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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-07 05:14:38
September 07 2016 05:09 GMT
#98281
On September 07 2016 14:03 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2016 13:46 ticklishmusic wrote:
On September 07 2016 11:11 biology]major wrote:
On September 07 2016 11:04 Plansix wrote:
He lies about being a charitable billionaire. Just like everything else.


Well you are in luck! the opposing candidate is a shining example of truth and honesty.


you're in luck! the clinton is one of the biggest charities in the world, and beyond that you can see clinton's personal giving because she released about a decade's worth of tax returns and they have itemized donations.

good god man, it's like you don't know how to internet or something.


I mean she's not as petty with her lies as Trump usually, but it's starting to look crazy to pretend that she's a shining example of truth and honesty.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but does the Clinton foundation list Bill and Chelsea as "independent" board members?

www.clintonfoundation.org


i recommend you look up what independent in this context means.

hint: it says at the bottom of the page (and you an view the form 990 referenced here)
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24495 Posts
September 07 2016 05:19 GMT
#98282
On September 07 2016 14:09 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2016 14:03 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 07 2016 13:46 ticklishmusic wrote:
On September 07 2016 11:11 biology]major wrote:
On September 07 2016 11:04 Plansix wrote:
He lies about being a charitable billionaire. Just like everything else.


Well you are in luck! the opposing candidate is a shining example of truth and honesty.


you're in luck! the clinton is one of the biggest charities in the world, and beyond that you can see clinton's personal giving because she released about a decade's worth of tax returns and they have itemized donations.

good god man, it's like you don't know how to internet or something.


I mean she's not as petty with her lies as Trump usually, but it's starting to look crazy to pretend that she's a shining example of truth and honesty.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but does the Clinton foundation list Bill and Chelsea as "independent" board members?

www.clintonfoundation.org


i recommend you look up what independent in this context means.

hint: it says at the bottom of the page


Oh I'm aware what it means. I was just making sure that's what they were saying.

Honest question, do you think they follow the letter or the spirit of those rules?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-07 06:05:58
September 07 2016 05:57 GMT
#98283
On September 07 2016 14:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2016 14:09 ticklishmusic wrote:
On September 07 2016 14:03 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 07 2016 13:46 ticklishmusic wrote:
On September 07 2016 11:11 biology]major wrote:
On September 07 2016 11:04 Plansix wrote:
He lies about being a charitable billionaire. Just like everything else.


Well you are in luck! the opposing candidate is a shining example of truth and honesty.


you're in luck! the clinton is one of the biggest charities in the world, and beyond that you can see clinton's personal giving because she released about a decade's worth of tax returns and they have itemized donations.

good god man, it's like you don't know how to internet or something.


I mean she's not as petty with her lies as Trump usually, but it's starting to look crazy to pretend that she's a shining example of truth and honesty.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but does the Clinton foundation list Bill and Chelsea as "independent" board members?

www.clintonfoundation.org


i recommend you look up what independent in this context means.

hint: it says at the bottom of the page


Oh I'm aware what it means. I was just making sure that's what they were saying.

Honest question, do you think they follow the letter or the spirit of those rules?

Which rules (or which spirit) do you think they do not follow, and what would be the importance of that?

I am far from an expert in such things but it doesn't seem to me like it would be particularly unusual for members of a board to have some relationship outside their professional one, which seems to be all you've accused them of so far.
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
September 07 2016 06:00 GMT
#98284
On September 07 2016 14:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2016 14:09 ticklishmusic wrote:
On September 07 2016 14:03 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 07 2016 13:46 ticklishmusic wrote:
On September 07 2016 11:11 biology]major wrote:
On September 07 2016 11:04 Plansix wrote:
He lies about being a charitable billionaire. Just like everything else.


Well you are in luck! the opposing candidate is a shining example of truth and honesty.


you're in luck! the clinton is one of the biggest charities in the world, and beyond that you can see clinton's personal giving because she released about a decade's worth of tax returns and they have itemized donations.

good god man, it's like you don't know how to internet or something.


