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On June 02 2016 06:39 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2016 06:37 Plansix wrote:On June 02 2016 06:32 KwarK wrote:On June 02 2016 06:31 SK.Testie wrote:
Rich use it to expand their empire and buy out competitors and other businesses.
Ok, they've spent the money. A few others have gotten rich because of their acquisitions but not nearly rich enough to threaten their oligarchy. Now what? Everybody dies. Seem legit. We failed, the end times come and the feminist robot overlords take control. I think the idea is more along the lines of "everyone dies, just have estate taxes high enough so the rich only stay rich for one generation, unless each generation actually does stuff to stay rich"
My version was way more fun. But you were right about the post above. Once enough of the poor and middle class truly believe the game is rigged, they won’t want to play by the rules any more. And that is how things like the French Revolution happen over the price of bread.
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On June 02 2016 06:41 ticklishmusic wrote:Judge Rejects Sanders Supporters' Voting SuitShow nested quote + "There is absolutely no showing of a federal violation. That more information might be available in one county over another does not rise to the level of equal protection," Alsup said. "Citizens of California are smart enough to know what their rights are. I'm giving my order now so you can get your writ to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals and then the United States Supreme Court, then the International Court of the Hague. But you're done in federal court." Top kek
I love pissed off Judges slapping down bullshit filings. Top marks for bringing up the Hague just to point out how silly they are being.
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Haven't followed the stolen vote issue too closely. There was a meme around about exit polls about the Republican side (except for Texas) being almost 100% accurate. But the exit polls for the Dems side being horridly inaccurate. Something something an investigation is supposed to happen if it's outside a certain %.
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On June 02 2016 04:59 xDaunt wrote:No, you're not. This post below says all we need to hear about the degree of good faith with which you're approaching the conversation: Show nested quote +On June 02 2016 01:16 Biff The Understudy wrote:On June 02 2016 00:15 xDaunt wrote:On June 02 2016 00:08 Rebs wrote:On June 01 2016 23:54 xDaunt wrote:On June 01 2016 23:34 Vin{MBL} wrote:This email has been public for a few months. I think the better evidence they have is when the server was under attack from hackers multiple times and they failed to report it to the dept. Can be considered "gross negligence" by any resonable person. I generally agree with that. Still, the problem for Hillary is that she's been caught in yet another lie. ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAgh-LUUsAAlY71.jpg) + Show Spoiler + Presuming that the Bush administration did something wrong, it's a moot point when you're not caught. Hillary's problem is that she's been caught. That sounds horrible. Trump is lying about every time he opens his mouth, and when Bush administration lied, it was to engage the country in an illegal disastrous war. But hey, emails! Do you realize you are obsessed about something no one with a straight mind gives a damn about? This email thing is a non issue, and you seem to think that it's the single most important thing in this race. No one cares, and no, it's not a good argument to make Hillary "crooked". Find a better scandal, or start discussing actual policy, like the wall your champion wants to build, the ban on all muslims, the default of American debt, the use of torture and killing on civilian or the denial of global warming. That worries be a tiny bit more than what server Hillary used. But in desperation......
I'm really skeptical you can back up your claim; however, I am willing to learn things I don't know. How is Hillary corrupt?
Words mean something. If you say she is corrupt, please provide evidence. And using an email server you shouldn't be using is not corruption, regardless of how serious you want the case to be. That's just not what it means. So I repeat, where is your evidence?
You talk about good faith, but all you've been doing is to inflate to an absurd extent a minor "scandal" and repeat that Clinton is crooked and corrupt without ever having evidence to support your claim. I know your champion is specialized in insults and taunts, but we can do better than that. So let's discuss like grow ups, don't dodge the question and answer.
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What is it with consistency theorists and red lines? So they cherry picked two sets of exit poll data with conflicting numbers from all the exit poll data collected by news agencies across the country? Who cares? What if they are both wrong and had shitty exit polling in those states? What is real any more?
