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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
I as a Hillary supporter refuse to vote for Sanders because I think he's a nut and has done nothing to earn my support. Hillary hasn't endorsed because Sanders hasn't given on positions The superdelegates don't vote till July Do these seem reasonable at all? | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On July 06 2016 04:29 GreenHorizons wrote: Not when the issue is that they were intentionally lied to and manipulated. Who was being lied to? Nobody cares about the email stufff and people with legal expertise were predicting today's result months ago. This whole spectacle wasn't actually important | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24053 Posts
On July 06 2016 04:32 Nyxisto wrote: Who was being lied to? Nobody cares about the email stufff and people with legal expertise were predicting today's result months ago. This whole spectacle wasn't actually important You can't be serious? You're the only person here who's even tried to suggest she wasn't lying at this point, or are you saying that people don't care about the lies surrounding the email issue? If it turned out Bernie was lying to the public about his actions during an FBI investigation I would be fine with Dem's bending the rules to not nominate him as well. I know you all like to think it's all about Bernie, but we actually care about doing the right thing, not just following "rules" for the sake of it. But let's be real Bernie would have never gotten this far if he and his aids were being questioned by the FBI for what they themselves (The FBI) called "extremely careless" handling of sensitive materials. Only in this "better than Trump" style election could someone be called "extremely careless" by the FBI and people think "yeah we should definitely make her president" | ||
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parkufarku
882 Posts
On July 06 2016 04:31 ticklishmusic wrote: Let's turn all of the shit coming from the Sanders camp and flip it to a scenario where Sanders won with a similar margin. Completely made up scenario, but Sanders supporters seem to be good at those. I as a Hillary supporter refuse to vote for Sanders because I think he's a nut and has done nothing to earn my support. Hillary hasn't endorsed because Sanders hasn't given on positions The superdelegates don't vote till July Do these seem reasonable at all? I'm a Bernie supporter and I don't intend to vote for Hillary, but rather for Trump, because DNC / HRC fucked with us so hard this democratic nomination by election fraud, wide-spread rampant voter supression, dirty tricks, mainstream media manipulation, etc. I could care less what Hillary's policies are. God knows that woman changes her views every week depending on who her audience is. The establishment undermined us hard, took away our basic voting right, and scoffed at us when we threatened to not vote for Hillary by trying to intimidate us with the Trump alternative. Well guess what? I'm voting Trump to bring down Hillary / DNC. At least with Trump you know what you're getting. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On July 06 2016 04:41 parkufarku wrote: I'm a Bernie supporter and I don't intend to vote for Hillary, but rather for Trump, because DNC / HRC fucked with us so hard this democratic nomination by election fraud, wide-spread rampant voter supression, dirty tricks, mainstream media manipulation, etc. I could care less what Hillary's policies are. God knows that woman changes her views every week depending on who her audience is. The establishment undermined us hard, took away our basic voting right, and scoffed at us when we threatened to not vote for Hillary by trying to intimidate us with the Trump alternative. Well guess what? I'm voting Trump to bring down Hillary / DNC. At least with Trump you know what you're getting. you are literally dropping buzzwords. if you mean you know what you're getting with trump is you know that you have no idea what his positions will be, then i guess you got it right. he went from building a 20 foot wall to "well the wall is a metaphor", flip flopped on gun control and has gone from women should be punished for abortions to... something else. so okay. feel free to vote however you want. it's your right. i hope one day you'll be able to reflect on this in a constructive manner. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
Edit: I mean, it's basically saying you know better than the person you think should be president of the United States who should be president of the United States. Which is a tenable position, but not one analogous with "support." | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24053 Posts
On July 06 2016 04:48 Plansix wrote: No, not really. Trump changes his position every day, but whatever. That isn’t really the goal here. The goal is a protest vote against the establishment. Which has worked out so well recently for people. When people blew this off for the garbage it is, they got the nominee they wanted (however flawed he may be). | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On July 06 2016 04:39 GreenHorizons wrote: You can't be serious? You're the only person here who's even tried to suggest she wasn't lying at this point, or are you saying that people don't care about the lies surrounding the email issue? I don't think anybody cares about lies in general as long as they like the lies they're being told. The whole focus on 'honesty' is ridiculous anyway. Nixon was corrupt as hell and he would be ten times better than anything the Republican party managed to come up with over the last few election cycles. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24053 Posts
