EPTI can't wait for the case to get back to the SC after the elections are over.
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
I can't wait for the case to get back to the SC after the elections are over. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On June 24 2016 04:52 Plansix wrote: Once again, I do not believe the liberal criticism in completely meaningless. I said that effect and reach are pretty limited in general. And it exists, but not in the tone or manner that you approve of. And the liberals argument is that the tone and manner you would like would not increase how effective the criticism is. Much like the hard line our politicians take with Iran is effective at gaining support at home and pleases crowds. But the diplomat from Iran said that it is difficult make any headway in negotiations when every politician talks about bombing Iran every time the topic comes up. Because its hard to claim the US is reasonable when CNN is broadcasting the we will bomb them at any moment. Oh, I see what you're arguing. Nevertheless, I do disagree with your assessment of the situation. I find that the inability of the left to openly acknowledge the systemic issue of Islamic terrorism to be very harmful, as it attempts to draw attention away from a genuine issue (which people are certainly seeing is real) because of some idea that it's better not to openly oppose it than to lump the good with the bad. The European left goes further in some ways, e.g. silencing discussion because "racism," but the US left is not too far behind. Well it doesn't really work that way. People see that there most certainly are issues, and that Islamic terrorism is to blame. And when you don't differentiate between the good Muslims and the bad Muslims, they all become culpable in the eyes of those who realize there is a problem, but aren't well-versed enough in international politics to have a more nuanced opinion on the topic. Kind of the opposite of the stated goal, isn't it? As for the idea that these discussions do happen, but no one hears about them, I don't buy the idea that they're significant. Anyone who cares about the issues of "specific criticism of practices within the legal profession, social sciences, waste management or many other sections of the world" will know more about those criticisms than the average person who doesn't give one shit about those issues. It's like the argument made by US intelligence agencies that "these surveillance programs work cuz u dont hear about the terror plots that were foiled and discouraged." Yeah, no. Proof or it didn't happen (and incidentally, the FSB does provide proof of foiled terror plots in Russia, and so did the KGB, so it's not just pragmatic secrecy). And I won't go into the less defensible, more radical positions of the left (e.g. forced multiculturalism, most of what Nyxisto posts, etc.) because both the left and the right have their obvious crazies. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Donald Trump's campaign announced Thursday that the presumptive Republican nominee has forgiven approximately $50 million he has made in loans to his presidential effort, keeping with his vow to rule out using campaign contributions to repay himself. “I have absolutely no intention of paying myself back for the nearly $50 million dollars I have loaned to the campaign," Trump said in a statement. "This money is a contribution made in order to 'Make America Great Again." The campaign also played up its burgeoning fundraising operation, which between the campaign and joint fundraising agreements with the Republican National Committee and state parties raised $5 million in online donations between Tuesday morning and Wednesday evening. By Thursday morning, national finance chairman Steve Mnuchin told CNBC's "Squawk Box" that number is now at $6 million online. "[Trump] loaned $50 million to the campaign. He's now forgiven that loan. So that is a contribution," Mnuchin told CNBC. "[Trump] has also said he will contribute significantly more money." Trump's campaign had only $1.3 million on hand at the start of the month, a small fraction of the $42.5 million held by Hillary Clinton. Source | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
As for the rest, well I just try to get along with people and accept I am woefully ill equipped to critique most of their culture. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24483 Posts
On June 24 2016 02:58 SK.Testie wrote: That was quick. Did they accomplish anything? I think I gave them too much credit when I thought background checks might get passed. | ||
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IgnE
United States7684 Posts
On June 24 2016 05:45 Plansix wrote: Yeah, I disagree with the core of your argument. Liberals accept that there are systematic problems in Islam that must be address. I accept it and I am very progressive on the front of religion. But I don’t address those systematic problems aggressively or forcefully enough, which you appear to disapprove of. As for the rest, well I just try to get along with people and accept I am woefully ill equipped to critique most of their culture. So do you think a group of people who openly declare that they will never get along with you is a problem? Is it a problem of culture? | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 24 2016 06:09 IgnE wrote: So do you think a group of people who openly declare that they will never get along with you is a problem? Is it a problem of culture? Define "group of people" please. Like which group, specifically? | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On June 24 2016 06:00 GreenHorizons wrote: Did they accomplish anything? I think I gave them too much credit when I thought background checks might get passed. Accomplish anything? Don't think so. The most they learned from the stunt is that sitting on the ground for extended periods of time is uncomfortable and pains the buttocks. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
sit in restarts when congress gets back | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
So everyone saying his finances are failing and he's just in this to scam more money out of it, do you still genuinely believe this? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22683 Posts
On June 24 2016 07:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote: So everyone saying his finances are failing and he's just in this to scam more money out of it, do you still genuinely believe this? I never believed he was scamming (I know others have eluded to it) and I still don't believe he is spending his own money. This would not be the first time that he said he would do something and then didn't until pressured into it by the press (like his veteran donation drive where some charities reported they did not receive any money until after the press starting asking where the money went). Once the entire election is over and the campaign finances have been resolved. If he has not been repaid his loan by then I will gladly admit he helped fund his own campaign. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
And all this is a maybe, he could be full of shit. He forgave a loan to himself. I do that every time I buy coffee when I should have made it at home. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On June 24 2016 07:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote: So everyone saying his finances are failing and he's just in this to scam more money out of it, do you still genuinely believe this? I don't think anyone said his finances were failing, just that he was far less rich than he represents. Also, he's funneled a good bit of money back to himself - half a million to Mar a Lago, renting office space from himself, even paying himself a salary. I find the last bit particularly funny. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
"Hilary Clinton is a world-class liar. That much is a fact. But watching the mainstream media, you would never know it." TLDR: Lyingcrookedhilary.com Ohhhh boy. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On June 24 2016 07:50 Mohdoo wrote: Just got a Trump email about some series of videos. The title of the email was "Lying Crooked Hilary" "Hilary Clinton is a world-class liar. That much is a fact. But watching the mainstream media, you would never know it." TLDR: Lyingcrookedhilary.com Ohhhh boy. i tried the link. hilariously it redirects to this: http://lyingcrooked.weebly.com/ | ||
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oBlade
United States6658 Posts
On June 24 2016 07:44 Plansix wrote: Did you see his FEC filing? He funneled millions of that back into his own holdings, including his own private plane. And he spend 200K on hats. I also enjoyed wizbangsolutions.com and the 30K for device services. Their website is informative. And all this is a maybe, he could be full of shit. He forgave a loan to himself. I do that every time I buy coffee when I should have made it at home. Yeah, most of the money was spent on his plane - it's no big surprise that travel expenses accumulate when you're using a private 757 to move around the country. | ||
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