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On June 02 2016 06:49 SK.Testie wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Haven't followed the stolen vote issue too closely. There was a meme around about exit polls about the Republican side (except for Texas) being almost 100% accurate. But the exit polls for the Dems side being horridly inaccurate. Something something an investigation is supposed to happen if it's outside a certain %.
Here is some info about exit polls
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On June 02 2016 06:55 Plansix wrote:
What is it with consistency theorists and red lines? So they cherry picked two sets of exit poll data with conflicting numbers from all the exit poll data collected by news agencies across the country? Who cares? What if they are both wrong and had shitty exit polling in those states? What is real any more?
Oliver called the election “Clowntown Fuck-the-World Shitshow 2016.” He has a point.
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On June 02 2016 06:29 Plansix wrote:
Seizing capital they already have is not the plan and never should be. But they have to spend that money to do something with it and they have incomes, all which can be taxed.
Why should it not be the plan to expropriate?
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On June 02 2016 07:07 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2016 06:55 Plansix wrote:
What is it with consistency theorists and red lines? So they cherry picked two sets of exit poll data with conflicting numbers from all the exit poll data collected by news agencies across the country? Who cares? What if they are both wrong and had shitty exit polling in those states? What is real any more? Oliver called the election “Clowntown Fuck-the-World Shitshow 2016.” He has a point.
That's not news... or it shouldn't be since it isn't anything new. Everyone who is regularly votes knows the system is shit, and no real reason to think the shit conspires against any candidate except in the sense that many Trump and Bernie supporters voted for first time in their life and goes WTF is this shit... If enough will comes out of the shitshow to fix this shit, then that's something I can get behind of.
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“I came across your instructions on the abortion pill and decided to use it for an at home abortion after finding pills online. I took the pills 2.5 weeks ago and am still cramping and bleeding sometimes mildly sometimes heavily, please I would like some advice on what I can do to help me heal faster.”
Peg Johnston estimates that her abortion clinic receives an email such as this once every month. This one, which arrived 11 May, reads the same as so many of the others. “You can often hear that desperation when you talk to them,” Johnston said. “Women who are pregnant and don’t want to be are desperate. They will do pretty much anything.”
Five years into a wave of anti-abortion legislation that is without historical precedent, Johnston is not surprised. In fact, she is part of a rising chorus of abortion providers and activists who wonder if they are witnessing, as a direct result of those laws, a spike in women who are attempting to take matters into their own hands.
In the south, abortion providers frequently encounter women who have tried taking misoprostol, an abortifacient that is only available in abortion clinics in the US but is available and inexpensive in most Mexican pharmacies. Myths circulate online about the ability of herbal extracts or over-the-counter products, some of which pose a health risk, to cause a miscarriage.
A volunteer, Emily Rooke-Ley, who operates a hotline for minors seeking an abortion in Texas, recently spoke to a teenager who couldn’t pay for her abortion and tried drinking “loads of vitamin C” instead.
There are phone calls about substances that carry warning labels for pregnancy: “‘What if I drank a whole bottle of this-or-that?’” said Sue Postal, who recently closed her clinic in Toledo. Others take more drastic measures, such as the young woman in Postal’s clinic whose boyfriend had punched her in the stomach as hard as he could – at the woman’s insistence.
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On June 02 2016 07:18 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2016 06:29 Plansix wrote:
Seizing capital they already have is not the plan and never should be. But they have to spend that money to do something with it and they have incomes, all which can be taxed. Why should it not be the plan to expropriate?
Because the western world is built upon certain human rights and would crumble to pieces if they were dismantled, as some extreme leftist, like yourself aparently, are trying or willing to do.
Feel free to look at Venezuela and see what happens when you start expropiating things.
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For Donald Trump, the PGA Tour's announcement that they're relocating an event from his Trump National Doral Miami resort to Mexico City next year is a sign of “what’s going on with our country.”
