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7859 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-02 05:01:42
February 02 2016 04:59 GMT
#56541
Four candidates have given victory speeches tonight, the media has fully covered three of them. (Hint, the fourth was Cruz) Yet, Cruz was the only one to unambiguously win the state, but is least likely of the three to become the nominee based on today's results.

Edit: On that note, it's time for bed. Good night folks.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 02 2016 05:03 GMT
#56542
On February 02 2016 13:59 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2016 13:48 xDaunt wrote:
On February 02 2016 13:46 ticklishmusic wrote:
On February 02 2016 13:42 Introvert wrote:
I'm still not sure why someone taking out a loan(s) is such a big deal. They weren't special.


it's more the cruz "i'm a regular guy" facade when he went to princeton, harvard, clerked for the supreme court and is married to a former MD at GS. oh, and they gross over a million a year, most of which they spend (the lifestyle).

like it's just a little ridiculous. i look like a complete pleb compared to him.

Congratulations. You just described damned near every national-level politician in the country.


You're being facetious and wrong dude. Ted + Heidi pulled in at least a million combined per year, and from the relatively low amount of assets they lived that million dollar lifestyle as well.

Obama was not pulling down a million a year before being elected to the senate, that is for sure.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 02 2016 05:06 GMT
#56543
On February 02 2016 14:03 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2016 13:59 ticklishmusic wrote:
On February 02 2016 13:48 xDaunt wrote:
On February 02 2016 13:46 ticklishmusic wrote:
On February 02 2016 13:42 Introvert wrote:
I'm still not sure why someone taking out a loan(s) is such a big deal. They weren't special.


it's more the cruz "i'm a regular guy" facade when he went to princeton, harvard, clerked for the supreme court and is married to a former MD at GS. oh, and they gross over a million a year, most of which they spend (the lifestyle).

like it's just a little ridiculous. i look like a complete pleb compared to him.

Congratulations. You just described damned near every national-level politician in the country.


You're being facetious and wrong dude. Ted + Heidi pulled in at least a million combined per year, and from the relatively low amount of assets they lived that million dollar lifestyle as well.

Obama was not pulling down a million a year before being elected to the senate, that is for sure.


lest we forget he was a community organizer with no experience
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23202 Posts
February 02 2016 05:07 GMT
#56544
You all ready for insane fundraising numbers for Sanders after this? 99.9% of his donors aren't maxed out 58% of Hillary's supporters are already maxed out.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
February 02 2016 05:09 GMT
#56545
Sanders has been polling alot better in NH too, I would almost favor him there next week after this showing tonight.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 02 2016 05:09 GMT
#56546
nitpicking: it's a little disingenuous for sanders to say they went from zero to 50%. it's the same as iCarly (i bet ya'll almost forgot about her, this is some good publicist she's getting ) saying she went from secretary to ceo. of course, i'll add that i prefer sanders by far to that banshee.
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4742 Posts
February 02 2016 05:10 GMT
#56547
Oh, he's going to be swimming in money no doubt. Well, some doubt. But not a lot.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
ampson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2355 Posts
February 02 2016 05:12 GMT
#56548
On February 02 2016 13:59 Ghanburighan wrote:
Four candidates have given victory speeches tonight, the media has fully covered three of them. (Hint, the fourth was Cruz) Yet, Cruz was the only one to unambiguously win the state, but is least likely of the three to become the nominee based on today's results.

Edit: On that note, it's time for bed. Good night folks.


That's because his speech was like half an hour long dude.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23202 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-02 05:21:36
February 02 2016 05:18 GMT
#56549
On February 02 2016 14:09 ticklishmusic wrote:
nitpicking: it's a little disingenuous for sanders to say they went from zero to 50%. it's the same as iCarly (i bet ya'll almost forgot about her, this is some good publicist she's getting ) saying she went from secretary to ceo. of course, i'll add that i prefer sanders by far to that banshee.


Well I guess he started at 3% which is usually what he says. 0% if you count the early polls that didn't even include him. I never bothered to learn Carly's story so I'm not sure how reasonable the comparison is.

hahahaha

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
February 02 2016 05:21 GMT
#56550
On February 02 2016 14:07 GreenHorizons wrote:
You all ready for insane fundraising numbers for Sanders after this? 99.9% of his donors aren't maxed out 58% of Hillary's supporters are already maxed out.


where'd you get the 58% clinton stat from? If true that could become a big deal the longer this goes on. Her burn rate is intense
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 02 2016 05:23 GMT
#56551
On February 02 2016 14:18 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2016 14:09 ticklishmusic wrote:
nitpicking: it's a little disingenuous for sanders to say they went from zero to 50%. it's the same as iCarly (i bet ya'll almost forgot about her, this is some good publicist she's getting ) saying she went from secretary to ceo. of course, i'll add that i prefer sanders by far to that banshee.


