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On September 20 2016 04:52 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 04:49 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 20 2016 04:42 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 04:37 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:35 TheYango wrote:
Generally politicians fuck things up more than they say they will, not less. I don't know where this blind optimism that Trump will be better than his rhetoric portrays comes from. What about Hillary though? She have more chance of not following up than Trump. At least with Trump on the helm, he doesn't have as much favors to pay for since they are funded differently. You do know that Trump is a private business owner and he says his children will be in charge of his company while he serves? If you think there will be less pay for play under Trump, you might be in for an amazing surprise. Are you under the impression that Trump is becoming President to get rich? I thought we put that conspiracy during the primaries. Either way, $4.5 billion in net worth, which some of isn't even in the US doesn't allow Trump to drain the budget with his privacy business even if that was the case. I think he is a fairly selfish person, and I think he's main motivation for what he's doing is he want to leave the world in a state similar to how he found it when he was younger, which some modifications like less racism, more modern tradition values, so allowing gay marriage, etc... But simply to fight the liberal left movement, for his kids and family (and for his own ideology too). I never get the impression that he's doing it for wealth gain - maybe for popularity sure, but that's okay with me. How can we convince Plansix to stop his Trumphobia?  I think we are being very reasonable here.
Its ok and reasonable for him to shit on Trump, I just dont like how he embraces Hillary as a decent candidate. Thats where he loses credibillity.
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On September 20 2016 04:52 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 04:49 RealityIsKing wrote:
And let's be honest, congress have the power to stop wars so let's face it, any president's power is severely limited in that regard and Trump knows this.
The worst case scenario isn't Trump doing the things he says, the worst case scenario is him letting a Republican congress pass whatever they want. I'm working off the assumption that both Hillary and Trump are full of shit and won't do any of what they say. From that perspective, I'll take 4 more years of obstructionism over 4 years of the President giving a Republican congress a free pass.
I mean Hillary can do that too and we all know how crazy the Left can be too.
And Republicans right now is REALLY fractured on a lot of things, there will be infighting even after Trump gets elected.
Also Trump doesn't come from Republican money so they have WAY less strings on him than the Dems have on Hillary.
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On September 20 2016 04:53 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 04:46 ticklishmusic wrote:On September 20 2016 04:35 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:32 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 04:27 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 20 2016 04:23 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:17 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 04:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 03:58 Plansix wrote:
The reasons I dislike him are unchanged. He is still uninformed, deeply stupid and a man-baby that is unfit for office. Even if I ignore all the populist non-sense, he is still a garbage candidate due to his lack of knowledge and complete distain for people with knowledge. I don't think he is uninformed though. Yes, he is tough on immigration but that's due to all those reported incidence from Europe and of course 911. Yes, he is right that illegal immigrants needs to turn up and sign up for legal residency and whoever that isn't qualified needs to be kicked out. That's actually really anti corporate and would grant the one that deserves it minimum wage and other social benefit. He is doing a lot of goods for the people. The only people that hates on him are masochist, they know that there are some undeserved illegals here and of course they do exist. Yeah, I disagree on every level. He shows a basic lack of understanding on most international issues. His plan to make Mexico pay for the wall was comical at best, tragically uninformed at worst. His talk about dealing with ISIS can be described as that of a middle school play ground bully or child attempting to sound tough. His distain for the press, political process and judicial system have been evident throughout this election. He is the very definition of the person I never want to see elected, a self aggrandizing blow hard who hates people who better informed than him. And he surrounds himself with yes-men and people who are willing to ride his coat tails for their own personal gain. I got through George W Bush. I’m not doing it again, especially with someone even dumber than Bush. And somehow worse at public speaking. He is not ACTUALLY thinking that Mexico will pay for the wall? Are you THIS naive for real? I don't believe that you are. Its an intimidating tactics, his point is that Mexico is getting the better deal out of the US-Mexico relationship. So he wants to set new tone with Mexico and the quickest way to get Mexico's attention is to go an outrageous deal then to negotiate afterward. You are definitely not thinking out of the box here. While I don't agree with you, since Mexico is going to pay for the wall, but simply through Tariffs or some other trade means, not a hey, give us $1 billion dollars a year for the next while so we can build a wall... Plansix does take most things at absurdly face value, and hence it can be difficult to discuss anything politics with him. On September 20 2016 04:26 TheYango wrote:On September 20 2016 04:23 RealityIsKing wrote:
He is not ACTUALLY thinking that Mexico will pay for the wall? Are you THIS naive for real? I don't believe that you are.