Cadillac declined to renew its sponsorship of the World Golf Championship, which has been held at the Doral site since 1962, prompting the relocation, ESPN reported Wednesday.
“Cadillac's been a great sponsor, but they're moving it to Mexico,” Trump said in a Tuesday night interview on Fox News. “They're moving it to Mexico City which, by the way, I hope they have kidnapping insurance.”
"They're moving it to Mexico City,” he continued. “And I'm saying, you know, what's going on here? It is so sad when you look at what's going on with our country."
The Trump organization acquired the property in 2012. According to ESPN, the PGA in 2013 announced a 10-year contract extension to hold the event at Doral, but since the deal was contingent on sponsorship, it was invalidated once Cadillac pulled out.
Event chairman Butch Buchholz told the Miami Herald that the PGA organizers were reluctant to leave the Doral site.
"I believe they are sincere when they said they didn't want to leave an event with a 54-year history,'' Buchholz said. "They've got an obligation to their board and they couldn't find a sponsor, so they had to move. They don't have a choice. [The PGA Tour] didn't have a choice. If you don't have a sponsor what can you do?''
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Trump's bravado actually ends up isolating and hurting American interests? Wait, that makes no sense!
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On June 02 2016 11:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +For Donald Trump, the PGA Tour's announcement that they're relocating an event from his Trump National Doral Miami resort to Mexico City next year is a sign of “what’s going on with our country.”
Cadillac declined to renew its sponsorship of the World Golf Championship, which has been held at the Doral site since 1962, prompting the relocation, ESPN reported Wednesday.
“Cadillac's been a great sponsor, but they're moving it to Mexico,” Trump said in a Tuesday night interview on Fox News. “They're moving it to Mexico City which, by the way, I hope they have kidnapping insurance.”
"They're moving it to Mexico City,” he continued. “And I'm saying, you know, what's going on here? It is so sad when you look at what's going on with our country."
The Trump organization acquired the property in 2012. According to ESPN, the PGA in 2013 announced a 10-year contract extension to hold the event at Doral, but since the deal was contingent on sponsorship, it was invalidated once Cadillac pulled out.
Event chairman Butch Buchholz told the Miami Herald that the PGA organizers were reluctant to leave the Doral site.
"I believe they are sincere when they said they didn't want to leave an event with a 54-year history,'' Buchholz said. "They've got an obligation to their board and they couldn't find a sponsor, so they had to move. They don't have a choice. [The PGA Tour] didn't have a choice. If you don't have a sponsor what can you do?'' Source
My god... I can't believe I'm doing this... But I can't help but notice that they left out that Cadillac is owned by GM which also happens to own MSNBC. But the PGA and Cadillac have a good explanation for why that doesn't matter.
More importantly, they only linked (instead of mentioning the detail) to the article that had this:
Cadillac had requested significantly less money to renew at the Trump Doral, said Ed Williamson, owner of a local Cadillac dealership who said he was mingling with Trump and top Cadillac executives during the final day of this year's tournament. Williamson said the original deal cost Cadillac about $14 million a year, but the luxury auto maker offered $6 million to renew at Doral.
Cadillac and the PGA Tour reached the first agreement while Tiger Woods still fueled rocketing PGA finances despite crashing his Cadillac Escalade on Nov. 26, 2009, while running from a wife who’d discovered his infidelities. The past few years, dealing with injuries and an erratic game, Woods has barely played.
"We don't have the Tiger effect right now," Williamson said. "It's an extraordinary event, and we get a lot of exposure for it. But the whole event is not worth $14 million."
Seems like a pretty important detail to leave out, unless of course the point is to leave it out to make Trump look bad for something he's not responsible for.
On June 02 2016 12:17 Mohdoo wrote:
Trump's bravado actually ends up isolating and hurting American interests? Wait, that makes no sense!
And there you have it.
