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On May 05 2016 08:38 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2016 08:30 On_Slaught wrote:
I thought Trump was self funded and wouldn't take donations since he is beholden to nobody? I mean, what's 1billion dollars with somebody who has TEN BILLION in cold hard cash sitting in the bank, right? Most of that is the value of his brand which not be possible to liquidate. He loaned his campaign money in the first so I think it'll be interesting to see if he ends up funding his own campaign or if he is going to repay himself with donations.
Its not his campaign to fund anymore, its the GOP's.
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On May 05 2016 08:38 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2016 08:29 Mohdoo wrote:On May 05 2016 08:24 zeo wrote:On May 05 2016 08:14 The_Templar wrote:On May 05 2016 08:11 zeo wrote:
I read that Trump said he is going to raise a billion dollars for the general election, so I looked up how much the parties spent in the last election... a billion dollars each...
A billion dollars each.... what the hell do they spend it on? I mean unless you go full Jeb what the hell, a billion dollars. Aren't ads really expensive? I don't think ads are that important in modern politics, at least with the Trump campaign. He has spent far less money than the other candidates and gotten so much more space. Makes you wonder what will happen when he has to spend a billion dollars. Still, looking at how hyped this GE is going to be even two billion doesn't sound far-fetched. edit: Wonder how much special edition GOP MAGA hats he is going to sell... can he still sell hats? (there is a Gabe pun somewhere in there) I'm buying at least 2 MAGA hats. I wanted to get one during the primaries but you need someone in the US to buy it for you so it was too much of a hassle  Hope laws are different for the general. Show nested quote +On May 05 2016 08:34 Naracs_Duc wrote:On May 05 2016 08:11 zeo wrote:
I read that Trump said he is going to raise a billion dollars for the general election, so I looked up how much the parties spent in the last election... a billion dollars each...
A billion dollars each.... what the hell do they spend it on? I mean unless you go full Jeb what the hell, a billion dollars. Imagine you were paying people above minimum wage for a year. And you have hundreds of people per county, thousands of people per state. And since this is campaigns and not 9-5, you're paying a staff 7 days a week. You now have a team bigger than most tech companies, all needing compensation, marketing materials, office space (campaign HQ's don't just pay for themselves you know) and you need this to last the year of the primary, and then the general. As things escalate TV ads become important costing much $$, daily plane flights and last minute stops (Ever bought a plane ticket a day before your flight? Now do that 3-4 times a week on a slow week) Everything adds up. Campaign finance is well and good but sometimes you need to get people payed. Yeah I can see where you are coming from with that but still... elections seem to be big business in the US.
Im imagining renting an office in San Francisco CA to be the local HQ. $1000 a month? Do that for every big city, that's about ~100 locations? 100,000/month just on rental space alone? 5 million per month stretched across the different states? 55million for just a year of campaigning? Thats assuming just empty offices.
It adds up QUICK even BEFORE you get to the big business issues. (Which there are)
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On May 05 2016 08:43 Naracs_Duc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2016 08:38 zeo wrote:On May 05 2016 08:29 Mohdoo wrote:On May 05 2016 08:24 zeo wrote:On May 05 2016 08:14 The_Templar wrote:On May 05 2016 08:11 zeo wrote:
I read that Trump said he is going to raise a billion dollars for the general election, so I looked up how much the parties spent in the last election... a billion dollars each...
A billion dollars each.... what the hell do they spend it on? I mean unless you go full Jeb what the hell, a billion dollars. Aren't ads really expensive? I don't think ads are that important in modern politics, at least with the Trump campaign. He has spent far less money than the other candidates and gotten so much more space. Makes you wonder what will happen when he has to spend a billion dollars. Still, looking at how hyped this GE is going to be even two billion doesn't sound far-fetched. edit: Wonder how much special edition GOP MAGA hats he is going to sell... can he still sell hats? (there is a Gabe pun somewhere in there) I'm buying at least 2 MAGA hats. I wanted to get one during the primaries but you need someone in the US to buy it for you so it was too much of a hassle Hope laws are different for the general. On May 05 2016 08:34 Naracs_Duc wrote:On May 05 2016 08:11 zeo wrote:
I read that Trump said he is going to raise a billion dollars for the general election, so I looked up how much the parties spent in the last election... a billion dollars each...
