you shouldn't be calling black people monkeys, even if you think it's not coming from a racist place? Do you think it's okay to call black people niggers as a derogatory term if you're not doing it because you're racist, just because you're looking down on those specific black people? I mean we both know what's actually going on here but I'll play the game and pretend you really have no idea why what you did was wrong and that it needs to be explained to you. I disagree with the notion that 'monkey' and 'nigger' are comparable insults. You're just wrong here. The only wrong thing I did was decide to entertain the pseudointellectuals that call this thread home and waste my time with the following argument -'Why is calling these violent criminals who are acting like animals vermin/thugs racist? It's just factually true' -'No it's racist you're only calling them that because they're black' -'No I'm calling them that because of how they're acting. I call white people monkey all the time. It has nothing to do with race' -'No it's racist you're only calling them that because they're black. You are a racist for calling these black people monkey'. -'You don't understand I'm not calling black people monkeys, I'm calling these violent criminals monkeys because they're acting like animals' -'You're a fucking deplorable racist stop calling black people monkeys' wow I am the idiot here Please explain why nigger is racist and monkey is not with reference to the historical contexts of each. Thanks.
One word originated as a racist term. It was literally conceived to distinguish people based on their race.
The other as a name for an actual animal in the animal kingdom. It happens to make a very good insult because the animal itself is more human-like than any other animal, but still stupid and animalistic. I can call someone acting stupidly and crudely in a very broad sense a 'fucking monkey' or 'acting like a fucking monkey' and it fits very well. Is it dehumanizing? Sure, that's the fucking point. The person I'm insulting is acting like an animal.
Notice how I got through the second one without any mention of race at all.
You're welcome
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On September 23 2016 07:14 Barrin wrote:Let me get this straight. You've never heard this term used in a racist context? If not, are you sure you live in the US? Do you get out much?If so, I think you might want to take a look in the mirror when you say "intellectually dishonest".
Oh I have. Anyone who uses it in a racist context is wrong for doing so and they're deplorable. I'd even call them stupid fucking monkeys themselves for doing it.
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On September 23 2016 07:17 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 07:13 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 07:12 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:50 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 06:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:38 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:36 ticklishmusic wrote:
Maybe we should have an experiment. GGTemplar can call a white guy on the street a monkey for "doing something dumb". Then he call a black person that and we can compare the results. Oh I don't go around calling people on the street monkey that is just retarded. On September 23 2016 06:37 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:36 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:30 Slaughter wrote:
The problem is that terms like monkey is rarely applied to white people, even when they are doing bad things. So what about me? I've thought of more white people as 'fucking monkeys' thank blacks. You might be surprised to learn that the way people speak around the world isn't generally based on what you think. Nope not surprised at all. As I've said, I've come to learn I am very different than most people. So if you aren't surprised, why did you say "What about me?" as if it was surprising that the english language didn't stop to consider all of your particularities? So that you can come to the rational conclusion that I am one of the rare exceptions who applies it to anyone acting like a monkey. That's what the word literally is. Monkey. When someone is stupid you can call them stupid. The only difference is this word has historical baggage associated with racism. This entire argument started because the two were conflated. I can't speak absolutely for other people in this thread, but I wouldn't be surprised if the people who called them 'vermin' or 'thugs' did so because of their actions not because of their skin color. The criticism came that they were being targeted because of their skin color which I doubt was the case. Maybe I'm wrong, but I know from my perspective at least that it certainly wasn't the case. How are you still not getting it that you shouldn't be calling black people monkeys, even if you think it's not coming from a racist place? Do you think it's okay to call black people niggers as a derogatory term if you're not doing it because you're racist, just because you're looking down on those specific black people? I mean we both know what's actually going on here but I'll play the game and pretend you really have no idea why what you did was wrong and that it needs to be explained to you. I disagree with the notion that 'monkey' and 'nigger' are comparable insults. You're just wrong here. The only wrong thing I did was decide to entertain the pseudointellectuals that call this thread home and waste my time with the following argument -'Why is calling these violent criminals who are acting like animals vermin/thugs racist? It's just factually true' -'No it's racist you're only calling them that because they're black' -'No I'm calling them that because of how they're acting. I call white people monkey all the time. It has nothing to do with race' -'No it's racist you're only calling them that because they're black. You are a racist for calling these black people monkey'. -'You don't understand I'm not calling black people monkeys, I'm calling these violent criminals monkeys because they're acting like animals' -'You're a fucking deplorable racist stop calling black people monkeys' wow I am the idiot here Please explain why nigger is racist and monkey is not with reference to the historical contexts of each. Thanks. One word originated as a racist term. It was literally conceived to distinguish people based on their race. The other as a name for an actual animal in the animal kingdom. It happens to make a very good insult because the animal itself is more human-like than any other animal, but still stupid and animalistic. I can call someone acting stupidly and crudely in a very broad sense a 'fucking monkey' or 'acting like a fucking monkey' and it fits very well. Is it dehumanizing? Sure, that's the fucking point. The person I'm insulting is acting like an animal. Notice how I got through the second one without any mention of race at all. You're welcome
You seem to have skipped the whole "with reference to the historical contexts of each". Please try again and this time make reference to the historical context of the word monkey as it is used to describe African Americans.
