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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 20 2016 13:02 GMT
#101081
An interstate gasoline pipeline has ruptured in central Alabama, spilling 338,000 gallons of fuel in an ecologically sensitive area and threatening fuel shortages across the eastern US. So far governors in Alabama, Georgia and North Carolina have declared states of emergency.

The line runs from Houston to the New York harbor, and experts say the line’s owner, Colonial Pipeline, was extraordinarily lucky: the spill happened 500ft from the retention pond for a mining company, and all the fuel flowed into it. That spared the Cahaba river system, one of the most biologically diverse spots in the country, prized by scientists for its concentration of endangered species.

“Yeah,” said James Pinkney, a spokesman for the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). He gave a wry laugh. “You really couldn’t have planned it any better than this. There are no homes nearby, and it’s fully contained. It’s so fortunate.”

The fuel could have flowed all the way to Mobile Bay on the gulf coast, bringing destruction for hundreds of miles. “Along the way it would have impacted all the wildlife living in it and drinking from it,” said Myra Crawford, executive director at Cahaba Riverkeeper, an outfit that monitors the ecological integrity of the watershed. “And plants like the Cahaba lilies – this is one of the only remaining sites where they are found. It could have been so destructive.”

Instead, she said, environmental workers have only found a few animals killed by exposure to the fuel. “A few raccoons,” she said. “It’s absolutely minimal. A miracle.”

The greatest danger from the spill, and what led to the declarations of emergency, is the likelihood that fuel shortages will affect states across the eastern US, starting in the southeast. The executive orders will loosen restrictions on fuel trucks, allowing them to supply gasoline where the pipe would have normally. Truck drivers will be able to work longer shifts than usually allowed by the US Department of Transportation.


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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 20 2016 13:03 GMT
#101082
They did call Bush sr. PR rep and he did not refute it, which would have been the standard response.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17980 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-20 13:06:33
September 20 2016 13:05 GMT
#101083
On September 20 2016 22:02 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
“Yeah,” said James Pinkney, a spokesman for the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). He gave a wry laugh. “You really couldn’t have planned it any better than this. There are no homes nearby, and it’s fully contained. It’s so fortunate.”


I believe you could. You could of course not have the pipeline rupture in the first place. Probably by spending sufficient money on maintenance, but screw that. We'll just hope they break in the middle of nowhere and then claim it's the best we could do.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9118 Posts
September 20 2016 13:06 GMT
#101084
Candy maker Skittles was left sour Monday after being pulled into the mire of the 2016 presidential race by Donald Trump Jr.

The Republican presidential nominee's son tweeted an image Monday that used the popular rainbow-colored candy to make a policy argument against admitting refugees into the United States.

"If I had a bowl of skittles and I told you just three would kill you. Would you take a handful," the image read. Trump added his own commentary on the message, tweeting, "This image says it all. Let's end the politically correct agenda that doesn't put America first. #trump2016."

Skittles parent company Wrigley Americas distanced itself from the tweet with a terse response opposing Trump Jr.'s premise.

"Skittles are candy. Refugees are people. We don't feel it's an appropriate analogy," Vice President of Corporate Affairs Denise Young said in the statement. "We will respectfully refrain from further commentary as anything we say could be misinterpreted as marketing."


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/skittles-donald-trump-jr-tweet-skittles-are-candy-refugees-are-n651051

This truly is a special electoral campagin
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 20 2016 13:09 GMT
#101085
On September 20 2016 22:06 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
Candy maker Skittles was left sour Monday after being pulled into the mire of the 2016 presidential race by Donald Trump Jr.

The Republican presidential nominee's son tweeted an image Monday that used the popular rainbow-colored candy to make a policy argument against admitting refugees into the United States.

"If I had a bowl of skittles and I told you just three would kill you. Would you take a handful," the image read. Trump added his own commentary on the message, tweeting, "This image says it all. Let's end the politically correct agenda that doesn't put America first. #trump2016."

Skittles parent company Wrigley Americas distanced itself from the tweet with a terse response opposing Trump Jr.'s premise.

"Skittles are candy. Refugees are people. We don't feel it's an appropriate analogy," Vice President of Corporate Affairs Denise Young said in the statement. "We will respectfully refrain from further commentary as anything we say could be misinterpreted as marketing."


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/skittles-donald-trump-jr-tweet-skittles-are-candy-refugees-are-n651051

This truly is a special electoral campagin

I love the meme based dog whistle with skittles to link back to George Zimmerman. Quality garbage being pumped out by the PR team for Trump. And the bowl is way to small.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
September 20 2016 13:13 GMT
#101086
On September 20 2016 22:06 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
Candy maker Skittles was left sour Monday after being pulled into the mire of the 2016 presidential race by Donald Trump Jr.