A billion dollars each.... what the hell do they spend it on? I mean unless you go full Jeb what the hell, a billion dollars. Imagine you were paying people above minimum wage for a year. And you have hundreds of people per county, thousands of people per state. And since this is campaigns and not 9-5, you're paying a staff 7 days a week. You now have a team bigger than most tech companies, all needing compensation, marketing materials, office space (campaign HQ's don't just pay for themselves you know) and you need this to last the year of the primary, and then the general. As things escalate TV ads become important costing much $$, daily plane flights and last minute stops (Ever bought a plane ticket a day before your flight? Now do that 3-4 times a week on a slow week) Everything adds up. Campaign finance is well and good but sometimes you need to get people payed. Yeah I can see where you are coming from with that but still... elections seem to be big business in the US. Im imagining renting an office in San Francisco CA to be the local HQ. $1000 a month? Do that for every big city, that's about ~100 locations? 100,000/month just on rental space alone? 5 million per month stretched across the different states? 55million for just a year of campaigning? Thats assuming just empty offices. It adds up QUICK even BEFORE you get to the big business issues. (Which there are)
I'm not sure how large the office you're renting is, but you're looking at 5 figures at least. You probably can't even get a shitty apartment in San Francisco for a grand a month.
You're not going to have 100 offices per state though.
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On May 05 2016 08:45 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2016 08:43 Naracs_Duc wrote:On May 05 2016 08:38 zeo wrote:On May 05 2016 08:29 Mohdoo wrote:On May 05 2016 08:24 zeo wrote:On May 05 2016 08:14 The_Templar wrote:On May 05 2016 08:11 zeo wrote:
I read that Trump said he is going to raise a billion dollars for the general election, so I looked up how much the parties spent in the last election... a billion dollars each...
A billion dollars each.... what the hell do they spend it on? I mean unless you go full Jeb what the hell, a billion dollars. Aren't ads really expensive? I don't think ads are that important in modern politics, at least with the Trump campaign. He has spent far less money than the other candidates and gotten so much more space. Makes you wonder what will happen when he has to spend a billion dollars. Still, looking at how hyped this GE is going to be even two billion doesn't sound far-fetched. edit: Wonder how much special edition GOP MAGA hats he is going to sell... can he still sell hats? (there is a Gabe pun somewhere in there) I'm buying at least 2 MAGA hats. I wanted to get one during the primaries but you need someone in the US to buy it for you so it was too much of a hassle Hope laws are different for the general. On May 05 2016 08:34 Naracs_Duc wrote:On May 05 2016 08:11 zeo wrote:
I read that Trump said he is going to raise a billion dollars for the general election, so I looked up how much the parties spent in the last election... a billion dollars each...
A billion dollars each.... what the hell do they spend it on? I mean unless you go full Jeb what the hell, a billion dollars. Imagine you were paying people above minimum wage for a year. And you have hundreds of people per county, thousands of people per state. And since this is campaigns and not 9-5, you're paying a staff 7 days a week. You now have a team bigger than most tech companies, all needing compensation, marketing materials, office space (campaign HQ's don't just pay for themselves you know) and you need this to last the year of the primary, and then the general. As things escalate TV ads become important costing much $$, daily plane flights and last minute stops (Ever bought a plane ticket a day before your flight? Now do that 3-4 times a week on a slow week) Everything adds up. Campaign finance is well and good but sometimes you need to get people payed. Yeah I can see where you are coming from with that but still... elections seem to be big business in the US. Im imagining renting an office in San Francisco CA to be the local HQ. $1000 a month? Do that for every big city, that's about ~100 locations? 100,000/month just on rental space alone? 5 million per month stretched across the different states? 55million for just a year of campaigning? Thats assuming just empty offices. It adds up QUICK even BEFORE you get to the big business issues. (Which there are) I'm not sure how large the office you're renting is, but you're looking at 5 figures at least. You probably can't even get a shitty apartment in San Francisco for a grand a month. You're not going to have 100 offices per state though.
Lets cut that in half then (assuming a lot less offices but office space is more expensive)
So you have about 20-25 million just to have a presence in the 50 states? 1/4 your budget and all you have are empty rooms?