Its an intimidating tactics, his point is that Mexico is getting the better deal out of the US-Mexico relationship.
So he wants to set new tone with Mexico and the quickest way to get Mexico's attention is to go an outrageous deal then to negotiate afterward.
You are definitely not thinking out of the box here. The problem isn't whether or not Mexico will pay for the wall. The problem is that suggesting that a new wall will actually significantly impact illegal immigration in a productive way deeply misunderstands how illegal immigrants end up becoming illegal immigrants, and what effects putting up a wall would actually have. The wall is synonymous with increased border security. Anyone who imagines any kind of wall being erected and everything else staying the same is wrong. Trump and his advisors aren't/won't be stupid enough to spend billions of dollars for no reason whatsoever. So that part of his plan he is selling is flawed, but we should trust that the rest of it is fine because reasons. Also, this is the guy who lied to people attending his university, claiming the classes would help them make more money or provide education. But we should believe this guy, with a decades long history of defrauding to people to make a quick buck. Well way better than Hillary with so many more dirt on her. And she ACTUALLY costed people's lives in the Middle East. So you're a Benghazi truther I see? Or are you referring to her extremely qualified vote for authorization of force which led to the Iraq war? I dont understand, does being a truther automatically make you stupid?
Did I mention stupidity at all?
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On September 20 2016 04:56 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 04:53 NukeD wrote:On September 20 2016 04:46 ticklishmusic wrote:On September 20 2016 04:35 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:32 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 04:27 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 20 2016 04:23 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:17 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 04:09 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 03:58 Plansix wrote:
The reasons I dislike him are unchanged. He is still uninformed, deeply stupid and a man-baby that is unfit for office. Even if I ignore all the populist non-sense, he is still a garbage candidate due to his lack of knowledge and complete distain for people with knowledge. I don't think he is uninformed though. Yes, he is tough on immigration but that's due to all those reported incidence from Europe and of course 911. Yes, he is right that illegal immigrants needs to turn up and sign up for legal residency and whoever that isn't qualified needs to be kicked out. That's actually really anti corporate and would grant the one that deserves it minimum wage and other social benefit. He is doing a lot of goods for the people. The only people that hates on him are masochist, they know that there are some undeserved illegals here and of course they do exist. Yeah, I disagree on every level. He shows a basic lack of understanding on most international issues. His plan to make Mexico pay for the wall was comical at best, tragically uninformed at worst. His talk about dealing with ISIS can be described as that of a middle school play ground bully or child attempting to sound tough. His distain for the press, political process and judicial system have been evident throughout this election. He is the very definition of the person I never want to see elected, a self aggrandizing blow hard who hates people who better informed than him. And he surrounds himself with yes-men and people who are willing to ride his coat tails for their own personal gain. I got through George W Bush. I’m not doing it again, especially with someone even dumber than Bush. And somehow worse at public speaking. He is not ACTUALLY thinking that Mexico will pay for the wall? Are you THIS naive for real? I don't believe that you are. Its an intimidating tactics, his point is that Mexico is getting the better deal out of the US-Mexico relationship. So he wants to set new tone with Mexico and the quickest way to get Mexico's attention is to go an outrageous deal then to negotiate afterward. You are definitely not thinking out of the box here. While I don't agree with you, since Mexico is going to pay for the wall, but simply through Tariffs or some other trade means, not a hey, give us $1 billion dollars a year for the next while so we can build a wall... Plansix does take most things at absurdly face value, and hence it can be difficult to discuss anything politics with him. On September 20 2016 04:26 TheYango wrote:On September 20 2016 04:23 RealityIsKing wrote:
He is not ACTUALLY thinking that Mexico will pay for the wall? Are you THIS naive for real? I don't believe that you are.
