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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
April 29 2016 02:57 GMT
#74041
the overall employment rate looks ok though, so im curious why this would show something that at a glance seems contrary. i get the "not actually looking for work" thing plays into it, but unsure exactly how it would play into the siuation
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
April 29 2016 03:09 GMT
#74042
there is a lot of good a basic income can do in our present situation. increase portion of economy that gets funneled back into consumption.

administration of the system is going to be easier with electronic record as well. however there is a problem with suvstance abuse and regional economic malaise among other things that do call for more of an intervention.

there is also the issue of slow pace of new business formation and lethargic business investment and payroll expansion. something that is not solely supply side driven. not really a situation that a basic income can fix overnight.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 29 2016 04:16 GMT
#74043
Cruz campaign imploding...?

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4908 Posts
April 29 2016 04:38 GMT
#74044
On April 29 2016 13:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Cruz campaign imploding...?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvRlvhhua4M


What's implode-y about this?
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-29 06:27:44
April 29 2016 06:27 GMT
#74045
On April 29 2016 06:20 xDaunt wrote:
I strongly suspect that many (if not most) democrats will be pleasantly surprised with a President Trump.

Well, I suspect he would meet my expectations of him.

Which are low.

On April 29 2016 13:38 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2016 13:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Cruz campaign imploding...?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvRlvhhua4M


What's implode-y about this?

I don't see it either.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
April 29 2016 07:56 GMT
#74046
The fat child's head looks like it's about to blast into orbit under its own power as he's screaming. But that sort of stuff is the norm, don't think anyone who would dream of voting for Cruz would be phased.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
April 29 2016 11:06 GMT
#74047
http://m.seattlepi.com/local/crime/article/Threatened-Rep-Jim-McDermott-armed-himself-7381914.php

why cant people see the corruption!!
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-29 11:18:41
April 29 2016 11:18 GMT
#74048
If anything Cruz being called Lucifer by Boehner probably improves his standing in the primary. Only thing better would be Clinton calling him Lucifer. No red-meat eating Republican likes Boehner anymore.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22095 Posts
April 29 2016 11:22 GMT
#74049
On April 29 2016 20:18 TheTenthDoc wrote:
If anything Cruz being called Lucifer by Boehner probably improves his standing in the primary. Only thing better would be Clinton calling him Lucifer. No red-meat eating Republican likes Boehner anymore.

The media was bored so they picked a story to run 24/7.

This 'leak' will not change a single percentage point in any poll.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14104 Posts
April 29 2016 12:51 GMT
#74050
Its just a nice send off showing how well cruz worked with the GOP these last few years. Boehner is a lot like obama, he never really had a chance to see what he could do with the reigns of power when he was being kneecapped by the reason he got to power in the first place.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15737 Posts
April 29 2016 13:48 GMT
#74051
Cruz isn't just going for the anti establishment Republicans anymore though. He's trying to be the entire anti trump force, which includes a lot of moderates that see Boehner as the victim of the tea party. Boehner saying Cruz is awful will not necessarily make these people vote for Trump, but it does keep them from voting for cruz, which is what is most important. Cruz only has a hope if he can get people somewhat moderates to cross over.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 29 2016 14:15 GMT
#74052
Which will never happen as Cruz burned those bridges years ago. Not to mention there isn't anything moderate about Cruz in the first place.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15737 Posts
April 29 2016 14:33 GMT
#74053
On April 29 2016 23:15 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Which will never happen as Cruz burned those bridges years ago. Not to mention there isn't anything moderate about Cruz in the first place.


Yeah. I don't think it'll happen entirely, but I do think it has happened some. I imagine there are plenty of anti-trump people who respect boehner. Those people may have considered a vote for Cruz to beat Trump. But then Boehner basically says Cruz is the worst human being he's ever met? How do you stay motivated to go vote for someone like that? I think Boehner's words will still be really helpful for Trump.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 29 2016 14:40 GMT
#74054
Trump has said a lot so far in the campaign along the lines of, "no one likes this Lyin Ted guy, he is a sack of shit that none of his fellow Congresspeople would support." I don't know to what extent it has been effective, but most people don't want to associate with somebody that no one likes (for good reason). That's about the most explicit anti-Cruz remark someone has managed to just straight-up say, and I don't think that that's going to win Cruz any favors. He can spin this into a "fuck da establishment" vote but I'm not really sure that most Republicans really want to burn everything to the ground to make way for Jesus.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15737 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-29 14:50:22
April 29 2016 14:49 GMT
#74055
On April 29 2016 23:40 LegalLord wrote:
Trump has said a lot so far in the campaign along the lines of, "no one likes this Lyin Ted guy, he is a sack of shit that none of his fellow Congresspeople would support." I don't know to what extent it has been effective, but most people don't want to associate with somebody that no one likes (for good reason). That's about the most explicit anti-Cruz remark someone has managed to just straight-up say, and I don't think that that's going to win Cruz any favors. He can spin this into a "fuck da establishment" vote but I'm not really sure that most Republicans really want to burn everything to the ground to make way for Jesus.


That's a key distinction. In one case, he is an unlikable, slimy shit head. I think a lot of people can tell he is at least slimy, so everything else falls into place. In the Donald Trump case, he is conspired against. I think that is key. People try to take down Trump. People just don't like Cruz as a person. People will rally behind someone who is being conspired against. They won't rally behind the shit head.
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
April 29 2016 15:19 GMT
#74056
And his anti-establishment cred is going down since the Lucifer-Kasich alliance just smacks of insider politics. If you were a Kasich supporter in a state he abandoned, would you really switch your vote to Lucifer?
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15737 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-29 15:50:29
April 29 2016 15:47 GMT
#74057


"I knew this was going to happen," Lujan added. "It was going to be a riot. He deserves what he gets."

Video footage showed some anti-Trump demonstrators hurling debris at a passing pickup truck. One group of protesters carried benches and blocked the entrance to the 55 Freeway along Newport Boulevard, with some tossing rocks at motorists near the on-ramp.


www.latimes.com

I wonder how many rocks Trump has tossed at motorists. What a joke. Types like these are an embarrassment to democrats. Republicans get rural rednecks, but our version of shit is just as bad.

I love the irony of these high school kids waving Mexican flags around. Yeah, which country are you in again? Why aren't you living in Mexico? What keeps you here?
Reaper9
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-29 15:54:47
April 29 2016 15:53 GMT
#74058
Both sides has their share of stupidity. Not really surprised, kids that go out to protest like this are usually immature and don't really think things out. You don't like a candidate, you don't go doing stupid shit like that. Although even considering their age, still idiots.
I post only when my brain works.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
April 29 2016 15:54 GMT
#74059
One thing that I have taken note of is the high number of women that I know (especially conservative ones) who don't like Cruz. The most common comment that I hear from them is that he is slimy.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 29 2016 15:56 GMT
#74060
I found that one highly effective technique for being a successful troll is to say provocative things, get people to react in a stupid way that is not good for their cause, and call them out for it in a way that is not good for their cause. It almost always works to undermine the position of the other side. It seems Trump took that idea and implemented it on a much grander scale.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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