I mean she's not as petty with her lies as Trump usually, but it's starting to look crazy to pretend that she's a shining example of truth and honesty.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but does the Clinton foundation list Bill and Chelsea as "independent" board members?

www.clintonfoundation.org


i recommend you look up what independent in this context means.

hint: it says at the bottom of the page


Oh I'm aware what it means. I was just making sure that's what they were saying.

Honest question, do you think they follow the letter or the spirit of those rules?


Is there something Hilary can ever do that won't make you act like she's lying to you? Or are you just salty about Bernie still?
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-07 08:14:12
September 07 2016 08:02 GMT
#98285
On September 07 2016 07:31 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2016 06:04 xDaunt wrote:
That's actually a good, detailed plan for how to make Mexico pay for the wall.


In the year 2016, xDaunt calls controlling Western Union wire transfers via the PATRIOT act in order to make the Mexican government pay for a border wall a good plan. Shark has been jumped.


I'm not sure if the plan consists of using the patriot act (my own ignorance is to blame here), but it is amusing to me that having future governments abuse it in ways that it was not intended was one of the objections at the time of its introduction, and the principle argument against it was that "it would never happen" lel

of course i can already hear the counter argument "it was intended for exactly this!"
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4461 Posts
September 07 2016 09:03 GMT
#98286
On September 07 2016 05:14 KwarK wrote:
Trump has a stance on the environment, he thinks it was something made up by the Chinese to make American manufacturing less competitive. Never mind that you can't fucking breathe the air in some Chinese cities.

And you can't drink the water in vast swathes of the USA that have been fracked.
Ever watched the doco gasland? The tapwater in many of those homes is flammable! All under the Obama administration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18487 Posts
September 07 2016 09:10 GMT
#98287
On September 07 2016 18:03 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2016 05:14 KwarK wrote:
Trump has a stance on the environment, he thinks it was something made up by the Chinese to make American manufacturing less competitive. Never mind that you can't fucking breathe the air in some Chinese cities.

And you can't drink the water in vast swathes of the USA that have been fracked.
Ever watched the doco gasland? The tapwater in many of those homes is flammable! All under the Obama administration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LBjSXWQRV8

Not to say this is in any way a good thing (I am against fracking for environmental reasons, although I think the safety could be resolved with good regulations), but in what world would a GOP candidate have advocated regulating the fracking industry?

In fact, Trump's stance on fracking is that we need to get rid of any incentives for solar or wind power, and that would lead to fracking being even more economically viable.
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
September 07 2016 11:26 GMT
#98288
On September 07 2016 10:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:



Am I the only one who sees that he is only showing pages with like 30 charities, half of them with no response, two of them with "yes", notice that he chooses a date range to exclude these, and puts "lately" in his sentence...implying that at the start of the list (which he doesn't show pictures of) there were cobfirmations of donations...

All these things together and it makes me wonder if he is making a true statement, but is hiding data/presenting it in a way that makes Trump look bad, when if you had the whole set it wouldn't look nearly as bad.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22697 Posts
September 07 2016 11:39 GMT
#98289
On September 07 2016 20:26 Chewbacca. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2016 10:51 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/Fahrenthold/status/771824249380016129

https://twitter.com/Fahrenthold/status/773162213905428480

Am I the only one who sees that he is only showing pages with like 30 charities, half of them with no response, two of them with "yes", notice that he chooses a date range to exclude these, and puts "lately" in his sentence...implying that at the start of the list (which he doesn't show pictures of) there were cobfirmations of donations...

All these things together and it makes me wonder if he is making a true statement, but is hiding data/presenting it in a way that makes Trump look bad, when if you had the whole set it wouldn't look nearly as bad.

Nope your not the only one. Stuff like this is mostly pointless without showing the whole set and even then it doesnt have to mean much since I believe charities are not required to list their donors?

