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RolleMcKnolle
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany1054 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-03 06:46:00
May 03 2016 06:45 GMT
#74341
It's pretty funny how the anti-sanders/pro-hillary hitting squad gets activated whenever someone says anything remotely pro-Sanders. It always seems in their posts as if Hillary is not even remotely able to be corrupt but Sanders is the guy walking into the moral abyss...
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4456 Posts
May 03 2016 07:35 GMT
#74342
Politico : double digit Obamacare insurance hikes one week before election

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/obamacare-rate-hikes-a-looming-political-headache-for-democrats-222663
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 03 2016 08:43 GMT
#74343
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10970 Posts
May 03 2016 11:49 GMT
#74344
On May 03 2016 15:45 RolleMcKnolle wrote:
It's pretty funny how the anti-sanders/pro-hillary hitting squad gets activated whenever someone says anything remotely pro-Sanders. It always seems in their posts as if Hillary is not even remotely able to be corrupt but Sanders is the guy walking into the moral abyss...



Its not like the Sanders supporters are any better. I mean, at this point GH looks to be on some kind of mission attacking Hillary whenever possible for whatever reason there is or could be.
RolleMcKnolle
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany1054 Posts
May 03 2016 12:54 GMT
#74345
On May 03 2016 20:49 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2016 15:45 RolleMcKnolle wrote:
It's pretty funny how the anti-sanders/pro-hillary hitting squad gets activated whenever someone says anything remotely pro-Sanders. It always seems in their posts as if Hillary is not even remotely able to be corrupt but Sanders is the guy walking into the moral abyss...



Its not like the Sanders supporters are any better. I mean, at this point GH looks to be on some kind of mission attacking Hillary whenever possible for whatever reason there is or could be.

You are probably right there, but the pro-Hillary faction has taken over this thread like pro-Sanders has r/politics. So the hillary-bias is just way more prevalent here than the Sanders-bias.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-03 12:59:57
May 03 2016 12:57 GMT
#74346
ive been pretty critical of hillary on a variety of things and there is a bit too much hobnobbing with the cocktail crowd but it is not corruption in the way the fringe thinks of the term.

We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
May 03 2016 13:19 GMT
#74347
On May 03 2016 21:54 RolleMcKnolle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2016 20:49 Velr wrote:
On May 03 2016 15:45 RolleMcKnolle wrote:
It's pretty funny how the anti-sanders/pro-hillary hitting squad gets activated whenever someone says anything remotely pro-Sanders. It always seems in their posts as if Hillary is not even remotely able to be corrupt but Sanders is the guy walking into the moral abyss...



Its not like the Sanders supporters are any better. I mean, at this point GH looks to be on some kind of mission attacking Hillary whenever possible for whatever reason there is or could be.

You are probably right there, but the pro-Hillary faction has taken over this thread like pro-Sanders has r/politics. So the hillary-bias is just way more prevalent here than the Sanders-bias.

Speaking for myself at least, Sanders has been increasingly frustrating. As long as he had a shot, attacks were fine. Once he was conclusively out of the race, attacking Clinton got really childish and changed the way I view him.

Thus idea that superdelegates give him a chance is beyond stupid and I don't think he actually believes it.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-03 14:32:15
May 03 2016 14:30 GMT
#74348
On May 03 2016 21:57 oneofthem wrote:
ive been pretty critical of hillary on a variety of things and there is a bit too much hobnobbing with the cocktail crowd but it is not corruption in the way the fringe thinks of the term.



Hah, no you haven't. You and Mohdoo have been so unbearably biased, arrogant and condescending for weeks now that you are just as bad as GH used to be at the beginning of the race.

I mean shit, I agree that Sanders isn't actually that great of a candidate and all of the posts about him on social media by my friends and peers drive me fucking nuts, but you seriously need some perspective on how you sound.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
May 03 2016 14:44 GMT
#74349
My bad :x
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
May 03 2016 15:20 GMT
#74350
The pendulum is swinging the other way basically
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 03 2016 15:32 GMT
#74351
Many of Detroit's public school teachers have stayed out of the classroom for a second day, protesting a budget shortfall that could mean no pay for hours they've already worked.

Most of the district's 97 schools are closed again while lawmakers debate a longer-term funding and restructuring plan. As The Two-Way has reported, public schools are currently funded only through June. Unless comprehensive spending legislation is passed, teachers who opt to get paid throughout the calendar year will not get paychecks for work done prior to the summer.

That's the case for "well over half of all instruction staff," Michigan Radio's Sarah Cwiek tells our Newscast unit. The Detroit News, citing Detroit Public Schools spokeswoman Michelle Zdrodowski, reports that teachers on the extended pay schedule would potentially miss four paychecks, "costing them an average of $9,700 or 15 percent of their pay."

With more than 1,500 teachers calling in "sick" on Monday, more than 45,000 students were out of school, according to The Associated Press.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
May 03 2016 15:38 GMT
#74352
yes i have on multiple occasions but dont make me dig it up
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 03 2016 15:41 GMT
#74353
Ted Cruz vowed Monday that he’s “in for the distance,” but if the Texas senator loses Indiana on Tuesday he risks big donors abandoning the Stop Trump effort that has spent millions supporting him in battleground states.

More than a half-dozen Republicans involved in the pro-Cruz and anti-Trump push told POLITICO that Indiana is crucial for Cruz to keeping the cash flowing, as skittish donors have grown weary after a string of recent losses.

