EPTJust put forth terrible plans and then tell everyone who disagrees with you that they are stupid over and over. And get sued 3500 times for your previous terrible plans.
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Just put forth terrible plans and then tell everyone who disagrees with you that they are stupid over and over. And get sued 3500 times for your previous terrible plans. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24151 Posts
Also she's a liar (so is Trump). Again not related to some conspiracy that Hillary supporters like to blame, but because she lies. Bosnia for example, people can dismiss it as not a big deal if they want, but it shows she's a liar and willing to completely fabricate a story to make herself appear better than she is. On top of that, she never owns it when she gets caught. She's always "misspeaking", no one who had any clue would of "misspoke" like she did about Nancy Reagan either, that people buy that excuse to me is no better than people who buy Trump's snake oil. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
- Other countries are not nerfing themselves and will want the same demands and lifestyle as Americans - Other countries populations are exploding at astronomical rates, thus going to need more energy, food, etc, all that Co2 - Why would we nerf our own oil industry, exploration, fracking, etc for environmentalism when the demands of other populations are going to be quite excessive one day. Just kind of reminds me of how scientists were like, 'whoops, now there's 3 trillion trees on earth or so. Waaaaaaaaaay more than we thought.' I'm unsure of whether China's birthrate will actually fall or whether those predictions were made after they said, 'hey you can have more children again'. So considering some other countries won't nerf their industry as hard as we nerf ours, why would we even bother? | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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Shake n Blake
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On June 11 2016 04:24 Plansix wrote: Just put forth terrible plans and then tell everyone who disagrees with you that they are stupid over and over. And get sued 3500 times for your previous terrible plans. Everyone living on the border wants a wall. You're a classic case of, "Shut up, I know better than you who lives there." Oh really? + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Edit: Please spoiler youtube videos. Thank you. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
"We've ignored them forever. They don't matter. Rural idiots." Dang. Those are your countrymen. I hope Trump wins. Because he at least listens to his countrymen. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On June 11 2016 04:24 Plansix wrote: I love that Trumps policies fall into this mythical vision area where people can’t question them. And when they do, they are just pissed off because they are so good. Like the people saying that his wall is the dumbest plan ever just can’t see the beauty of it. And that we are going to hinder ourselves by developing new energy means, even though experts say it could be the next industry for the US. Just put forth terrible plans and then tell everyone who disagrees with you that they are stupid over and over. And get sued 3500 times for your previous terrible plans. At least people know Trump's policies, I'm sure 90% of Hillary supporters have no clue whats going on except for 'Trump is wrong, Clinton is right'. edit: Just look at Clinton's foreign policy speech, basically 40min of talking about Trump. She has no policies. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 11 2016 04:35 zeo wrote: At least people know Trump's policies, I'm sure 90% of Hillary supporters have no clue whats going on except for 'Trump is wrong, Clinton is right'. I hear 87% of Trump supporters use strawman arguments at least 63% of the time. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On June 11 2016 04:37 Plansix wrote: I hear 87% of Trump supporters use strawman arguments at least 63% of the time. You have no idea what her policies are without google-ing them. And I'm not sure google could help you find them anyway. Ask anyone on the street what Trump's policies are and you'll get: Build a wall (immigration), trade (economy), make deals not enemies (foreign policy) Ask them about Clinton and what will they answer that doesn't include Trumps name? 'Idk, whatever Obama is doing' | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On June 11 2016 04:34 SK.Testie wrote: To clarify I'm no climate change denier. But considering the demands upcoming in the future I see it as more of a drop in the bucket. Kind of like how everyone thinks eating bugs is a good idea for food just not for themselves to solve the whole eating animals crisis. Inhumane treatment, co2, etc... "We've ignored them forever. They don't matter. Rural idiots." Dang. Those are your countrymen. I hope Trump wins. Because he at least listens to his countrymen. It's some of my countrymen. It is an insignificant part and is also generally less educated. Letting a fringe group of uneducated people determine policy is typically a bad idea. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24151 Posts
On June 11 2016 04:34 SK.Testie wrote: To clarify I'm no climate change denier. But considering the demands upcoming in the future I see it as more of a drop in the bucket. Kind of like how everyone thinks eating bugs is a good idea for food just not for themselves. "We've ignored them forever. They don't matter. Rural idiots." Dang. Those are your countrymen. That's your modern day Democrat party. On the VP talk, Hillary would pick a successor for the VP slot, so there's no way it's Warren or Sanders. It will be another corporate Democrat who will also defend big business from the masses. It's going to be Tim Kaine unless she's polling really poorly, in which case it may be Julian Castro. | ||
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oBlade
United States6325 Posts