EDIT: I guess I should probably put Trump's campaigns statement about it here too since they went there as well with this.
In a statement released through The Trump Organization, Trump said, “It is a sad day for Miami, the United States and the game of golf, to have the PGA Tour consider moving the World Golf Championships, which has been hosted in Miami for the last 55 years, to Mexico. No different than Nabisco, Carrier and so many other American companies, the PGA Tour has put profit ahead of thousands of American jobs, millions of dollars in revenue for local communities and charities and the enjoyment of hundreds of thousands of fans who make the tournament an annual tradition. This decision only further embodies the very reason I am running for President of the United States."
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On June 02 2016 10:53 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2016 07:18 Paljas wrote:On June 02 2016 06:29 Plansix wrote:
Seizing capital they already have is not the plan and never should be. But they have to spend that money to do something with it and they have incomes, all which can be taxed. Why should it not be the plan to expropriate? Because the western world is built upon certain human rights and would crumble to pieces if they were dismantled, as some extreme leftist, like yourself aparently, are trying or willing to do. Feel free to look at Venezuela and see what happens when you start expropiating things.
Which human rights are being dismantled? Can you cite the Universal Declaration of Human Rights?
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On June 02 2016 13:11 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2016 10:53 GoTuNk! wrote:On June 02 2016 07:18 Paljas wrote:On June 02 2016 06:29 Plansix wrote:
Seizing capital they already have is not the plan and never should be. But they have to spend that money to do something with it and they have incomes, all which can be taxed. Why should it not be the plan to expropriate? Because the western world is built upon certain human rights and would crumble to pieces if they were dismantled, as some extreme leftist, like yourself aparently, are trying or willing to do. Feel free to look at Venezuela and see what happens when you start expropiating things. Which human rights are being dismantled? Can you cite the Universal Declaration of Human Rights?
The right to property or right to own property (cf. ownership) is often classified as a human right for natural persons regarding their possessions. A general recognition of a right to private property is found more rarely, and is typically heavily constrained insofar as property is owned by legal persons (i.e. corporations) and where it is used for production rather than consumption.[1]
A right to property is recognised in Article 17 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights but is not recognised in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights or the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights.[2] The European Convention on Human Rights, in Protocol 1, article 1 acknowledges a right for natural and legal persons to "peaceful enjoyment of his possessions", subject to the "general interest or to secure the payment of taxes".
Article 17:
"(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others."
"(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property"[4]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_property
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It's not arbitrary if it's systematic expropriation.
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Pretty interesting listen the other day on the Diane Rehm show. A nice discussion about the rise of the far right in both Europe and the US. A lot of talk specifically about Fascism and whether it is what we're seeing.
http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2016-06-01/the-rise-of-far-right-political-movements-in-the-west
If you don't have time to listen to the whole thing, in the last few minutes of the show a die hard Trump supporter calls in. His statement and the response from the panel are pretty fun.
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A good article about chinese property investors who spend billions of dollars on overseas real estate last year tranio.com. Guess who is the first in top five countries for Chinese investments? In 2015, Chinese buyers spent about USD 28.6 bln on residential property in the U.S. On average, Chinese spend USD 831,000 per house, compared to just USD 499,600 for other international citizens and USD 232,500 for Americans.
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On June 02 2016 15:04 On_Slaught wrote:Pretty interesting listen the other day on the Diane Rehm show. A nice discussion about the rise of the far right in both Europe and the US. A lot of talk specifically about Fascism and whether it is what we're seeing. http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2016-06-01/the-rise-of-far-right-political-movements-in-the-west If you don't have time to listen to the whole thing, in the last few minutes of the show a die hard Trump supporter calls in. His statement and the response from the panel are pretty fun.
Well there is a transcript, and the last few minutes are the run-of-the-mill catchphrases, buzzwords, false causes and strawmans you would expect.
Googleing the names of those people on the panel made my morning I laughed so hard. Thanks for this.
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