Its an intimidating tactics, his point is that Mexico is getting the better deal out of the US-Mexico relationship.
So he wants to set new tone with Mexico and the quickest way to get Mexico's attention is to go an outrageous deal then to negotiate afterward.
You are definitely not thinking out of the box here. The problem isn't whether or not Mexico will pay for the wall. The problem is that suggesting that a new wall will actually significantly impact illegal immigration in a productive way deeply misunderstands how illegal immigrants end up becoming illegal immigrants, and what effects putting up a wall would actually have. The wall is synonymous with increased border security. Anyone who imagines any kind of wall being erected and everything else staying the same is wrong. Trump and his advisors aren't/won't be stupid enough to spend billions of dollars for no reason whatsoever. So that part of his plan he is selling is flawed, but we should trust that the rest of it is fine because reasons. Also, this is the guy who lied to people attending his university, claiming the classes would help them make more money or provide education. But we should believe this guy, with a decades long history of defrauding to people to make a quick buck. Well way better than Hillary with so many more dirt on her. And she ACTUALLY costed people's lives in the Middle East. So you're a Benghazi truther I see? Or are you referring to her extremely qualified vote for authorization of force which led to the Iraq war? I dont understand, does being a truther automatically make you stupid? Did I mention stupidity at all?
You implied it.
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On September 20 2016 04:52 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 04:49 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 20 2016 04:42 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 04:37 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:35 TheYango wrote:
Generally politicians fuck things up more than they say they will, not less. I don't know where this blind optimism that Trump will be better than his rhetoric portrays comes from. What about Hillary though? She have more chance of not following up than Trump. At least with Trump on the helm, he doesn't have as much favors to pay for since they are funded differently. You do know that Trump is a private business owner and he says his children will be in charge of his company while he serves? If you think there will be less pay for play under Trump, you might be in for an amazing surprise. Are you under the impression that Trump is becoming President to get rich? I thought we put that conspiracy during the primaries. Either way, $4.5 billion in net worth, which some of isn't even in the US doesn't allow Trump to drain the budget with his privacy business even if that was the case. I think he is a fairly selfish person, and I think he's main motivation for what he's doing is he want to leave the world in a state similar to how he found it when he was younger, which some modifications like less racism, more modern tradition values, so allowing gay marriage, etc... But simply to fight the liberal left movement, for his kids and family (and for his own ideology too). I never get the impression that he's doing it for wealth gain - maybe for popularity sure, but that's okay with me. How can we convince Plansix to stop his Trumphobia? I think we are being very reasonable here.
Trump sucks. He is a terrible candidate. He is a two bit con-artist with a long history of defrauding people, which did not stop during this election. People who claim he is going to be this transformative force for good and change can believe what they want, but I’m going to call them naïve.
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On September 20 2016 04:55 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 04:45 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:42 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 04:37 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:35 TheYango wrote:
Generally politicians fuck things up more than they say they will, not less. I don't know where this blind optimism that Trump will be better than his rhetoric portrays comes from. What about Hillary though? She have more chance of not following up than Trump. At least with Trump on the helm, he doesn't have as much favors to pay for since they are funded differently. You do know that Trump is a private business owner and he says his children will be in charge of his company while he serves? If you think there will be less pay for play under Trump, you might be in for an amazing surprise. There is nothing wrong with letting your children taking care of your company while you are away. Its totally legal. Previous presidents have handed their businesses over to third parties for their terms and placed their investments in blind trusts to assure no corruption would take place. Trump will not be doing that. He is keeping the business in the control of his family who he will be talking with directly about police and other issues. If you believe there will be no pay for play with Trump, you are naïve. That is how that man operates.
Yeah but what he is doing is completely not legal.
Also his sons probably knows A LOT more than any third parties he can find in his business.
I think this is another great addition to Trump.
He can also use his company to make better deals for America.
I see that as an added asset from him.
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On September 20 2016 04:56 RealityIsKing wrote:
I mean Hillary can do that too and we all know how crazy the Left can be too.