Well I guess he started at 3% which is usually what he says. 0% if you count the early polls that didn't even include him. I never bothered to learn Carly's story so I'm not sure how reasonable the comparison is.


i think in the case of politics where a "fair" start point is (like when he's got his campaign set up) is largely up to debate, though saying you went from nothing to ultra mega competitive, to me, seems like a feel good story a la carly. she worked as a secretary, yeah, but her dad was an AG and she went to stanford. it's like saying i started off as a random thought in my parents head and now i'm a functioning adult if you take it to extremes you know? anyways, it's my drunk practicality streak talking.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23202 Posts
February 02 2016 05:25 GMT
#56552
On February 02 2016 14:21 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2016 14:07 GreenHorizons wrote:
You all ready for insane fundraising numbers for Sanders after this? 99.9% of his donors aren't maxed out 58% of Hillary's supporters are already maxed out.


where'd you get the 58% clinton stat from? If true that could become a big deal the longer this goes on. Her burn rate is intense


http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-donors-218569

Correction on my part apparently 2% of Sanders money has come from maxed out donors and 58% of Clinton's are from maxed out donors,

The number of donors (under $200) can only be estimated unless released by the campaigns (who you would just have to take their word for it).
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-02 05:35:00
February 02 2016 05:33 GMT
#56553
i wouldnt consider that a concern honestly, hillary's got a superpac, a ton of big unions and other groups to campaign for her and she can find more people who can make 2.7K donations

up to 96% boys (and girls)
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23202 Posts
February 02 2016 05:38 GMT
#56554
On February 02 2016 14:33 ticklishmusic wrote:
i wouldnt consider that a concern honestly, hillary's got a superpac, a ton of big unions and other groups to campaign for her and she can find more people who can make 2.7K donations


Yeah... pretty sure that plays right into what Bernie says is wrong with establishment politics.

At least 3 coin flips for delegates all three went to Hillary which had they gone the other way would of had Bernie leading.

http://i.imgur.com/Q1Pxzaq.gifv

Record turnout for Republicans btw.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-02 05:43:49
February 02 2016 05:43 GMT
#56555
i chuckled a bit at the gif.

but re: people maxing out, do you really think they're all going to be people who want clinton to keep the status quo with regards to taxes and so forth? there are a lot of people who have been successful or born into money (either way they're rich) who want to make the US and the world a better place and see clinton as the vehicle to do so.

either way, great exercise in democracy tonight. hopefully this sets a precedent for future elections, though the caucus system is kind of a confusing shitshow.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 02 2016 05:47 GMT
#56556
On February 02 2016 14:38 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2016 14:33 ticklishmusic wrote:
i wouldnt consider that a concern honestly, hillary's got a superpac, a ton of big unions and other groups to campaign for her and she can find more people who can make 2.7K donations


Yeah... pretty sure that plays right into what Bernie says is wrong with establishment politics.

At least 3 coin flips for delegates all three went to Hillary which had they gone the other way would of had Bernie leading.

http://i.imgur.com/Q1Pxzaq.gifv

Record turnout for Republicans btw.


Lol. Yup
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/coin-flip-iowa-caucuses-044156528.html
Freeeeeeedom
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23202 Posts
February 02 2016 05:48 GMT
#56557
On February 02 2016 14:43 ticklishmusic wrote:
i chuckled a bit at the gif.

but re: people maxing out, do you really think they're all going to be people who want clinton to keep the status quo with regards to taxes and so forth? there are a lot of people who have been successful or born into money (either way they're rich) who want to make the US and the world a better place and see clinton as the vehicle to do so.


No, but for instance she left Iowa to go raise money at a private event for a multi billion dollar group with heavy investments in O&G and a paid Bon Jovi performance.

There's a reason she cancelled the following two similar fundraisers in NY (in addition to probably seeing she might lose Iowa, she had already pulled her NH team there.