Would be much easier if we simply had Trumps tax returns but he will likely never show those.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
September 07 2016 13:13 GMT
#98290
Unfortunately cherrypicking is the new way to communicate negative information. It's pretty sad people would bother doing it when you really don't have to cherrypick/take Trump out of context to make him look truly ridiculous and/or asinine.

ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-07 13:14:47
September 07 2016 13:13 GMT
#98291
On September 07 2016 14:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2016 14:09 ticklishmusic wrote:
On September 07 2016 14:03 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 07 2016 13:46 ticklishmusic wrote:
On September 07 2016 11:11 biology]major wrote:
On September 07 2016 11:04 Plansix wrote:
He lies about being a charitable billionaire. Just like everything else.


Well you are in luck! the opposing candidate is a shining example of truth and honesty.


you're in luck! the clinton is one of the biggest charities in the world, and beyond that you can see clinton's personal giving because she released about a decade's worth of tax returns and they have itemized donations.

good god man, it's like you don't know how to internet or something.


I mean she's not as petty with her lies as Trump usually, but it's starting to look crazy to pretend that she's a shining example of truth and honesty.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but does the Clinton foundation list Bill and Chelsea as "independent" board members?

www.clintonfoundation.org


i recommend you look up what independent in this context means.

hint: it says at the bottom of the page


Oh I'm aware what it means. I was just making sure that's what they were saying.

Honest question, do you think they follow the letter or the spirit of those rules?


the rules are pretty clear cut. let me ask you this: have you ever filed taxes or any other IRS/government-type form? there are very clear instructions on what to do and how each box is calculated from other boxes.

you're about half a step from arguing if 1+1 = 2, and you probably would be if that came out of clinton's mouth at this point.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 07 2016 14:29 GMT
#98292


It's starting to look like obstruction of justice.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
September 07 2016 14:36 GMT
#98293
On September 07 2016 23:29 xDaunt wrote:
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/773352090546634752

It's starting to look like obstruction of justice.


That sounds like Bill Clinton talking about the definition of the word "is" - lawyering that actually works.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 07 2016 14:38 GMT
#98294
There is literally no way the FBI looked into that. No way they cross referenced other documents and checked on that issue.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 07 2016 14:42 GMT
#98295
the right wing and wikileaks, politics truly does make for odd bedfellows
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
September 07 2016 14:43 GMT
#98296
On September 07 2016 23:29 xDaunt wrote:
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/773352090546634752

It's starting to look like obstruction of justice.


"Cable signed Clinton", what does that even mean? Are they saying Clinton signed an email as "C", meaning she has designated classified documents as classified?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18487 Posts
September 07 2016 14:44 GMT
#98297
On September 07 2016 23:29 xDaunt wrote:
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/773352090546634752

It's starting to look like obstruction of justice.

Yup. Clearly wikileaks and twitter are better at investigating than the Federal Bureau of Investigation...
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 07 2016 14:46 GMT
#98298
The SOS, SoD and other public figures sign thousands of documents during their terms. Finding a bunch that are marked classified is not a huge shocker.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
September 07 2016 14:46 GMT
#98299
When are we going to see the FEC filings for each campaign for August? Very curious how Trump's fundraising has done.
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
September 07 2016 14:50 GMT
#98300
On September 07 2016 22:13 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Unfortunately cherrypicking is the new way to communicate negative information. It's pretty sad people would bother doing it when you really don't have to cherrypick/take Trump out of context to make him look truly ridiculous and/or asinine.

This has been going on for ages. Information communicated with an agenda in mind will quite often be obfuscated (am I using that word right?) with the intent of warping the mind of the person receiving the information. This happens everywhere all the time, but it is especially prevalent from people who have been trained to convince/argue/debate such as lawyers and people involved in marketing. Two professions that I thoroughly dislike for this very reason.

Just list the facts as completely as possible and allow people to draw their own conclusions. Sigh.
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
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