Well no, by all counts we're going to have a Republican congress again, so it doesn't matter "how crazy the left can be". At worst, a Hillary presidency would just be more of the president and congress working against each other and getting nothing done.
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The senate may flip but there's pretty much no chance that the house changes hands
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On September 20 2016 04:58 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 04:52 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:49 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 20 2016 04:42 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 04:37 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:35 TheYango wrote:
Generally politicians fuck things up more than they say they will, not less. I don't know where this blind optimism that Trump will be better than his rhetoric portrays comes from. What about Hillary though? She have more chance of not following up than Trump. At least with Trump on the helm, he doesn't have as much favors to pay for since they are funded differently. You do know that Trump is a private business owner and he says his children will be in charge of his company while he serves? If you think there will be less pay for play under Trump, you might be in for an amazing surprise. Are you under the impression that Trump is becoming President to get rich? I thought we put that conspiracy during the primaries. Either way, $4.5 billion in net worth, which some of isn't even in the US doesn't allow Trump to drain the budget with his privacy business even if that was the case. I think he is a fairly selfish person, and I think he's main motivation for what he's doing is he want to leave the world in a state similar to how he found it when he was younger, which some modifications like less racism, more modern tradition values, so allowing gay marriage, etc... But simply to fight the liberal left movement, for his kids and family (and for his own ideology too). I never get the impression that he's doing it for wealth gain - maybe for popularity sure, but that's okay with me. How can we convince Plansix to stop his Trumphobia? I think we are being very reasonable here. Trump sucks. He is a terrible candidate. He is a two bit con-artist with a long history of defrauding people, which did not stop during this election. People who claim he is going to be this transformative force for good and change can believe what they want, but I’m going to call them naïve.
Okay but that's still a better candidate than Hillary though.
At least Trump is planning on doing more for Americans than her.
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On September 20 2016 04:56 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 04:52 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:49 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 20 2016 04:42 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 04:37 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:35 TheYango wrote:
Generally politicians fuck things up more than they say they will, not less. I don't know where this blind optimism that Trump will be better than his rhetoric portrays comes from. What about Hillary though? She have more chance of not following up than Trump. At least with Trump on the helm, he doesn't have as much favors to pay for since they are funded differently. You do know that Trump is a private business owner and he says his children will be in charge of his company while he serves? If you think there will be less pay for play under Trump, you might be in for an amazing surprise. Are you under the impression that Trump is becoming President to get rich? I thought we put that conspiracy during the primaries. Either way, $4.5 billion in net worth, which some of isn't even in the US doesn't allow Trump to drain the budget with his privacy business even if that was the case. I think he is a fairly selfish person, and I think he's main motivation for what he's doing is he want to leave the world in a state similar to how he found it when he was younger, which some modifications like less racism, more modern tradition values, so allowing gay marriage, etc... But simply to fight the liberal left movement, for his kids and family (and for his own ideology too). I never get the impression that he's doing it for wealth gain - maybe for popularity sure, but that's okay with me. How can we convince Plansix to stop his Trumphobia? I think we are being very reasonable here. Its ok and reasonable for him to shit on Trump, I just dont like how he embraces Hillary as a decent candidate. Thats where he loses credibillity.
She is not the best, but far from the worst. I didn’t buy into the email thing because the GOP didn’t’ go after Powell or everyone else who used private email service for government email. The rest I will deal with.
My life was massively improved since Obama took office. The ACA allows us to avoid bankruptcy due to its change of pre-existing condition and a bunch of other stuff. Trump wants to undo all of that. I have said several times that I have friends that are Muslims and Clinton isn’t talking about deporting them or them being the cause of terrorism.
Trump has nothing for me. Clinton has promised to push forward with what Obama started. That is enough for me to give her 4 years in office.
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On September 20 2016 04:57 NukeD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 04:56 ticklishmusic wrote:On September 20 2016 04:53 NukeD wrote:On September 20 2016 04:46 ticklishmusic wrote:On September 20 2016 04:35 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:32 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 04:27 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 20 2016 04:23 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:17 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 04:09 RealityIsKing wrote:
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I don't think he is uninformed though.