On July 06 2016 04:56 Nyxisto wrote: I don't think anybody cares about lies in general as long as they like the lies they're being told. The whole focus on 'honesty' is ridiculous anyway. Nixon was corrupt as hell and he would be ten times better than anything the Republican party managed to come up with over the last few election cycles. Alright, I mean obviously I disagree on whether people care about the lies, but as long as you're not suggesting she wasn't lying, like it sounded in your previous post. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On July 06 2016 04:41 parkufarku wrote: I'm a Bernie supporter and I don't intend to vote for Hillary, but rather for Trump, because DNC / HRC fucked with us so hard this democratic nomination by election fraud, wide-spread rampant voter supression, dirty tricks, mainstream media manipulation, etc. I could care less what Hillary's policies are. God knows that woman changes her views every week depending on who her audience is. The establishment undermined us hard, took away our basic voting right, and scoffed at us when we threatened to not vote for Hillary by trying to intimidate us with the Trump alternative. Well guess what? I'm voting Trump to bring down Hillary / DNC. At least with Trump you know what you're getting. Ah. So you don't care that an elected Trump will mean a Supreme Court that will undermine, block and/or rollback every progressive initiative, including every single issue and policy that Bernie has campaigned upon, for the next 20-30 years, including recent victories like gay marriage, or that Trump changes policies on a daily basis. Or that I've yet to see proof of this "voter suppression", because the behavior of Bernie supporters in Nevada was disgraceful. Just going to keep drinking the diehard "Berniebro" kool-aid, to be edgy and anti-establishment. Gotcha. I can't afford to say I have the same luxury to vote based on un-substantiated feelings and vague accusations, though my vote is unlikely to matter given Maryland. I just don't get this mentality that if Bernie doesn't win, I'll vote Trump, when Trump diametrically opposes everything Bernie stands for and believes in. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On July 06 2016 05:00 Lord Tolkien wrote: Ah. So you don't care that an elected Trump will mean a Supreme Court that will undermine, block and/or rollback every progressive initiative, including every single issue and policy that Bernie has campaigned upon, for the next 20-30 years, including recent victories like gay marriage, or that Trump changes policies on a daily basis. Or that I've yet to see proof of this "voter suppression", because the behavior of Bernie supporters in Nevada was disgraceful. Just going to keep drinking the diehard "Berniebro" kool-aid, to be edgy and anti-establishment. Gotcha. I can't afford to say I have the same luxury to vote based on un-substantiated feelings and vague accusations, though my vote is unlikely to matter given Maryland. Trump is by far the most moderate republican you will get, he openly praised planned parenthood for providing all of their other services besides abortion, he openly shit on the bush campaign and their horrible execution of he Iraq war. He is pro gay rights and doesn't give a shit about the homophobes. If you are afraid of your progressive agenda being reversed by trump, I'm afraid that's the least of your worries. Trump might actually make moves to lessen the influence of special interest, which is something the Bernie supporters would absolutely advocate I'm in Maryland too, 4 votes from my family for trump, and I imagine most trump supporters are in the shadows, right now it is easier to come out as being gay than that you will be voting for trump. | ||
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farvacola
United States18864 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 06 2016 05:13 farvacola wrote: Excellent, we now have had a Trump supporter claim that his political views are so suppressed that he feels as though coming-out-of-the-closet gay people have it better than him in public acceptance. I literally can't wait to see what those kinds of sentiments will turn into as November edges closer All I can think of is that Arrested Development scene “There are dozens of us, dozens.” | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Trump doesn't. He lies and straight up flip flops. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
Keep it classy boys | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On July 06 2016 05:13 farvacola wrote: Excellent, we now have had a Trump supporter claim that his political views are so suppressed that he feels as though coming-out-of-the-closet gay people have it better than him in public acceptance. I literally can't wait to see what those kinds of sentiments will turn into as November edges closer Maybe you are unaware of the character assassination of anyone who supports trump by the left. "Misogynist!, racist!, xenophobe!, homophobe!, bigot!". Especially someone like me in mid 20's In a state like Maryland. It is precisely this holier than thou attitude from the left that trump is popular anyways, because they refuse to even aknowledge a position from the other side, instead cover it up with some labels and call it a day. Trump is a natural consequence of the left's arrogance, and I can only hope it comes to fruition in November. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On July 06 2016 05:38 biology]major wrote: Maybe you are unaware of the character assassination of anyone who supports trump by the left. "Misogynist!, racist!, xenophobe!, homophobe!, bigot!". Especially someone like me in mid 20's In a state like Maryland. It is precisely this holier than thou attitude from the left that trump is popular anyways, because they refuse to even aknowledge a position from the other side, instead cover it up with some labels and call it a day. Trump is a natural consequence of the left's arrogance, and I can only hope it comes to fruition in November. It's really funny how true this is How in their slobbering attempts to grossly slander Trump and his supporters they've effectively done more to support his candidacy in their attempts to ruin it. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On July 06 2016 05:36 GGTeMpLaR wrote: When I come into the thread to see if there's any interesting discussion about the FBI announcement and it's just a bunch of hillarybots flaming Trump and bullying Green again for being a liberal who doesn't want to support a criminal ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Keep it classy boys Weren't you the person talking about using the rule of charity or somesuch when looking at what people said? Or am I thinking of someone else? Re: Hillary no surprise, exactly what I expected to be the result for ages. | ||
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