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On May 05 2016 08:50 Naracs_Duc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2016 08:45 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On May 05 2016 08:43 Naracs_Duc wrote:On May 05 2016 08:38 zeo wrote:On May 05 2016 08:29 Mohdoo wrote:On May 05 2016 08:24 zeo wrote:On May 05 2016 08:14 The_Templar wrote:On May 05 2016 08:11 zeo wrote:
I read that Trump said he is going to raise a billion dollars for the general election, so I looked up how much the parties spent in the last election... a billion dollars each...
A billion dollars each.... what the hell do they spend it on? I mean unless you go full Jeb what the hell, a billion dollars. Aren't ads really expensive? I don't think ads are that important in modern politics, at least with the Trump campaign. He has spent far less money than the other candidates and gotten so much more space. Makes you wonder what will happen when he has to spend a billion dollars. Still, looking at how hyped this GE is going to be even two billion doesn't sound far-fetched. edit: Wonder how much special edition GOP MAGA hats he is going to sell... can he still sell hats? (there is a Gabe pun somewhere in there) I'm buying at least 2 MAGA hats. I wanted to get one during the primaries but you need someone in the US to buy it for you so it was too much of a hassle Hope laws are different for the general. On May 05 2016 08:34 Naracs_Duc wrote:On May 05 2016 08:11 zeo wrote:
I read that Trump said he is going to raise a billion dollars for the general election, so I looked up how much the parties spent in the last election... a billion dollars each...
A billion dollars each.... what the hell do they spend it on? I mean unless you go full Jeb what the hell, a billion dollars. Imagine you were paying people above minimum wage for a year. And you have hundreds of people per county, thousands of people per state. And since this is campaigns and not 9-5, you're paying a staff 7 days a week. You now have a team bigger than most tech companies, all needing compensation, marketing materials, office space (campaign HQ's don't just pay for themselves you know) and you need this to last the year of the primary, and then the general. As things escalate TV ads become important costing much $$, daily plane flights and last minute stops (Ever bought a plane ticket a day before your flight? Now do that 3-4 times a week on a slow week) Everything adds up. Campaign finance is well and good but sometimes you need to get people payed. Yeah I can see where you are coming from with that but still... elections seem to be big business in the US. Im imagining renting an office in San Francisco CA to be the local HQ. $1000 a month? Do that for every big city, that's about ~100 locations? 100,000/month just on rental space alone? 5 million per month stretched across the different states? 55million for just a year of campaigning? Thats assuming just empty offices. It adds up QUICK even BEFORE you get to the big business issues. (Which there are) I'm not sure how large the office you're renting is, but you're looking at 5 figures at least. You probably can't even get a shitty apartment in San Francisco for a grand a month. You're not going to have 100 offices per state though. Lets cut that in half then (assuming a lot less offices but office space is more expensive) So you have about 20-25 million just to have a presence in the 50 states? 1/4 your budget and all you have are empty rooms?
I thought both political parties had their own property that they owned in every state? I mean they have headquarters in every state no?
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On May 05 2016 08:38 Naracs_Duc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2016 08:24 zeo wrote:On May 05 2016 08:14 The_Templar wrote:On May 05 2016 08:11 zeo wrote:
I read that Trump said he is going to raise a billion dollars for the general election, so I looked up how much the parties spent in the last election... a billion dollars each...
A billion dollars each.... what the hell do they spend it on? I mean unless you go full Jeb what the hell, a billion dollars. Aren't ads really expensive? I don't think ads are that important in modern politics, at least with the Trump campaign. He has spent far less money than the other candidates and gotten so much more space. Makes you wonder what will happen when he has to spend a billion dollars. Still, looking at how hyped this GE is going to be even two billion doesn't sound far-fetched. edit: Wonder how much special edition GOP MAGA hats he is going to sell... can he still sell hats? (there is a Gabe pun somewhere in there) He got a lot of free publicity just by saying he'd shoot terrorists with pigs blood. He knows how to game the media and allows him to get free publicity. Sadly, saying that he wants to deport immigrants won't work so well for him outside of the GOP--so he will need a new catch phrase to use against Hilary. But with the news media now only having 2 candidates--they are not as crunched to have to stretch their airtime amongst 19-22 candidates, now it will just be 2
It's not in principle a radical idea to deport people from a country when they have no legal status to be residents of it, and voters might not think it's that crazy either: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/immigration/immigration_update
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The US has birthright citizenship, right? what are you gonna do, make a million children orphans? How is this not nuts or radical?