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On September 23 2016 07:17 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 07:13 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 07:12 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:50 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 06:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:38 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:37 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:36 ticklishmusic wrote:
Maybe we should have an experiment. GGTemplar can call a white guy on the street a monkey for "doing something dumb". Then he call a black person that and we can compare the results. Oh I don't go around calling people on the street monkey that is just retarded. On September 23 2016 06:37 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:36 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:30 Slaughter wrote:
The problem is that terms like monkey is rarely applied to white people, even when they are doing bad things. So what about me? I've thought of more white people as 'fucking monkeys' thank blacks. You might be surprised to learn that the way people speak around the world isn't generally based on what you think. Nope not surprised at all. As I've said, I've come to learn I am very different than most people. So if you aren't surprised, why did you say "What about me?" as if it was surprising that the english language didn't stop to consider all of your particularities? So that you can come to the rational conclusion that I am one of the rare exceptions who applies it to anyone acting like a monkey. That's what the word literally is. Monkey. When someone is stupid you can call them stupid. The only difference is this word has historical baggage associated with racism. This entire argument started because the two were conflated. I can't speak absolutely for other people in this thread, but I wouldn't be surprised if the people who called them 'vermin' or 'thugs' did so because of their actions not because of their skin color. The criticism came that they were being targeted because of their skin color which I doubt was the case. Maybe I'm wrong, but I know from my perspective at least that it certainly wasn't the case. How are you still not getting it that you shouldn't be calling black people monkeys, even if you think it's not coming from a racist place? Do you think it's okay to call black people niggers as a derogatory term if you're not doing it because you're racist, just because you're looking down on those specific black people? I mean we both know what's actually going on here but I'll play the game and pretend you really have no idea why what you did was wrong and that it needs to be explained to you. I disagree with the notion that 'monkey' and 'nigger' are comparable insults. You're just wrong here. The only wrong thing I did was decide to entertain the pseudointellectuals that call this thread home and waste my time with the following argument -'Why is calling these violent criminals who are acting like animals vermin/thugs racist? It's just factually true' -'No it's racist you're only calling them that because they're black' -'No I'm calling them that because of how they're acting. I call white people monkey all the time. It has nothing to do with race' -'No it's racist you're only calling them that because they're black. You are a racist for calling these black people monkey'. -'You don't understand I'm not calling black people monkeys, I'm calling these violent criminals monkeys because they're acting like animals' -'You're a fucking deplorable racist stop calling black people monkeys' wow I am the idiot here Please explain why nigger is racist and monkey is not with reference to the historical contexts of each. Thanks. One word originated as a racist term. It was literally conceived to distinguish people based on their race. The other as a name for an actual animal in the animal kingdom. It happens to make a very good insult because the animal itself is more human-like than any other animal, but still stupid and animalistic. I can call someone acting stupidly and crudely in a very broad sense a 'fucking monkey' or 'acting like a fucking monkey' and it fits very well. Is it dehumanizing? Sure, that's the fucking point. The person I'm insulting is acting like an animal. Notice how I got through the second one without any mention of race at all. You're welcome
There is no mention of the historical context of the word monkey here. Which is what he asked you. So 100% of what he asked you is missing.
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