Yes, he is tough on immigration but that's due to all those reported incidence from Europe and of course 911.
Yes, he is right that illegal immigrants needs to turn up and sign up for legal residency and whoever that isn't qualified needs to be kicked out.
That's actually really anti corporate and would grant the one that deserves it minimum wage and other social benefit.
He is doing a lot of goods for the people.
The only people that hates on him are masochist, they know that there are some undeserved illegals here and of course they do exist. Yeah, I disagree on every level. He shows a basic lack of understanding on most international issues. His plan to make Mexico pay for the wall was comical at best, tragically uninformed at worst. His talk about dealing with ISIS can be described as that of a middle school play ground bully or child attempting to sound tough. His distain for the press, political process and judicial system have been evident throughout this election. He is the very definition of the person I never want to see elected, a self aggrandizing blow hard who hates people who better informed than him. And he surrounds himself with yes-men and people who are willing to ride his coat tails for their own personal gain. I got through George W Bush. I’m not doing it again, especially with someone even dumber than Bush. And somehow worse at public speaking. He is not ACTUALLY thinking that Mexico will pay for the wall? Are you THIS naive for real? I don't believe that you are. Its an intimidating tactics, his point is that Mexico is getting the better deal out of the US-Mexico relationship. So he wants to set new tone with Mexico and the quickest way to get Mexico's attention is to go an outrageous deal then to negotiate afterward. You are definitely not thinking out of the box here. While I don't agree with you, since Mexico is going to pay for the wall, but simply through Tariffs or some other trade means, not a hey, give us $1 billion dollars a year for the next while so we can build a wall... Plansix does take most things at absurdly face value, and hence it can be difficult to discuss anything politics with him. On September 20 2016 04:26 TheYango wrote:On September 20 2016 04:23 RealityIsKing wrote:
He is not ACTUALLY thinking that Mexico will pay for the wall? Are you THIS naive for real? I don't believe that you are.
Its an intimidating tactics, his point is that Mexico is getting the better deal out of the US-Mexico relationship.
So he wants to set new tone with Mexico and the quickest way to get Mexico's attention is to go an outrageous deal then to negotiate afterward.
You are definitely not thinking out of the box here. The problem isn't whether or not Mexico will pay for the wall. The problem is that suggesting that a new wall will actually significantly impact illegal immigration in a productive way deeply misunderstands how illegal immigrants end up becoming illegal immigrants, and what effects putting up a wall would actually have. The wall is synonymous with increased border security. Anyone who imagines any kind of wall being erected and everything else staying the same is wrong. Trump and his advisors aren't/won't be stupid enough to spend billions of dollars for no reason whatsoever. So that part of his plan he is selling is flawed, but we should trust that the rest of it is fine because reasons. Also, this is the guy who lied to people attending his university, claiming the classes would help them make more money or provide education. But we should believe this guy, with a decades long history of defrauding to people to make a quick buck. Well way better than Hillary with so many more dirt on her. And she ACTUALLY costed people's lives in the Middle East. So you're a Benghazi truther I see? Or are you referring to her extremely qualified vote for authorization of force which led to the Iraq war? I dont understand, does being a truther automatically make you stupid? Did I mention stupidity at all? You implied it.
I implied he may have been unknowledgeable or misinformed and invited him to expand on what he meant by his statement.
Intelligence was not mentioned at all until you brought it up for some reason.
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On September 20 2016 04:59 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 04:56 RealityIsKing wrote:
I mean Hillary can do that too and we all know how crazy the Left can be too.
Well no, by all counts we're going to have a Republican congress again, so it doesn't matter "how crazy the left can be". At worst, a Hillary presidency would just be more of the president and congress working against each other and getting nothing done.
Suggest you to read the rest before making judgement.