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On May 05 2016 09:01 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2016 08:38 Naracs_Duc wrote:On May 05 2016 08:24 zeo wrote:On May 05 2016 08:14 The_Templar wrote:On May 05 2016 08:11 zeo wrote:
I read that Trump said he is going to raise a billion dollars for the general election, so I looked up how much the parties spent in the last election... a billion dollars each...
A billion dollars each.... what the hell do they spend it on? I mean unless you go full Jeb what the hell, a billion dollars. Aren't ads really expensive? I don't think ads are that important in modern politics, at least with the Trump campaign. He has spent far less money than the other candidates and gotten so much more space. Makes you wonder what will happen when he has to spend a billion dollars. Still, looking at how hyped this GE is going to be even two billion doesn't sound far-fetched. edit: Wonder how much special edition GOP MAGA hats he is going to sell... can he still sell hats? (there is a Gabe pun somewhere in there) He got a lot of free publicity just by saying he'd shoot terrorists with pigs blood. He knows how to game the media and allows him to get free publicity. Sadly, saying that he wants to deport immigrants won't work so well for him outside of the GOP--so he will need a new catch phrase to use against Hilary. But with the news media now only having 2 candidates--they are not as crunched to have to stretch their airtime amongst 19-22 candidates, now it will just be 2 It's not in principle a radical idea to deport people from a country when they have no legal status to be residents of it, and voters might not think it's that crazy either: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/immigration/immigration_update
The issue has become so radically politicized that a majority of the posters around here can't even properly articulate the pro-deportation position.
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Trump can get cash easy with asset based loans or something that is securitized, though it'd be interesting to see how bankers would evaluate it because this is clearly a personal-type loan (albeit a pretty safe one) rather than a business one. I'd be more worried about him being able to set up and run a proper 50 state ground game, be funny if for all his vaunted business acumen he screwed the pooch on that.
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On May 05 2016 09:25 Nyxisto wrote:
The US has birthright citizenship, right? what are you gonna do, make a million children orphans? How is this not nuts or radical?
Are there a million US children born to illegal immigrants? I don't think people should lose custody of their children when deported.
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On May 05 2016 10:00 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2016 09:25 Nyxisto wrote:
The US has birthright citizenship, right? what are you gonna do, make a million children orphans? How is this not nuts or radical? Are there a million US children born to illegal immigrants? I don't think people should lose custody of their children when deported.
So then are you sending all those US citizen children over to mexico with their parents?
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On May 05 2016 07:54 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2016 07:08 Plansix wrote:On May 05 2016 07:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 05 2016 06:34 CannonsNCarriers wrote:On May 05 2016 06:31 oneofthem wrote:
it would really help things if bernie has some sort of legit policy. what kind of platform does he really want to negotiate given his radically antagonistic view of reality?
the reality is that the sensible part of his platform is already in hillary's. what's he gonna want? it's not hillary the republican refusing to negotiate with bernie. a lot of his stuff would seriously harm poor americans and use up valuable resources for unproductive spending. Bernie could negotiate an end to money in Democratic-party-only politics. Right after he gets Hillary to discharge his campaign debt. That's what Obama did and Clinton went back on the getting money out of politics part. No reason to for Sanders to trust Hillary would actually keep her word this time. Pretty sure that was before citizens united blew up and ruined any plan of that for the DNC. GH, you do understand that if they don't accept the funds, they will be orders of magnitude behind the RNC when it comes to budget? By trying to remove the money from the DNC, they could cripple their ability to win seats nation wide, which means the money stays. The amazing thing about Sandernistas is that they don't think further than the primary. Bernie would have to accept money from big donors to win the national elections if he was nominated. Such hypocrisy there. GH's attitude is the most destructive possible for the left: people so convinced by their position that they don't see that the most important is for their side of the spectrum to win. I also would prefer Sanders to win everything. I sincerely like him better than Clinton. And I all for people who support him. But I think that realistically Clinton will be nominated and that for the future, not only of the USA but of the humanity, the left will need to unite behind her. On 99% of the issue the differences between Sanders and Clinton is a question of rhetoric and method. Do we want Clinton or Trump to negociate about global warming? Do we want Clinton or Trump to dictate the geopolitical position of the US? Do we want Clinton or Trump to address the problem of deregulated finance and global capitalism? GH, get real. It's good to be convinced, but at one point one's irresponsibility becomes criminal.