The Republican presidential nominee's son tweeted an image Monday that used the popular rainbow-colored candy to make a policy argument against admitting refugees into the United States.

"If I had a bowl of skittles and I told you just three would kill you. Would you take a handful," the image read. Trump added his own commentary on the message, tweeting, "This image says it all. Let's end the politically correct agenda that doesn't put America first. #trump2016."

Skittles parent company Wrigley Americas distanced itself from the tweet with a terse response opposing Trump Jr.'s premise.

"Skittles are candy. Refugees are people. We don't feel it's an appropriate analogy," Vice President of Corporate Affairs Denise Young said in the statement. "We will respectfully refrain from further commentary as anything we say could be misinterpreted as marketing."


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/skittles-donald-trump-jr-tweet-skittles-are-candy-refugees-are-n651051

This truly is a special electoral campagin


If 3 skittles would kill me, I'd still eat a whole bag of them, so I don't exactly know where he's going with that analogy...
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 20 2016 13:13 GMT
#101087
The Labor Department will hand out $5 million in grants to fund job centers for people coming out of jails, part of a broader Obama administration initiative to help reduce recidivism, NPR has learned.

"The earlier you start investing in people who are incarcerated, the better the odds of a successful outcome," Labor Secretary Thomas Perez said in an interview.

The new batch of funding means that 41 such grant projects in a number of states have now won federal funding, known as Linking to Employment Activities Pre-release.

The awards come a day after Perez made a stop in New Haven, Conn., to check in on a program that helps formerly incarcerated people re-enter the community.

Perez heard from about a half-dozen inmates at the New Haven Correctional Center. They're part of an onsite program with a goal to prepare people like Liam Daly, from Groton, Conn., to get out with a plan and hopefully a job at the end of his sentence.

"I got 30 days left and go back out," Daly said. "And this workshop, I heard about it so I came down, volunteered to take it, and it's the best move I made. I think it is one door closes, another one opens, so to speak."

The program opened in February. It'll serve 175 inmates who are within six months of the end of their sentence. So far, 34 have completed the curriculum, which includes preparing for job interviews. More than half are now working.

Perez told a group of inmates he's seeing an increase in the number of employers across the country who are willing to hire ex-offenders.

"What they want to see is the ability to work with a team, making sure you're there on time, and that work ethic," Perez said. "I think you all have it. And we're working hard to make sure that there's more employers out there. And the good news is, there are. That's why we're trying to connect with you here, so that you're ready Day 1."

Perez made a second stop where he spoke with ex-offenders and their employers.

"We want to be smart on crime, and the revolving-door system of criminal justice where you lock them up, you give them no training, and you pretend to be surprised when they become frequent fliers in the justice system, that is poor public policy at a minimum, and it's poor criminal-justice policy," Perez said in the interview.

He said wardens and jail employees he has met support the workforce programs because they improve officer safety and inmates' morale.


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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 20 2016 13:14 GMT
#101088
On September 20 2016 17:29 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Give me Corbyn over the Blairites anyday, Give me Sanders over establishment dems like Clinton anyday.Integrity still means something.This election is about establishment vs anti establishment, if you think the dems core will turnout anywhere near 2008 or even 2012 levels you're smoking some strong stuff.


What makes people believe that Bernie isn't part of the establishment? He's a career politician.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 20 2016 13:16 GMT
#101089
On September 20 2016 22:14 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2016 17:29 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Give me Corbyn over the Blairites anyday, Give me Sanders over establishment dems like Clinton anyday.Integrity still means something.This election is about establishment vs anti establishment, if you think the dems core will turnout anywhere near 2008 or even 2012 levels you're smoking some strong stuff.


What makes people believe that Bernie isn't part of the establishment? He's a career politician.

He says he isn’t? And to be fair, he is elected in Vermont. We constantly forget they are a state except when we make pancakes or waffles.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 20 2016 13:24 GMT
#101090
On September 20 2016 22:16 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2016 22:14 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On September 20 2016 17:29 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Give me Corbyn over the Blairites anyday, Give me Sanders over establishment dems like Clinton anyday.Integrity still means something.This election is about establishment vs anti establishment, if you think the dems core will turnout anywhere near 2008 or even 2012 levels you're smoking some strong stuff.


What makes people believe that Bernie isn't part of the establishment? He's a career politician.