Kind of exactly the opposite of how Bernie raises money and if she can't go to those she can't keep up.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-02 05:59:20
February 02 2016 05:55 GMT
#56558
On February 02 2016 14:48 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2016 14:43 ticklishmusic wrote:
i chuckled a bit at the gif.

but re: people maxing out, do you really think they're all going to be people who want clinton to keep the status quo with regards to taxes and so forth? there are a lot of people who have been successful or born into money (either way they're rich) who want to make the US and the world a better place and see clinton as the vehicle to do so.


No, but for instance she left Iowa to go raise money at a private event for a multi billion dollar group with heavy investments in O&G and a paid Bon Jovi performance.

There's a reason she cancelled the following two similar fundraisers in NY (in addition to probably seeing she might lose Iowa, she had already pulled her NH team there.

Kind of exactly the opposite of how Bernie raises money and if she can't go to those she can't keep up.


if you want to raise money from millionaires, you gotta cater to millionaires. bernie and hillary have different approaches to fundraising. sander's strategy is laudable and a cohesive part of his campaign theme and strategy, but i don't think it matters ultimately with regards to $$$ raised or ethics particularly.

also look at the flip side, a lot of bernie supporters (lets be real) hear these things and think "im gonna get a fuckload if he wins" like healthcare, college, tax cuts, etc. it's kind of the same as the clintons. yes there is a yuuuuuge (as trump would say) problem with income inequality (trump would not say this) but MY view (as you ofc know ) is that hillary has the better approach to addressing it. incremental change versus rewriting our social contract is the approach that i see happening.

what i really hope to see, above all else, from the next democratic admin is a public option for insurance. higher taxes on the top % of earners goes along with that, but further increases to pay for other social programs is second. (rambling a bit because a bottle of wine)
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23202 Posts
February 02 2016 06:00 GMT
#56559
On February 02 2016 14:55 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2016 14:48 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 02 2016 14:43 ticklishmusic wrote:
i chuckled a bit at the gif.

but re: people maxing out, do you really think they're all going to be people who want clinton to keep the status quo with regards to taxes and so forth? there are a lot of people who have been successful or born into money (either way they're rich) who want to make the US and the world a better place and see clinton as the vehicle to do so.


No, but for instance she left Iowa to go raise money at a private event for a multi billion dollar group with heavy investments in O&G and a paid Bon Jovi performance.

There's a reason she cancelled the following two similar fundraisers in NY (in addition to probably seeing she might lose Iowa, she had already pulled her NH team there.

Kind of exactly the opposite of how Bernie raises money and if she can't go to those she can't keep up.


if you want to raise money from millionaires, you gotta cater to millionaires. bernie and hillary have different approaches to fundraising. sander's strategy is laudable and a cohesive part of his campaign theme and strategy, but i don't think it matters ultimately with regards to $$$ raised or ethics particularly.

also look at the flip side, a lot of bernie supporters (lets be real) hear these things and think "im gonna get a fuckload if he wins" like healthcare, college, tax cuts, etc. it's kind of the same as the clintons. yes there is a yuuuuuge (as trump would say) problem with income inequality (trump would not say this) but MY view (as you ofc know ) is that hillary has the better approach to addressing it. incremental change versus rewriting our social contract is the approach that i see happening.

what i really hope to see, above all else, from the next democratic admin is a public option for insurance. higher taxes on the top % of earners goes along with that, but further increases to pay for other social programs is second. (rambling a bit because a bottle of wine)


I just find it hard to believe that she is going to take their money for her campaign and then work against their interests (re-redistributing the wealth they extracted over the last ~40 years).

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 02 2016 06:35 GMT
#56560
On February 02 2016 03:10 ticklishmusic wrote:
Alright, let's poll it up:

Democrats:
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: Democratic Caucus Winner

Bernie Sanders (23)
 
53%

Hillary Clinton (18)
 
42%

Martin O'Malley (2)
 
5%

43 total votes

Your vote: Democratic Caucus Winner

(Vote): Hillary Clinton
(Vote): Martin O'Malley
(Vote): Bernie Sanders





Republicans:
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: Republican Caucus Winner

Donald Trump (28)
 
80%

Ted Cruz (4)
 
11%

Marco Rubio (3)
 
9%

35 total votes

Your vote: Republican Caucus Winner

(Vote): Ted Cruz
(Vote): Marco Rubio
(Vote): Donald Trump





just to bump this up:

looks like we were wrong on the trump (who was unexpectedly stumped)

still dont know about hillary v bernie, i think hillary will win by 0.2- 0.5 in the end, but it doesnt matter really
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