What makes you think "Bernie would have to accept money from big donors"?
If both candidates swore them off then they'd be out. They both have so far, no reason to start taking their money now. As for the number itself, extrapolating from his current donations (more than Hillary) he'd have no problem raising $1 billion +. Which by most estimates, is far more than Trump has or would have as liquid to spend.
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On May 05 2016 10:02 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2016 10:00 oBlade wrote:On May 05 2016 09:25 Nyxisto wrote:
The US has birthright citizenship, right? what are you gonna do, make a million children orphans? How is this not nuts or radical? Are there a million US children born to illegal immigrants? I don't think people should lose custody of their children when deported. So then are you sending all those US citizen children over to mexico with their parents?
more like they'd have custody, and would be free to choose to make the best arrangements for their child. It'd be the parent's choice (within the bounds of law). Some would take their children with them; some would have them stay with a friend/relative who is legally in the US; a few might put the children into the foster care system.
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WASHINGTON — A North Carolina law that bans transgender individuals from using the bathroom that corresponds with their gender identity violates federal civil rights laws by discriminating against students and employees on the basis of sex, the Justice Department told Gov. Pat McCrory (R) on Wednesday.
Vanita Gupta, the head of the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division, wrote a letter that gives McCrory until Monday to confirm that “the State will not comply with or implement HB2,” according to The Charlotte Observer.
Federal officials have previously said that states that fail to give transgender students full access are engaged in discriminatory activity. Last month, the federal appeals court in the 4th Circuit ruled in favor of a transgender high school student who is suing his school board because he was banned from the boys’ bathroom.
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On May 05 2016 10:19 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +WASHINGTON — A North Carolina law that bans transgender individuals from using the bathroom that corresponds with their gender identity violates federal civil rights laws by discriminating against students and employees on the basis of sex, the Justice Department told Gov. Pat McCrory (R) on Wednesday.
Vanita Gupta, the head of the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division, wrote a letter that gives McCrory until Monday to confirm that “the State will not comply with or implement HB2,” according to The Charlotte Observer.
Federal officials have previously said that states that fail to give transgender students full access are engaged in discriminatory activity. Last month, the federal appeals court in the 4th Circuit ruled in favor of a transgender high school student who is suing his school board because he was banned from the boys’ bathroom. Source
The pathetic thing about HB2 is that at this point the legislators have sunk so much political capital into it that if it gets struck down they'll just rewrite it and repass it and no one will pay attention because it won't be as in-your-face about hot button issues. They'll drop the bathroom bit, keep all the other awful stuff, and poof, no media attention.
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On May 05 2016 06:41 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2016 06:36 oneofthem wrote:
all of those are in hillary's platform with actual proposals. so that's not specific enough. for an area already in her platform, you have to propose actual changes. "Your platforms are now my platforms." ~Hillary Clinton
i never read her platform, ever
~you
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On May 05 2016 10:02 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2016 10:00 oBlade wrote:On May 05 2016 09:25 Nyxisto wrote:
The US has birthright citizenship, right? what are you gonna do, make a million children orphans? How is this not nuts or radical? Are there a million US children born to illegal immigrants? I don't think people should lose custody of their children when deported. So then are you sending all those US citizen children over to mexico with their parents?
I will skip clearing up your mistake of thinking all illegal immigrants originate in Mexico for a second because I know it's not the main point - there is such a thing as dual citizenship.
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She has 1000 clips to choose from.
I'm for Trump but these attack ads are going to be a whole new level of great.
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id just dig at his org crime stuff and show how he is a phony with the 100m+ lines of credit he used to get started
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