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On September 20 2016 05:02 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 04:56 NukeD wrote:On September 20 2016 04:52 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:49 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 20 2016 04:42 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 04:37 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:35 TheYango wrote:
Generally politicians fuck things up more than they say they will, not less. I don't know where this blind optimism that Trump will be better than his rhetoric portrays comes from. What about Hillary though? She have more chance of not following up than Trump. At least with Trump on the helm, he doesn't have as much favors to pay for since they are funded differently. You do know that Trump is a private business owner and he says his children will be in charge of his company while he serves? If you think there will be less pay for play under Trump, you might be in for an amazing surprise. Are you under the impression that Trump is becoming President to get rich? I thought we put that conspiracy during the primaries. Either way, $4.5 billion in net worth, which some of isn't even in the US doesn't allow Trump to drain the budget with his privacy business even if that was the case. I think he is a fairly selfish person, and I think he's main motivation for what he's doing is he want to leave the world in a state similar to how he found it when he was younger, which some modifications like less racism, more modern tradition values, so allowing gay marriage, etc... But simply to fight the liberal left movement, for his kids and family (and for his own ideology too). I never get the impression that he's doing it for wealth gain - maybe for popularity sure, but that's okay with me. How can we convince Plansix to stop his Trumphobia? I think we are being very reasonable here. Its ok and reasonable for him to shit on Trump, I just dont like how he embraces Hillary as a decent candidate. Thats where he loses credibillity. She is not the best, but far from the worst. I didn’t buy into the email thing because the GOP didn’t’ go after Powell or everyone else who used private email service for government email. The rest I will deal with. My life was massively improved since Obama took office. The ACA allows us to avoid bankruptcy due to its change of pre-existing condition and a bunch of other stuff. Trump wants to undo all of that. I have said several times that I have friends that are Muslims and Clinton isn’t talking about deporting them or them being the cause of terrorism. Trump has nothing for me. Clinton has promised to push forward with what Obama started. That is enough for me to give her 4 years in office.
You don't have to buy it but that would be like running away from reality.
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On September 20 2016 05:00 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 04:58 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 04:52 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:49 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 20 2016 04:42 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 04:37 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:35 TheYango wrote:
Generally politicians fuck things up more than they say they will, not less. I don't know where this blind optimism that Trump will be better than his rhetoric portrays comes from. What about Hillary though? She have more chance of not following up than Trump. At least with Trump on the helm, he doesn't have as much favors to pay for since they are funded differently. You do know that Trump is a private business owner and he says his children will be in charge of his company while he serves? If you think there will be less pay for play under Trump, you might be in for an amazing surprise. Are you under the impression that Trump is becoming President to get rich? I thought we put that conspiracy during the primaries. Either way, $4.5 billion in net worth, which some of isn't even in the US doesn't allow Trump to drain the budget with his privacy business even if that was the case. I think he is a fairly selfish person, and I think he's main motivation for what he's doing is he want to leave the world in a state similar to how he found it when he was younger, which some modifications like less racism, more modern tradition values, so allowing gay marriage, etc... But simply to fight the liberal left movement, for his kids and family (and for his own ideology too). I never get the impression that he's doing it for wealth gain - maybe for popularity sure, but that's okay with me. How can we convince Plansix to stop his Trumphobia? I think we are being very reasonable here. Trump sucks. He is a terrible candidate. He is a two bit con-artist with a long history of defrauding people, which did not stop during this election. People who claim he is going to be this transformative force for good and change can believe what they want, but I’m going to call them naïve. Okay but that's still a better candidate than Hillary though. At least Trump is planning on doing more for Americans than her.
No. He isn't. Straight up. Hilary and the democratic party plans to continue with things that make my life better. Trump wants to end them and cut taxes on people that make more in a year and I will in 15. There is no reason for me to vote for that man. Zero. Even without all the xenophobic bullshit, he offers me literally nothing. There is no reason for me to vote for him.
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On September 20 2016 04:55 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 04:45 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:42 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 04:37 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:35 TheYango wrote:
Generally politicians fuck things up more than they say they will, not less. I don't know where this blind optimism that Trump will be better than his rhetoric portrays comes from. What about Hillary though? She have more chance of not following up than Trump. At least with Trump on the helm, he doesn't have as much favors to pay for since they are funded differently. You do know that Trump is a private business owner and he says his children will be in charge of his company while he serves? If you think there will be less pay for play under Trump, you might be in for an amazing surprise. There is nothing wrong with letting your children taking care of your company while you are away. Its totally legal. Previous presidents have handed their businesses over to third parties for their terms and placed their investments in blind trusts to assure no corruption would take place. Trump will not be doing that. He is keeping the business in the control of his family who he will be talking with directly about police and other issues. If you believe there will be no pay for play with Trump, you are naïve. That is how that man operates.