“If he can’t be stopped in Indiana, you will have a lot of people who just throw up their arms and say, ‘Well, I guess he can’t be stopped,’” said Erick Erickson, an influential Republican activist who has tried to organize anti-Trump forces. “I think the super donors or the megadonors — they stop spending money. They’re not going to get on board Trump, but they’re not going to continue to invest in what they perceive as a lost cause.”

After Trump rolled through the Northeast, winning every county but one in the past six states, the pressure is on Cruz — and it’s showing. Cruz has run through his entire political playbook to save Indiana. His camp, expressing pessimism over the Texas senator's chances, is bracing for staff cuts "at a minimum" if he loses Indiana, an aide told the Associated Press.

He struck a nonaggression pact with John Kasich. He bought TV ads. His supportive super PACs bought TV ads. He blitzed the Sunday shows. He barnstormed the state on a bus tour. He got the governor’s endorsement. He even named his running mate.

And if all that is not enough, it’s not clear what would be — both to anti-Trump donors and to those inside his own campaign.

“If we lose Indiana, we have to do some soul searching,” said one top Cruz adviser, adding things are looking “rough right now.”

Indeed, the most recent poll, an NBC News/Wall Street Journal survey conducted by the Marist Institute and released on Sunday, had Trump ahead of Cruz by 15 points, though previous surveys showed closer margins.
The loss could cost Cruz one of his last remaining advantages: Millions in ad support from groups like the Club for Growth, Our Principles PAC and the pro-Cruz Trusted Leadership PAC.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
May 03 2016 16:26 GMT
#74354
If a poll says Trump wins by 15, I predict him winning by at least 16.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-03 16:36:03
May 03 2016 16:35 GMT
#74355
Trump and probably Clinton are going to be tonight's winners, I think.
On May 03 2016 21:57 oneofthem wrote:
ive been pretty critical of hillary on a variety of things and there is a bit too much hobnobbing with the cocktail crowd but it is not corruption in the way the fringe thinks of the term.


No you haven't.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 03 2016 16:38 GMT
#74356
A sweeping free trade deal being negotiated between the European Union and the United States would lower food safety and environmental standards, Greenpeace said on Monday, citing confidential documents from the talks.

But the European Commission said the documents reflected negotiating positions, not any final outcome, and the EU’s chief negotiator dismissed some of Greenpeace’s points as “flatly wrong.”

The U.S. Trade Representative’s office also rejected them. While it would not comment on the “validity of alleged leaks,” a spokesman said “the interpretations being given to these texts appear to be misleading at best and flat-out wrong at worst.”

Greenpeace opposes the proposed Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP), arguing with other critics that it would hand too much power to big business at the expense of consumers and national governments.

Supporters say the TTIP would deliver more than $100 billion of economic gains on both sides of the Atlantic.

Greenpeace Netherlands published 248 pages of “consolidated texts” for 13 chapters, or about half, of the deal on the website TTIP-leaks.org on Monday. They date from early April, before a round of meetings in New York last week.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18473 Posts
May 03 2016 16:40 GMT
#74357
On May 04 2016 01:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
A sweeping free trade deal being negotiated between the European Union and the United States would lower food safety and environmental standards, Greenpeace said on Monday, citing confidential documents from the talks.

But the European Commission said the documents reflected negotiating positions, not any final outcome, and the EU’s chief negotiator dismissed some of Greenpeace’s points as “flatly wrong.”

The U.S. Trade Representative’s office also rejected them. While it would not comment on the “validity of alleged leaks,” a spokesman said “the interpretations being given to these texts appear to be misleading at best and flat-out wrong at worst.”

Greenpeace opposes the proposed Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP), arguing with other critics that it would hand too much power to big business at the expense of consumers and national governments.

Supporters say the TTIP would deliver more than $100 billion of economic gains on both sides of the Atlantic.

Greenpeace Netherlands published 248 pages of “consolidated texts” for 13 chapters, or about half, of the deal on the website TTIP-leaks.org on Monday. They date from early April, before a round of meetings in New York last week.


Source

Countering hearsay with hearsay is so dumb. Just open the damn TTIP documents already so the public can judge for themselves. Why is something as big and far-reaching as this being kept from the public?

-Signed, a probable proponent of TTIP.
RCMDVA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States708 Posts
May 03 2016 17:11 GMT
#74358
On May 03 2016 16:35 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Politico : double digit Obamacare insurance hikes one week before election

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/obamacare-rate-hikes-a-looming-political-headache-for-democrats-222663


Open enrollment starts today for a lot of folks, the base cost of the three basic choices we have at work for plans for a single person :

High deductible - went from $460 to $510, increase +10.8%
Decent - $560 to $620, increase +10.7%
Good - $620 to $680, increase +9.6%

Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18473 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-03 17:17:14
May 03 2016 17:16 GMT
#74359
That is really expensive insurance (we're talking monthly, right? If that is annual, it is peanuts for health insurance), no wonder this is such a huge topic. That said, this should only blow back on Obamacare if someone can make a convincing argument that the price increases are due to ACA, and would otherwise not have happened.
CannonsNCarriers
Profile Joined April 2010
United States638 Posts
May 03 2016 17:17 GMT
#74360
I think it is better we have zealous arguments. Claiming the other side is on tilt because they are making a point forcefully or in unison muddies the arguments for no gain. If the other side is making strong points, then you should respond, not just complain that the other side is piling on beating you.
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