He says he isn’t? And to be fair, he is elected in Vermont. We constantly forget they are a state except when we make pancakes or waffles.


He has the media to thank for taking that ball and running with it. What other angle to present a long-shot challenger to one of the most recognized politicians of the day and generate lots of clicks?
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Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9118 Posts
September 20 2016 13:26 GMT
#101091
COLUMBIA - A new law went into effect Sunday that now requires students across the state of Missouri to say the pledge of allegiance daily.

House Bill 1750, sponsored by Shane Roden (R- Cedar Hill), specifies publicly funded schools in Missouri must recite the Pledge of Allegiance at least once a day. The previous Missouri requirement was to only say the Pledge once a week.

After House Bill 1750 officially went into effect, some schools had to change their schedules so they could accommodate the bill’s requirements. New Haven Elementary School Principle Carole Garth talked about her school handling the change.

Garth mentioned kindergarten through second grade already said the pledge every morning. Third through fifth graders previously only said the pledge on Friday mornings. Now, they are all saying the pledge each morning in their classrooms.

“Since the beginning of the school year, the teachers understood that the new law would be coming into effect most likely and so they had ordered [flags] for their classrooms,” said Garth.

The bill had been proposed a few times before it passed. Columbia Public School Community Relations Director Michelle Baumstark said CPS will work with each school in the district individually to help them find the time in their respective schedules.

“Each school kind of has its own climate culture for how they [find the time],” said Baumstark.

Though publicly funded schools will be required to have time to recite the pledge every day, students will not be required to say it. Flags may be provided by voluntary donation and must be in every classroom.


http://www.komu.com/news/new-missouri-law-changes-pledge-of-allegiance-requirements/

Nothing more patriotic than patriotism required by law
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-20 13:28:30
September 20 2016 13:28 GMT
#101092
Missouri is also contemplating gun license issuance without any training requirement.

Yeah, don't go to Missouri unless you're tracing your Oregon Trail playthrough.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 20 2016 13:35 GMT
#101093
Let us force our children to pledge allegiance to the Republic and stand during for a song that has the word “the land of the free” in the finally. The home of the brave, where our greatest fear is our children will have different ideals that we do.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11505 Posts
September 20 2016 14:06 GMT
#101094
On September 20 2016 22:35 Plansix wrote:
Let us force our children to pledge allegiance to the Republic and stand during for a song that has the word “the land of the free” in the finally. The home of the brave, where our greatest fear is our children will have different ideals that we do.


What the fuck, does that seriously happen?

Maybe it is my countries history, but i would be majorly freaked out if school children would be required to participate in some daily propaganda ritual.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-20 14:10:41
September 20 2016 14:09 GMT
#101095
On September 20 2016 23:06 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2016 22:35 Plansix wrote:
Let us force our children to pledge allegiance to the Republic and stand during for a song that has the word “the land of the free” in the finally. The home of the brave, where our greatest fear is our children will have different ideals that we do.


What the fuck, does that seriously happen?

Maybe it is my countries history, but i would be majorly freaked out if school children would be required to participate in some daily propaganda ritual.

it does happen. it's not technically REQUIRED; but there's a lot of social pressure to join in, including sometimes from teachers/staff.

at least that's how it was when I was there.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
September 20 2016 14:11 GMT
#101096
On September 20 2016 15:39 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
If Trump represents the pure aestheticization of politics, he is, at least, harnessing something truly political. The insurrection of the tea party in its divers forms may simply be a deep political reaction to the unabated state of exception that was inaugurated on September 11th. When Clinton truly killed off politics with his Third Way in the 90s, it became apparent that the two parties were only trading off managerial responsibilities of American capital. True disagreements have been minor, akin to philosophical differences over management style or business strategy, rather than political in the true sense. That may also have been the last breath of constitutional liberalism, as Newt's House was really the last Congress to effectively wield power over the executive.

It's a little hard to follow your line of thought here ... the third way was deeply political and he found great political strategy maneuvering between Bush and Perot in a vibrant economy that would be safe platform to try out a Democrat. Obama is the more movement-progressive brand to '92 and '96 Clinton's politician brand. When Newt came in for Clinton, he stood out in front pushing the message that he had heard the voters and would adjust. The 2010 wave under Obama provoked no such change. Contract with America and the results in welfare reform and the resulting vetoes I think showed true political differences then as well.