On June 11 2016 04:24 Plansix wrote: I love that Trumps policies fall into this mythical vision area where people can’t question them. And when they do, they are just pissed off because they are so good. Like the people saying that his wall is the dumbest plan ever just can’t see the beauty of it. And that we are going to hinder ourselves by developing new energy means, even though experts say it could be the next industry for the US. Just put forth terrible plans and then tell everyone who disagrees with you that they are stupid over and over. And get sued 3500 times for your previous terrible plans. You may have issues with numbers. He/companies have been the defendant around 1500 times. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/01/donald-trump-lawsuits-legal-battles/84995854/ Among those cases with a clear resolution, Trump's side was the apparent victor in 451 and the loser in 38. In about 500 cases, judges dismissed plaintiffs' claims against Trump. Take away the reality distortion lens and it reads like "Famous rich person often goes to court, usually wins." | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 11 2016 04:39 zeo wrote: You have no idea what her policies are without google-ing them. And I'm not sure google could help you find them anyway. Ask anyone on the street what Trump's policies are and you'll get: Build a wall (immigration), trade (economy), make deals not enemies (foreign policy) Ask them about Clinton and what will they answer that doesn't include Trumps name? 'Idk, whatever Obama is doing' You are correct that his policies are so simplistic and lacking in substance that a 5 year old could memorize them. I like the “make deals, not enemies” one the best. Its right up there with the “have a better idea than everyone else” business plan. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On June 11 2016 04:39 zeo wrote: You have no idea what her policies are without google-ing them. And I'm not sure google could help you find them anyway. Ask anyone on the street what Trump's policies are and you'll get: Build a wall (immigration), trade (economy), make deals not enemies (foreign policy) Ask them about Clinton and what will they answer that doesn't include Trumps name? 'Idk, whatever Obama is doing' You think being able to sum your policies up in a tweet is a good thing? "make deals not enemies" wtf does this even mean? | ||
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The Bottle
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Everybody knows that there is a lot of illegal immigration. I don't think that fact is in dispute, unless someone can point me otherwise. So it's not about the fact of the phenomenon, but rather, how we should react to it. Is it that some people think that coming to reside in the country without going through the immigration process shouldn't be illegal? Because as it is right now, it is a crime, and it's happening in abundance. It is usually very sensible for someone to say "this crime that is happening very often needs to be worked on, so that we can make sure the crime happens less often." Is it a matter of priority? (i.e. that people think it's not enough of a problem that it deserves our focus.) I'm just very confused about the climate of our political discussion where somebody has to tread extremely carefully when they're referring to illegal immigration as a problem. On June 11 2016 04:32 Mohdoo wrote: Why should any of us care about what people along the border want? If we listened to what rural areas wanted, we wouldn't have national parks. They don't matter. We've ignored them forever and I don't anticipate we have a reason to stop that now. The Bundy idiots here in Oregon didn't know how to use the land. Not that I'm for the idea building a wall (I'm not), but I absolutely, 100% disagree with what you just said. First of all, at the very least we should give exactly as much credibility to what people say in the south to what people say anywhere else, since they are a citizen of the country and have the right to have a say in what goes on. But furthermore, they are the ones that suffer the consequences of people illegally immigrating to the US from Mexico more than anyone else in the country. For example, there is a lot more cartel activity in the southern states than anywhere else, as you can see from the DEA figures. https://www.dea.gov/docs/dir06515.pdf Even if I don't agree with most of the South's policy opinions compared to the more northern states, I would still lend more credibility to their opinion of the harms of illegal immigration than I would to other citizens, for the same reason that I would lend more credibility to the opinions on the harms of fracking to people whose town's water supply was tainted by such. | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On June 11 2016 04:43 oBlade wrote: You may have issues with numbers. He/companies have been the defendant around 1500 times. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/01/donald-trump-lawsuits-legal-battles/84995854/ Take away the reality distortion lens and it reads like "Famous rich person often goes to court, usually wins." Ooooh burned. Cant wait for Plansix's response. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On June 11 2016 04:29 Shake n Blake wrote: I know Trump is currently playing 4D chess by using Obama's 2008 campaign ads to attack Crooked Hillary, but if he uses this video in a new attack ad, Hillary is finished. She literally agrees with everything Trump has been saying in regards to illegal immigration and securing national borders, which has been painted as one of Trump's most controversial issues by the MSM. This sort of flip-flopping puts Mitt Romney to shame. + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uXJ1mgkyF0 Testie already posted that in this thread. There's nothing in there about a border-long wall, nor is there anything about mass deportation. Those are the most controversial immigration positions Trump has. Unless you think the left's current position is that we shouldn't have borders. Which is not at all what the position of the left is. To the extent that Trump's plans are "we should have borders" she clearly agrees with them, but that's kind of not the exclusive domain of Trump. | ||
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