Not a fair comparison.
Past presidents had investments, Donald Trump is the product... He can't really put his company into a blind trust, or just sell it without losing an insurmountable amount of value, and you know that.
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On September 20 2016 05:04 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 05:00 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:58 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 04:52 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:49 FiWiFaKi wrote:On September 20 2016 04:42 Plansix wrote:On September 20 2016 04:37 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:35 TheYango wrote:
Generally politicians fuck things up more than they say they will, not less. I don't know where this blind optimism that Trump will be better than his rhetoric portrays comes from. What about Hillary though? She have more chance of not following up than Trump. At least with Trump on the helm, he doesn't have as much favors to pay for since they are funded differently. You do know that Trump is a private business owner and he says his children will be in charge of his company while he serves? If you think there will be less pay for play under Trump, you might be in for an amazing surprise. Are you under the impression that Trump is becoming President to get rich? I thought we put that conspiracy during the primaries. Either way, $4.5 billion in net worth, which some of isn't even in the US doesn't allow Trump to drain the budget with his privacy business even if that was the case. I think he is a fairly selfish person, and I think he's main motivation for what he's doing is he want to leave the world in a state similar to how he found it when he was younger, which some modifications like less racism, more modern tradition values, so allowing gay marriage, etc... But simply to fight the liberal left movement, for his kids and family (and for his own ideology too). I never get the impression that he's doing it for wealth gain - maybe for popularity sure, but that's okay with me. How can we convince Plansix to stop his Trumphobia? I think we are being very reasonable here. Trump sucks. He is a terrible candidate. He is a two bit con-artist with a long history of defrauding people, which did not stop during this election. People who claim he is going to be this transformative force for good and change can believe what they want, but I’m going to call them naïve. Okay but that's still a better candidate than Hillary though. At least Trump is planning on doing more for Americans than her. No. He isn't. Straight up. Hilary and the democratic party plans to continue with things that make my life better. Trump wants to end them and cut taxes on people that make more in a year and I will in 15. There is no reason for me to vote for that man. Zero. Even without all the xenophobic bullshit, he offers me literally nothing. There is no reason for me to vote for him.
So basically you are mad that he is going to tax people that makes more money than a certain amount?
And you are apparently really rich and don't like that?
Okay you can live in your "high class" life but the rest of us though, its a different story.
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On September 20 2016 05:02 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 04:59 TheYango wrote:On September 20 2016 04:56 RealityIsKing wrote:
I mean Hillary can do that too and we all know how crazy the Left can be too.
Well no, by all counts we're going to have a Republican congress again, so it doesn't matter "how crazy the left can be". At worst, a Hillary presidency would just be more of the president and congress working against each other and getting nothing done. Suggest you to read the rest before making judgement.
I read the rest. The Republicans may be fractured, but that doesn't render them incapable of trying to pass shitty legislation. I don't think who Trump does and doesn't owe favors to is going to factor into whether he actually tries to accomplish things in office.
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Hillary could be to the United States what Hollande was for France. A presidential term of only setbacks.
Same could be said for Trump.
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On September 20 2016 05:07 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2016 05:02 RealityIsKing wrote:On September 20 2016 04:59 TheYango wrote:On September 20 2016 04:56 RealityIsKing wrote:
I mean Hillary can do that too and we all know how crazy the Left can be too.
Well no, by all counts we're going to have a Republican congress again, so it doesn't matter "how crazy the left can be". At worst, a Hillary presidency would just be more of the president and congress working against each other and getting nothing done. Suggest you to read the rest before making judgement. I read the rest. The Republicans may be fractured, but that doesn't render them incapable of trying to pass shitty legislation. I don't think who Trump does and doesn't owe favors to is going to factor into whether he actually tries to accomplish things in office.
But the same thing can happen with the Dems.
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