It was only "political" in the sense of "maneuvering" but it was self-interested and devoid of "politics" in the sense that Clinton represented no interests but that of the Clintons and perhaps the Democratic party, which was competing with the Republican party for the position of American CEO. This is apparent when looking at Clinton's record: welfare reform, NAFTA, repealing Glass-Steagall, the abandoning of healthcare reform. It's an agenda similar to what Bush would have sought. The growing importance of single-issue voters around this time is also a good indicator that Clinton was a "political" operator without a politics. Issues like abortion are mostly artifacts of the religious right's pull on the American electorate rather than evidence of the political. Even Obama's successes with the ACA are in the same vein. It's a technical solution to the problem of population management, not a political movement that took its cues from a portion of the electorate. Anything truly revolutionary (single payer) was off the table. Instead we are left with a convoluted compromise; more the product of managers hashing out a production strategy with the financiers than of politics per se. There was no "us vs. them", only a "them" arguing amongst themselves about the most economical way to proceed.

It also seems pretty clear to me that the office of the President swallows up whoever is elected. Obama is acting as President more often than he acts as Obama.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-20 14:17:45
September 20 2016 14:17 GMT
#101097

House Bill 1750, sponsored by Shane Roden (R- Cedar Hill), specifies publicly funded schools in Missouri must recite the Pledge of Allegiance at least once a day. The previous Missouri requirement was to only say the Pledge once a week.

...

Though publicly funded schools will be required to have time to recite the pledge every day, students will not be required to say it. Flags may be provided by voluntary donation and must be in every classroom.


I'm confused - the law is requiring that the school says the pledge, correct? Not that the students must recite it? So they take time out of the day for the school to recite it over intercom, correct?
Yargh
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7887 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-20 14:21:41
September 20 2016 14:20 GMT
#101098
On September 20 2016 14:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2016 14:01 Doodsmack wrote:
Hopefully if Trump is elected the liberal SC justices will remain long enough to hear the challenges to his immigration plans.


I bet Democrats don't blow off supporters of someone like Bernie next time around if Trump wins, If Hillary wins, you can count on her going even further to the right over the course of her term (it would be what Democrats told her she could/should do).

Hopefully Trump win, then in four years maybe Bernie 2 wins. And if in four years Bernie 2 doesn't win, let's hope Trump wins again. The worst enemy of a true leftist is a moderate leftist. The far right is ok.

Oh and fuck the folks who will get crushed meanwhile by Trump's lunatic agenda. Who cares about people (especially the black, the muslims, the poor, and all of that), politics is not about that, it's about our hipster fantasies.

GH, providing you everything that's wrong with politics, left wing version.

(By the way Hillary's platform is at the left of the Dems. But yeah, horrible right wing bitch. Trump and Hilary are the same. Bring da Bern).

Horrible.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 20 2016 14:21 GMT
#101099
On September 20 2016 23:06 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2016 22:35 Plansix wrote:
Let us force our children to pledge allegiance to the Republic and stand during for a song that has the word “the land of the free” in the finally. The home of the brave, where our greatest fear is our children will have different ideals that we do.


What the fuck, does that seriously happen?

Maybe it is my countries history, but i would be majorly freaked out if school children would be required to participate in some daily propaganda ritual.

Part of the Republican platform is to discourage teaching critical thinking in schools to prevent children from challenging their parent’s views. Behind the wall of fiscal responsibility, a tumor of deep social authoritarianism has grown and is trying to assert itself. Mandating the pledge is part of that. And “optional” school prayer.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42640 Posts
September 20 2016 14:23 GMT
#101100
On September 20 2016 22:06 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
Candy maker Skittles was left sour Monday after being pulled into the mire of the 2016 presidential race by Donald Trump Jr.

The Republican presidential nominee's son tweeted an image Monday that used the popular rainbow-colored candy to make a policy argument against admitting refugees into the United States.

"If I had a bowl of skittles and I told you just three would kill you. Would you take a handful," the image read. Trump added his own commentary on the message, tweeting, "This image says it all. Let's end the politically correct agenda that doesn't put America first. #trump2016."

Skittles parent company Wrigley Americas distanced itself from the tweet with a terse response opposing Trump Jr.'s premise.

"Skittles are candy. Refugees are people. We don't feel it's an appropriate analogy," Vice President of Corporate Affairs Denise Young said in the statement. "We will respectfully refrain from further commentary as anything we say could be misinterpreted as marketing."


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/skittles-donald-trump-jr-tweet-skittles-are-candy-refugees-are-n651051

This truly is a special electoral campagin

The skittles facebook forward is about a year old now and generally gets used for Syrian refugees. It's pretty incredible that we are having actual political discussions regarding the content of /r/forwardsfromgrandma. 2016 is the year the internet memes take over. Seize the rarest of Pepes for they will be currency in the new era.
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